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FPSC Classic Models and Media / selling static models??

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matttess
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hi, how would i go about selling static models ive made would i need a site etc.....thanks in advance
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SpyDaniel
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Posted: 28th Feb 2006 15:49
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You can do it many ways. Here are a few.

Use Paypal
Use Turbo Squid

Then you can either make a web site, showing images, and prices, Or, just link straight to the payment link.
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Zeppelin 37BDF
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Hey matress. I could do you a favor by making you a website with screenshots and info. You can set up a paypal account and I can put a link to it. I can do this for free. Send me an email if your interested. My email is Tiger37BMX@adelphia.net
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Van B
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Posted: 28th Feb 2006 17:24
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You could just upload them here for free.

What is it with modellers and charging for every little thing? - frankly it's a bit tiresome, considering the generous users frequenting other areas of the forum.

Fair enough if they're commercial quality models, but if they're the usual stuff we see around here then consider doing a freebie first until you can judge what sort of pack would sell.


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KeithC
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Man, and I was just about ready to sell my box collection (textures not included)

Oh well.

Seriously though, matttess, post some shots of your work first.

-Keith



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Sinistar
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My test is "Would I buy it." If your answer is no then you have no business selling it. Plus it's cool to make free stuff too so people come looking at your costy stuff.
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Conjured Entertainment
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Posted: 1st Mar 2006 07:01 Edited at: 1st Mar 2006 07:06
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Let the buyer decide.
Just because some people might think it's not "commercial quality", it doesn't mean that everyone will.
Some people simply can not, or do not, create their own models.
They would rather buy them than take the time to do it themselves.


Quote: "What is it with modellers and charging for every little thing? "

Why should you give it away for FREE just because others give their work away?
Maybe they can afford to spend hours working for free, and that's great.
As for me, I need money to pay for things like food and my electric bill, etc.
I had too many complaints about the ones I offered for Free. (some people look a gift horse in the mouth)
However, the paying customers don't take my work for granted, mostly they appreciate it.



Quote: "how would i go about selling static models ive made would i need a site etc"


Higgins has the right idea.
PayPal & TurboSquid are an excellent way to start.
Yes, you will need a webpage, but there are plenty of free hosts out there, and HTML is easy.

Charge for your work if you want Mattress, regardless of your skill.
Time is money, and nobody should be expected to work for free.
If they don't want to pay it, then let them make the models themselves or search for the freebies.

Don't forget to visit Conjured Entertainment
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Van B
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Ahh, I see the problem.

Most of us using this forum are doing so because amateur game developing is our hobby, but some here are simply interested in making money. Maybe everyone should sell everything they do, that way nobody would have anything unless they had the money to pay for it, and to make the money you could just make lots of media to sell, this is an awesome vision of the future, makes me consider cryogenics. There's no way that people will be allowed to sell any old media here, if it goes that route then I'll try my best to get media sales banned completely here.

People who see a £40 game creation package as a money making oppertunity are not really what I'd call community beneficial - this is a community after all. People who make media for such a package as a full time job should seek career guidance.

Note that I'm likely to ban anyone trying to make money from crud, I'll be the quality control if people are gonna pimp their media here. Do what you like on your website, but expect some harsh comments if your unrealistic about the worth of your media. You say that people should pimp regardless of their skills, well that's a strange one coming from a 3D artist, most of whom see bad media for sale as a very bad thing, of course if that was just an excuse to disagree with me, knock yourself out.


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KeithC
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Wait a minute, VanB; are you saying that we can't advertise anything here without your approval? This may be a community, but some of us do have to make a living, and time is money. I agree that some people are trying to sell work that would take most of us a few minutes to produce (I've seen that quite a bit on Turbosquid, etc.). But there are others who have put in a great deal of time to make things for free, and for pay. Like I said before, it takes a long time to even learn how to make a proper model, etc.

It sounds like you're saying if you don't deem the media worthy, then you'll ban the person outright. If that's the case, then I should go elswhere. Because I, and others, have given quite a bit to this community, and asked nothing in return. If this community just wants to take, and not give of themselves once in awhile, then I'm in the wrong place.

