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Scraggle
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Posted: 6th Mar 2006 12:01 Edited at: 6th Mar 2006 12:02
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When I lived in cyprus there was a tree just down the road from my house and each year it yielded both oranges and lemons. Each year I kept saying that I must get a picture of it and each year I never got round to it.
Well, I went back to Cyprus last week and made a concerted effort to take a picture of the tree and here it is:


As you can see it has both oranges and lemons on it. Whilst my Photoshop skills are certainly up to the task of faking the image, I can assure you that this is an unedited photograph.

It always got me wondering if it is a natural phenomenon and that oranges and lemons can grow on the same tree without any intervention or if it has been intentionaly altered in the same way that you can get mistletoe to grow on an apple tree, or maybe, it is infact two trees that started growing very close to each other and the trunks bonded to appear as one?

Any ideas?


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Posted: 6th Mar 2006 12:15 Edited at: 6th Mar 2006 12:22
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you can get stock grafted apple trees too, two different varieties on the same trunk, it`s a grafting trick, growers can hybridise oranges with lemons to grow larger oranges, they are that closely related, you can graft the two stems to grow off the same rootstock, thats why you can`t grow a decent fruiting apple tree from a pip, if you look at the base of a apple tree you can see the "kink" where the stem is grafted onto a different rootstock to make it more vigorous, most fruit trees are done this way, mixing on the same rootstock was popular a few years back as a novelty tree for the garden, normaly it was one green and one red apple stem, I suppose abroad where citrous can be grown outdoors they had oranges and lemons on the same rootstock (google fruit tree rootstock)




[EDIT] linky thing explaining apple rootstock, same for citrous fruits...http://www.gardening.cornell.edu/factsheets/ecogardening/appleroot.html

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Posted: 6th Mar 2006 12:26
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Googled and found this
Which establishes that it can be done intentionally but this tree is growing in the street, not in anyones garden so, I think it is unlikely (though not definate) that someone has done it intentionally. So, back to my question above ... can it happen naturally?


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Posted: 6th Mar 2006 12:33 Edited at: 6th Mar 2006 12:49
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I doubt it can happen naturaly, since it`s growing in the street I assume it was planted and someone has been looking after it (or it would have been crushed/broken down ages ago), maybe the person that planted it was the person who took care of it, or maybe it`s like the trees the councils plant in civic places and looked after by the council or whatever they have out there, like I say, I think you would have to graft the two together since they are geneticaly different, it looks about the right age for it to have been one of the late 70`s twinned trees (thats about when I recall first seeing them listed by growers), I just do a bit of gardening for a hobby and fresh fruit/veg so I`m no expert, but afaik it would have to be done by grafting, that can`t happen naturaly.



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My uncle had an apple tree where each apple was about the size of 2 grape fruits combined. They were insanely big.


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Posted: 6th Mar 2006 23:13
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The odd thing is that the picture looks faked. The oranges are really blurry, but the lemos are sharp.

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They can't be coming from the same tree.

Orange and Lemon trees are different species. It would literally be like a human giving birth to a monkey.

It must be 'faked' somehow in that they is actually two tree growing into each other. Trees do kind of asymilate each other if they grow around each other.

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Posted: 7th Mar 2006 00:09 Edited at: 7th Mar 2006 00:10
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I can assure you there is no photo-trickery.

Here's proof ... a different picture, which also allows you to see the trunk.



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The trunk looks a little odd.. I think maybe they were two seperate trees that grew into eachother perhaps.

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Hmmm.. Ok so the pictures seem pretty convincing. I guess I am just a sceptic, and it's getting near to April 1.

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its wholly possible for the two to grow together. that's man for you, trying to be god.

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Quote: "They can't be coming from the same tree.

Orange and Lemon trees are different species. It would literally be like a human giving birth to a monkey.

It must be 'faked' somehow in that they is actually two tree growing into each other. Trees do kind of asymilate each other if they grow around each other."

you sir, need to do a bit of research. Perfectly possible. and (obvoiusly) has been done


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thats so cool! i want one!

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My mom likes to garden, and we once ended up with a strange combo we called squmpkin (a mix a squash and pumpkin). It looked like an elongated pumpkin of a slightly duller color. Waste of a plant too. it tasted way to bitter to eat and the plant didn't quite grow in a way suitable for carving.

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Really cool to see how Goodgle-ads handles this thread...

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Have you tried the fruit? While I was in Tunisia one of my friends bought a piece of fruit that looked like a lemon, but was orange and tasted a bit like both. It was a hybrid. Anyway we had a big argument about what it was called so eventually I contacted a university professor and asked them. It was a lemonange aparrently.

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Can anyone say, Tomacco plant?


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Quote: "you sir, need to do a bit of research. Perfectly possible. and (obvoiusly) has been done"


How is it possible? I don't understand...

Surely the tree will have to put it's DNA into the seed in the fruit. How could it have both lemon and orange DNA in it's cells?

Also, surely a regular orange or lemon tree would grow from one of the fruit, therefore it hasn't really passed on it's DNA.

Not saying your lying but could you direct me to an explanation somewhere.

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lemonange eh?
its sounds pretty tasty, but havent seen any in New york.

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Well, I'm surprised that there are no other Orange/Lemon trees on Google.

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are there actually oranges and lemons growing off the branches? that would be cool maybe you should eat some .

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Two plants can grow into each other. I once saw a dandelion that had merged with a bluebell It looked strange but it was still alive
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It never actually occurred to me to try the fruit and see what it tastes like ... I just assumed that it would be oranges and lemons!


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Oh well in that case they are probably just lemons. You lemon.

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After much searching this is the best I can come up with. It does state that it can be done but doesn't say if it can happen naturally.

[Edit] Just found a better one ... here.
For anyone that can't be bothered to read it all, here is the bit that counts ...
Quote: "In fact, a single citrus tree, with a botanist's help, can produce oranges, lemons, limes, grapefruit, kumquats, and tangerines all at the same time. That's a lot of grafting!"



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Yeah it is possible with similar fruits.

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I saw a mini documentary about 25 years ago about a large old indoor tree (well lit by skylights) that bore about 6 different fruits, all the result of the grafting method described above. This is distinctly different that hybrids.

Speaking of which, enjoy your bananas while you can. By the time you are my age they as well as I will be gone. They are the type of hybrid that can't reproduce. The tiny black seeds you see inside are vestigal; they can't germinate. The hybridized species is so old that new diseases have come along and, being unable to reproduce, it cannot evolve an immunity.
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that's a perfect example of man trying to be god.

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Blond hair is also going to become a thing of the past. There's always bleech though.

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Quote: "Blond hair is also going to become a thing of the past. There's always bleech though.
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finally

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