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Seppuku Arts
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Posted: 24th Feb 2006 21:30 Edited at: 24th Feb 2006 21:30
We were looking at a psychological prison experiment by Zimbardo is psychology, and was reading up on it for the essay question I have to answer over the weekend, and this experiment is freaking interesting, it was unethical, the guards became sadistic, and people we mistreated and to think all were volunteers,

Well click dudes

http://www.prisonexp.org/

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Posted: 24th Feb 2006 21:38 Edited at: 24th Feb 2006 21:41
We did this in Psychology (GCSE) also, I found it very interesting. The prisoners began to think they couldn't leave, which I find just horrible.. Like you say, completely unethical, but still rather cool to read up on

Are you taking Psychology for GCSE, A-Level or Degree?

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Posted: 24th Feb 2006 21:39 Edited at: 24th Feb 2006 21:44
there was a documentary about it 20 or 30 years ago, basicaly, the guards started off with dominance games and they gradualy got more demanding, seems to be built in to human nature, interesting when you look at it and the current Iraqi prisoner abuse, shows they should have expected such things to happen and allowed for it, just bad planning imo, people react to ensure maximum survival possibilitys in such roles, I don`t think it was unethical (they where volenteers after all), what was unethical is that after doing the research it never seems to have been taken further, ie they didn`t do more to find out how to minimise or mitigate those reactions, or if they did it does not seem to be put into practice.



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Posted: 24th Feb 2006 21:47 Edited at: 24th Feb 2006 21:57
We studied this too. The whole thing is just a wierd sham if you ask me - why would somebody barricade themselves inside a cell and refuse to come a mere day after signing an "agreement" to participate in this whole silly activity?

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Posted: 24th Feb 2006 21:47
oh, i did this for my psyc course too. I find it really weird how ppl would just change like that. I saw a video on Zimbardo and he said it was very indeed unethical about what he and his colleage did. Ended the experinment eariler too cus its getting out of hand. Quite interesting...and errie lol

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Posted: 24th Feb 2006 22:13 Edited at: 24th Feb 2006 22:16
Quote: "Are you taking Psychology for GCSE, A-Level or Degree?"

A level


Quote: "interesting when you look at it and the current Iraqi prisoner abuse"

Yeah, if you look further on, you'll notice that mentioned, so really it would be something to add into the arguement in the Value of this experiment in which I have to write about

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Posted: 25th Feb 2006 04:38
Very interesting experiment, I expected just to glance over it, but I was immersed in it and read it all for over 30 minutes.

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Posted: 25th Feb 2006 09:00
Quote: "Very interesting experiment, I expected just to glance over it, but I was immersed in it and read it all for over 30 minutes."

lol yeah, it is quite long, I mean the version in our books is only two pages, so I can see why my psychology teacher wanted us to visit the website instead

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Posted: 25th Feb 2006 13:56
Incredible.


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Posted: 26th Feb 2006 15:31
Well I've written the answer to the essay exam question, as it is practice and not for the exam, so its safe for me to post it.
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"Briefly outline findings from studies of Majority Influence (Conformity) and consider the value of such research." [18 Marks]

With Zimbardo et al's (1975) prison experiment they found various events of conformity. Within the first couple of days prisoners managed to form a rebellion against the guards. After stopping the problem some guards decided that should all step up their agression, which made the prisoners act more passive. Further on during the experiment a rumour of a planned prison break, where the guards prepared for a whole day against, but nothing happened which made the guards angry at the prisoners making them act agressively against them for it. Every guard at some point behaved abusively towards prisoners and some of which enjoyed it. Due to the conditions of the prisoners the experiment was abandoned after 6 days prior to the 2 weeks originally planned.

A question of validity of the experiment occurs, modern prsions do not share the conditions demonstrated and if they did then problems of human rights and laws would be put into action. And as Zimbardo did not have or know his independant variable, doesn't make this experiment very valid and devalues the use of the experiement. Although it does not demonstrate the conditions of common prisons, but this does simulate similar conditions found today in Iraq with US Soldiers, where many prisoners have been mistreated similar to that with the Zimbardo experiment where guards have found to be sadistic.
So this would make it valuable when comparing the effects of badly conditioned prisons, however with conformity it can be said that there is little value found because of the validity, and in comparison to this experiment, other studies such as those composed by Asch, which have demonstrated similar amounts of conformity but in less extreme conditions. Alternatively this does support the finding found by Asch but with more extreme conditions making ideas of conformity more generalised. Now that this experiment would be illegal (although it was unethical 30 years ago anyway) to replicate this experiment for further study, meaning we will make value of what we have been given by this experiment comparing to other studies.
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Posted: 26th Feb 2006 16:03
They redid this experiment a year or so ago on telly here in the UK.

The guards and prisoners formed a kind of communist society in the end.

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Posted: 26th Feb 2006 16:17
Quote: "They redid this experiment a year or so ago on telly here in the UK.

The guards and prisoners formed a kind of communist society in the end."

lol kewl, any links? It would be interesting to include into the exam

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