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I found a stick of gum in my pocket anyone want to buy it (just kidding) let the creator decide if he wants to sell it and let the user either crusify his efforts or support them.

"I am ready to meet my Maker. Whether my Maker is prepared for the great ordeal of meeting me is another matter."
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Posted: 1st Mar 2006 14:32 Edited at: 1st Mar 2006 14:33
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Personally I am for freedom of choice in all things but again that would mean that anyone has the right not to allow something at a web site, establishment or from some other set up that they legitimately own.

Of course thats a decision for TGC to make and any forum memebr I guess can make a "reasonable" statement in support or not of something they have an opinion on - unless that would get banned here too. In which case one could try making the opinion known via direct contact with TGC one way or another.

As to quality vs cost issue that is without any doubt a judgement which is nothing more than an idividuals right to make - no one can justifyably or morally deny them that right. You cant prevent an individual judgement or opinion any way - maybe change it by persuassion yes.

But quite legitimately and effectively in this instance such individuals rights and opinions as to decision making as has been suggested can be stiffled and prevented from happening at this forum.

TGC are quite within their rights to control what they want at this forum and I am sure there are many instances when people of differeing kinds make appraoches to them regarding concerns of all kinds that they feel should not go on here.

I trust and hope that TGC in such circumstances take all views into account and make the right decision based upon common sense and not being influenced unduely by any one pesons or group of persons point of view however strongly put forth and use their own judgement exclusively in reaching any conclusion.

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Grim Reaper
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Hey Van b, chill out mate. If matttess thinks his models are good enough to sell, let him have a go, at the end of the day it is his customers (sorry, potential customers)that will dictate how much his models are worth. The rules of supply and demand still apply online as they do in any form of business. Don't get me wrong, i love free stuff as much as the next man, however if someone has the model i need for my game and i can't get it for free or build it myself, i WILL pay for it.

As far as i am concerned, i feel he has every right to promote his models to the community in any way he sees fit.

To Matttess, free models can attract people to look at your other products, so consider placing some (not all) of your models for free.

Finally just for the record, I'm not a modeller but, when i have mastered milkshape I will make some models and yes some of them will be released to the community for free.
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@Uman

That was deep man.

-NIK

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Van B
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So the problem we had not 3 months ago is forgotten already?

People buying media they aren't happy with, where do they do their bitching?

Where do they do their flaming?

Where do they spit the dummy and vow to never return?

Here, FFS It's simple. IF you want to sell media here, and it looks like crap, I'll come along and get rid of your post. Why? Because the important part of being a moderator is prevention. If I see a post that will no doubt result in a flame war, then I'll take whatever action I can to stop that happening. Same goes for when people try to charge for media that is not worth it - it leads to flame wars, and when money is involved, it's better to just deal with it brutally like I'm suggesting.

I think though that you guys are assuming I'm gonna come down hard on any below par work - listen, I'm no modeller, I know enough to get by but I wouldn't say I even enjoyed modelling. What I'm concearned about is total crap being sold here for the sake of making money, and anyone who tries to sell crap will be dealt with. By crap I mean real crap or illegal media, not original models that would be of use to people.

Frankly, the rule of thumb is that you should'nt charge for media until people start telling you that you can, or that they'd be prepared - let's see what matttess can do before we decide whether we'd be prepared to buy it.


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Sinistar
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It is very nice --nay extremely nice of TGC to allow not only commercial use of their product, but allow people to sell models and tools for their product and advertise on their forum and literally give away free advertising in their newsletter.

