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Geek Culture / problems with ATI radeo 9800 pro 128mb card

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greg loutsenko
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Posted: 21st Feb 2006 21:58
Hello

I am having problems with my fx card. few days ago when i was playing some video games like gta:san andreas and chaser, the graphics started tomess up and videos, specificly .mpg format, were being played with a large amount of noise. i thought it might have been something to do with the fan not working properly so i opened the case and carefully blew the dust of and wiped it with dry cloth but that didn't help.

just in case, i downloaded and installed the latest driver for the card, but did nothing, in fact it made the situation even worse, as now if i go into "dxdiag" and go to display tab, directdraw acceleration, direct3d acceleration, agp texture acceleration are all disabled and the enable buttons are greyed out, as if my card doesnt support it. although directdraw works fine. i tried to reinstall directx runtime 9.0c but that did nothing, i am not sure it installed correctly because i can't find it in the add/remove programs window. everytime i try to install directx it skips over the actual install and says that all components are ready for use. now everytime i try to run any video games they just crash comming up with error messages like render failed to start. i am pretty sure there is a problem with directx and or graphics cards settings.

can anyone help? please
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Posted: 22nd Feb 2006 03:17
I have the exact same card as you do. And i have NEVER seen anything quite like that. but i have read someone complaining about that happening to them, and they had to end up with buying a new card. That seriously sounds like you blew a chip or something

and when you "reinstalled" your drivers, did you just run the setup again, or did you uninstall it, then run the setup?


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Posted: 22nd Feb 2006 03:34
yes i used to have a 9600 on my old pc and it was find for around 6months then i started getting artifacting and the like eventually it would just be unusable for anything i believe it was the ram going duff or something and this is pretty common i believe with the 9600-9800 range, so im sticking with nvidia for now.

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Posted: 22nd Feb 2006 04:32
Quote: "and this is pretty common i believe with the 9600-9800 range"

I believe not.
I own both a 9600pro and 9800pro
i bought the 9800pro USED from JIMMY when he bought a new card, and i got my 9600 about 1 1/2 years ago, neither of them have ANY problems at ALL.
if this problem is common, i'm REALLY lucky then...


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Posted: 22nd Feb 2006 09:42 Edited at: 22nd Feb 2006 09:45
ATI do seem unreliable imo, but I think its the card makers economising on the heatsinks, I had the same problem with 9800pros twice, seems my original card had a WAY too small heatsink on it, exactly the same symptoms on the replacement too, the first died totaly, the one that finaly failed like yours originaly used to overheat within minutes of running any high end games and break up/artifact or cause a severe system crash that messed up windows, I kept that one going reliably for over a year after the initial problems by adding a huge aftermarket heatsink to it, the original heatsinks would get so hot you could almost burn your fingertips on it, thats what gave me the clue (no **** Sherlock! ), on the other hand I have had several Nvidia cards and no problems so far (touchwood), like Joel I can only make assumptions based on what happened to me, IMO Radeons at least, have undersized heatsinks fitted for some reason, Nvidia don`t overheat or wear out afaik, I still have a GeForce4mx running the multimedia system downstairs, thats OLD now, but it never gives any trouble, on the other hand Joel hasn`t had any problems with his cards...maybe the brand he bought use bigger heatsinks.



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Posted: 22nd Feb 2006 19:44
From what i remember, there are two different versions of the 9800pro card, one with a fan on it, and the other without... which do you have?

I have the one with a fan, and mines never given me any problems whatsoever. Make sure you dont have anything blocking the fan from dispersing the hot air from the card... At one point my computer would reboot because i had put a tv tuner card below my graphics card and the fan was pointed at the tv tuner card therefore bouncing the hot air back to my graphics card.


