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Geek Culture / Bill Gates in Doom game giving presentation on DX and Windows 95

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Oddmind
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Posted: 13th Mar 2006 22:05 Edited at: 13th Mar 2006 22:06
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=475134353431221995&q=bill+gates

laugh. I rofled, he needed to have cue cards or something. But this is a real presentation that was filmed obviously a few years ago.

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Posted: 13th Mar 2006 22:09 Edited at: 13th Mar 2006 22:13
"Windows 95 is the gaming platform..."

Yeah, my ass

The way he pronounces 'game' is very annoying too- and let's just say he's not quite ready for full-time acting. Don't give up the day job Bill....

Very funny vid

EDIT: Did you see this video?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1960403143809172490&q=bill+gates

Quote: "Let's think the unthinkable, let's do the undoable, let's prepare to grapple with the ineffable itself, and see if we may not eff it after all."
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Posted: 14th Mar 2006 00:08
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Posted: 14th Mar 2006 05:56
Quote: "EDIT: Did you see this video?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1960403143809172490&q=bill+gates"


Pretty sure that one's fake, doesn't even sound or look like him.

The first one is pretty funny though, especially when he shoots the demon on the screen, look at the way he's holding the shotgun - he's not even near the trigger!


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Posted: 14th Mar 2006 06:12
Quote: "Pretty sure that one's fake, doesn't even sound or look like him."


That is him--- I read his biography where he rocks back and forth like that when he's thinking or nervous. Some kind of strange thing he's done since he was little. I'm a bit of a Bill Gates nut, and I know for sure that is him hehehe. Plus that trial was filmed.

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Posted: 14th Mar 2006 07:26
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4927331920313641341&q=bill+gates

Funny.

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Posted: 14th Mar 2006 11:21 Edited at: 14th Mar 2006 11:55
the most amusing part of the original clip is that he`s stood inside a level from a DOS game saying that DirectX and Win95 are the way to go for games this realistic , actualy ID had to make a modified version of the DOS game DOOM (called DOOM95) especialy to run under windows, so Microsoft where actualy using what was realy a DOS game to promote the realism of DirectX and the infinite wonders of Win95



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Posted: 14th Mar 2006 11:28
Thats Microsoft for you

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Hmm... Windows 95... I'd say the most rushed out crappyest version of windows. Nothing that ran on that platform didn't run off of dos. Sometimes, with my config, it ran better in dos. And to sell windows, Bill Gates included a couple free games. Some FighterThing trial, Magic School Bus stuff... And... the Bumper Car Game! (Hooper?)

It was only after they stoped using 256 colors that DOS became obsolute. And it was only after the game companys started using DX stuff that DX was needed. And I don't think there are many 1995-1996 games that actually needed DX. Mabey around 1997-1998 it started playing a factor, but hey, coming out of the dos age, DX will do you no good.

Notice how who ever is playing sucks, and has cheat codes active (health never goes down, full armor).

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Posted: 14th Mar 2006 23:39 Edited at: 14th Mar 2006 23:41
Actually, to disagree with Merranvo once again () I believe Windows '95 was the single greatest technological leap in Windows' short history. Concepts that we all take for granted (i.e. having the desktop reside at the highest level rather than C: ) were all carefully fought about and put into the OS because it made logical sense for most users. Also that's the first Windows where you could do anything within the OS (play games, surf the net, do homework, etc.) without dropping into DOS. Sure there were native Win 3.1 games, but in large they sucked.

Windows ME was the worst version of Windows by far, and I still feel bad about installing it on my ex gf's computer oh so many years ago and having to troubleshoot it every other day.

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Am I the only one who was giddy when seeing screenshots of Win '95 Doom in game magazines? That was the day I knew that Windows was going to take over

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haha i never touched a windows 3.1 or DOS operated machine. From when i was 4 to about 8 or 9 i had a small black and white mac. It was one of the first version of the macs released. I remember this game called word muncher, thats about it. Then We got a windows computer for the music school because it was fater. It had windows 98. We had that piece of crap until maybe 2001 when we got ME and XP. My dad ran ME until 2 years ago when he got XP for the school compy. I remember those compys... those were the good days...

I was the kid in 2nd grade that didnt know what a start button was. Im a Mac'er at heart.

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Posted: 15th Mar 2006 00:21
Jeku, I was meaning compared to the hype put into it. It was like "OOHHHH IT IS A GUI" for a year... then it was "OOHH... it crashes". The concept, yeah, I like that part, but out of all the microsoft products, that returned the least. Windows 98 Came with increased stability and actual DX games, You then skip windows me and go to 2000 which introduced NT I think, plus greatly increased stability. Then NT, and now XP (NOW I upgrade my computer) which... loads faster (According to Microsoft Installer).

95 was just the GUI, without much to do with it... that is what I mean.

Anime Blood: Ohh yeah... that was comical! I remeber when I made like a 20min long thing with it cause I was bored. Sucks that you couldn't save.

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Posted: 15th Mar 2006 00:30
For the better part of my computer life, I've never had any extreme problems with windows, and consider it very stable. When I've had a problem, it's usually been with hardware. In other words, I may've thought it was windows, but in essence I was ignorant towards another part of the computer as a whole.

Just my two cents.

Anyway, it's a pretty corny video, but I know I would've been very impressed seeing that ten years ago.



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Posted: 15th Mar 2006 00:40
Quote: "I was meaning compared to the hype put into it. It was like "OOHHHH IT IS A GUI" for a year... then it was "OOHH... it crashes". The concept, yeah, I like that part, but out of all the microsoft products, that returned the least."