(mustering up best fake British accent) Good on you, mates! Hopefully what we're doing is attracting more attention to FPS Creator and making it more of a versitile tool for game creation.
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Posted: 1st Mar 2006 18:39 Edited at: 1st Mar 2006 18:41
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Quote: "you should'nt charge for media until people start telling you that you can"

@Van B- I have been told this before on many a forum due to giveing out free models, but I need one question answered. Being you are a mod maybe you can get some light shed on it. It concearns The "release" of the FPS skeleton. Please see the bottom of this post. Thanks.
http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&b=24&t=62338&p=1

JEEZ!You people just STFU! You waste more space complaining about people wasting space than the people your bashing! Man, I thought I had no life.
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Well, you're right there Sinistar. But it seems to me to work both ways. By advertising other people's media packs (free or pay) is it not working to TGC's benefit as well? The more media, the more viable FPSC is (due to versatility). As far as allowing commercial use of their product, I'd hardly call it nice; I'd call it business. How many sales do you think they would drum up if they restricted games made from FPSCreator to non-commercial?

I will say that it is nice of them to let us advertise here (as well as the newsletter), but it benefits them as well.

@VanB. I can see what you're saying, and I do remember what happened in the past; it gives myself and others a bad name. I have never heard of not charging until other people say it's "OK"; seems to me to be a bad business model. I think showing what you have available, and giving away some free stuff is the way to go. By giving away free things, people can see that your product works on their system; and they can see the actual quality (or lack of). As far as where people go to complain; I would start at the place of purchase (just like any other business). People can warn others away from some bad product, but that's how things work. I haven't seen anybody from TGC warn people about Accode's work, even when there is a thread running right now in the Chat threads about problems with his media, and lack of customer service. Stopping a "flame war, and judging people's work seem to be two different things. If by crap you mean 2 intersecting cube primitive's stuck into half a sphere, then called "The Sword in the Stone"; then I would have to agree with you. But I would hope other people would realize that as well. If you see good looking work, that obviously came from Psionic or somewhere else; then I absolutely agree with you.

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Well, as i think, there should be third-party commercial media packs, but with an fair price, and fairly high quality models, like characters, guns, etc. that is actually worth a few dollars, becouse it is really hard to make animated characters and guns with cheap 3d modeling software...


but static...

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The thing is that some people don't understand how much high quality models can go for. If you want an idea, check out some of the media vending sites. There are artists that charge per model and by the hour. A real fair price would mean most people here couldn't afford it. Animating the models increases the cost exponentially.

I've mentioned it before, but TGC could supply some guidelines (such as those supplied by Turbosquid with their "game-ready" stamp) as to what they will endorse (model packs, texture packs, script packs, etc.). This doesn't mean that people won't advertise their stuff. But for those that are wary about purchasing 3rd party stuff, a TGC "stamp" could help set their minds at ease. This would in no way obligate TGC to take care of the customer, should something go wrong. It just means that the media has gone through a process. There could be a sticky thread just for approved media.

I think that would help with sales of FPSCreator as well.

My 2 centavos.

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Sinistar
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Posted: 1st Mar 2006 22:53 Edited at: 1st Mar 2006 22:59
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Quote: "is it not working to TGC's benefit as well? "


Yeah totally. Everybody wins... as long as it's not illegal or unuseful. But I don't see that anyone would buy really crappy media anyway.
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Exactly...it's up to the buyer. But I agree with VanB's position on keeping an eye out for the "Carlito's" out there.

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@ KeithC. An approval stamp is a fantastic idea.

@VanB. When it comes to illegal media, I do agree with you 100%, ban them, throw the book at them or shoot them at dawn for all i care, but when it comes to crap (Crap meaning not to your standard) media, who are you to dictate alone if something is crap or not. Just because you don't like something it doesn't mean it's rubbish, it just means that you don't need, want or like it. To have media voted on by a group of people to decide if something is crap would be a better solution, hence we go back to the idea that KeithC mentioned earlier about approval stamps.

Now, to answer the question that matttess first asked.

@Matttess. A site of your own is the best way forward as it allows you to place lots of screenshots of your media that you are trying to sell. Paypal is a good way to sell products of any kind including digital media. Just make sure you do not try to sell copy written material of any kind, as VanB will be the least of your enemies. Start posting screenshots here if you want opinions on your work.
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hey thx for info but i might make them free but then i might make a site thx for offer but ill think it thru k ---thx anyways
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Anytime Matttess, i hope you have found the info helpful. If you want any help or advise on websites, email me.

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