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Posted: 23rd Feb 2006 18:55
the card overheating is most likely your issue, or should i say was.. i think you've burnt out part of the chip, the radeon rance (at least the sapphire atlantis series) generally have insufficient cooling, a new graphics card is almost certainly in order, but check your warranty, if it's fairly new (under a year) you may be able to get a replacement.
i've screwed fans/added new heatsinks to all my radeons over the years and had little problems, but withought the extra help they cause stability issues when worked hard.

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Posted: 23rd Feb 2006 23:52 Edited at: 23rd Feb 2006 23:53
I have this with my 9250 pro though it was drivers dxdraw e.t.c still works tho

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Posted: 24th Feb 2006 05:27
i have a radeon 9250 that i got like a year ago and it runs sweet.

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Posted: 24th Feb 2006 06:46
I also had a problem with the exact same card. It would work fine for a while, but then just shut off during a game and distort the whole screen. The solution: Take it back to the computer store and ask for an NVIDIA card of the same price (GeForce 6600 GT). After working out the drivers, it now works great.
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Posted: 24th Feb 2006 10:47
arghhh i have a radion 9600 pro 256mb,

im worried now!

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Posted: 24th Feb 2006 12:48
I wouldn`t worry too much, not all people get problems with their cards, I think maybe ATI gave out the wrong heat disapation figures for the 9000 series or something, that would explain why so many of these cards had such puny heatsinks despite being top of the range, I still have the heatsinks off my old cards although they are smaller than the heatsinks on my current machines, someone might need a PC mending with a low end GFX card that needs a new sink, both ATI and Nvidia make good chipsets, remember it`s the CARD makers who put em together, it`s their fault, not ATI`s, if they fit an undersized heatsink.



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Posted: 24th Feb 2006 17:20
Quote: "arghhh i have a radion 9600 pro 256mb, "

me too, runs like a dream no worries.

but in all honesty, i agree, ATI cards don't seem reliable enough.
I'm going to stick with NVidia from here on out


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Posted: 24th Feb 2006 18:13
Nvidia i've never touched never will ati all the way

@re faze
Can you get rct3 soaked swimming pools feature to work on your 9250?

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Posted: 24th Feb 2006 18:26
what you have is an artifact problem, first of all, try cleaning the AGP slot its plugged into, and the bit of the graphics card that you stick into it.

in smartgart, turn off fast write, and turn on agp read and agp write.

this solved 99% of my problems i have with the same card as you, but tbh, i think my cards just coming to the end of its life, its been about 2.5 yrs now...

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Posted: 25th Feb 2006 23:11
@Teh Go0rfmeister
That work for the 9250pro?

Teh Go0rfmeister
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Posted: 25th Feb 2006 23:52
worked for my 9800 pro

Chris Franklin
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Posted: 26th Feb 2006 13:39
ok thanks i'll try it later on

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Posted: 27th Feb 2006 22:59
Sorry to bump this but i tryed what you said Teh Go0rfmeister and it says it's unsafe and resets the settings

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Posted: 28th Feb 2006 20:33
i used to have the 9800pro and found it to be unstabe when playing certain games. changed to a fx5500 and i have no problems now. think i'll dump radeon cards now.

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Posted: 1st Mar 2006 23:01 Edited at: 1st Mar 2006 23:03
i recommend reinstalling the card. then after reinstalling the card - reinstall all of your mobo drivers and maybe even update the bios. Rememmber to install the gfx card before the mobo.

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if not. in about 2-3 months i mite get a whoel new SLI system as a gift (woot!). I will have a 9600SE OC'd and an x850xt 256mb (AGP) for sale.

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Posted: 3rd Mar 2006 02:26
really nvidia has much better quality with their cards... i get much faster frame rates and less overheating because of a giant heat sink. o and here is a link to an awsome(and cheap)xfx card.
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1647240&Tab=0&NoMapp=0

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Posted: 3rd Mar 2006 02:35
For the same price you can get a x1600XT which blows that little thing away by far. The x1600 is faster, more pixel pipelines, and supports SM 3.0. So that card is crap compared to the ATi.

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