Windows 95 was unstable, but Windows 95B and in particular Windows 95C OSR2 were DAMN stable and ran just able everything just fine until Microsoft dropped DirectX support for it with 8.1 (8.0 still supported it).

In-fact 95c OSR2 was far more stable than Windows 98, 98SE, ME, NT4, and XP Home combined. What people seem to forget with Windows 95 when it was first released were Microsoft were trying to enhance the x86 Experience taking advantage of the new 32-bit Processors, while providing the back-compatibility with 16-bit Apps and 8/16-bit DOS programs.

There were bound to be teething problems which by and large were solved within a year of release. Well before it became something that "everyone" was using.

If you think that Windows 95 was just a GUI, then I'd suggest you go off and do some homework.
Many things you now take for granted in your OS, might not even exist if it wasn't for Windows 95.

I mean c'mon, they pushed Plug'n'Play ... while it wasn't grand on Windows 95, it's now become something we can't live without. If Microsoft hadn't pushed that feature in the first place, you could probably forget about anyone even feeling there was a need to update the traditional Serial (COM) Ports with a Port Type that can transfer data quickly while being able to attach and detach seemlessly without rebooting the computer.

Seriously man, USB is just one of the technologies that Microsoft have helped get in the home and stay there. The exact same can be said about CDs... Compact Discs had been around since the late 80s, but it wasn't until Windows 95 arrived with AutoRun that developers started to really use them for thier games and software.

While, sure.. we would probably get these things eventually. Microsoft have a way of pushing things that make our lives easier when it comes to computers and technology. Like them or not this is what they're good at.

And it all started with Windows 95 pushing the Multi-Media Revolution that today is taken for granted. Although you can joke about all the bad points of 95 like the BSOD (which believe it or not was originally in Windows 3.x) at the end of the day, it is a major part of the x86 and computer history, just like DOS was.

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Plug and Play? PLUG AND PLAY? I had to install the drivers for a JOYSTICK I bought. And installing windows 95 itself on the pavillian I had, you might as well give up. I ended up clearing it all with the backup CD that also came with my pavillian.

USB support? Support what? My Flash Drive? It only support 98/SE, a 64MB PNY Atache... And that is not a new FD, it is around 5 years old.
How about my external modem... what are you talking about Port number? it is a USB PORT!
It MIGHT have supported mouse or keyboard, but I never tried that.

I don't understand the AutoRun argument. I belived it was because CD-Rom drives were expensive at that time. Windows 95 MAY have just coincided with the public release of data CD-Rom Drives. But that was not the reason TO use them. Games just weren't that big, and possibly CD-Rom R tech was still a little too expensive. Possibly, WIN95 allowed idiots to own computers so then the consumer market was increased... But sure as hell, AutoRun had nothing to do with it. People were using DOS, you have to type in a series of commands to run your game.

I may have missed the 95c, you see, I didn't use teh internet at that time, and if there was a patch for that. I sure as hell didn't get it.


95 may have started it, but it was extreamly primitive. All I can give to 95 is the fact that it acted as a catalyst, not that the features it had worked. Just that they made a foundation. I will have to find an old 95 computer too... thinking back, I can't remeber a single USB port on my pavillian.

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Posted: 15th Mar 2006 01:29
Quote: "Windows 95 MAY have just coincided with the public release of data CD-Rom Drives."


Actually, CD-ROM drives were available way before that. In 1992 my family purchased a single-speed tray CD-ROM for $800.

And USB, as far as I remember, was available on Win '95B (or was it C?) and not A. And Plug and Play was introduced in Windows '95 like Raven said, but it didn't always work. Modems, as I remember, were the worst case offenders as jumpers had to be set for them to work most of the time.

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Quote: "Plug and Play? PLUG AND PLAY? I had to install the drivers for a JOYSTICK I bought. And installing windows 95 itself on the pavillian I had, you might as well give up. I ended up clearing it all with the backup CD that also came with my pavillian."


Was your Joystick a Plug'n'Play device though? The GamePort wasn't and STILL isn't a PnP Enabled Port.

Quote: "USB support? Support what? My Flash Drive? It only support 98/SE, a 64MB PNY Atache... And that is not a new FD, it is around 5 years old."


a) Windows 95 is now 11years old.

b) Windows 95b Provided USB 1.0 Support, which was only around until 1997. When USB 1.1 came out with the Pentium II, you required drivers to install it. Your USB drive is much younger than that; which is why it's 98/ME/2000/XP with no 95 drivers. By 2000 everyone had upgraded or bought a new PC that came with 98. What's the point in releasing drivers for an OS no one used?
Further more have you even TRIED it under Windows 95 using the USB 1.1 Drivers? It might not know what the hell it is, but it sure as hell would show us as a Removeable Drive.

c) Simple fact is by the time USB itself became popular enough, we were already using Windows 98/ME/2000. Yet the origins of that technology started with Windows 95 being able to automatically detect hardware. As I said, the first version wasn't amazing; but it was improved upon over the years and without 95 starting it... it's likely that it either wouldn't exist, or we'd still be using the fairly useless v1.0 which had a max speed of 1.5Mbit and had a habit of disconnecting devices all the time.

Quote: "I belived it was because CD-Rom drives were expensive at that time."


I got my 4x Creative (then Oak Technology) CD-ROM back in 1991 for around £45 (which would be the equivilant of getting one now for £80). For new technology that was amazing, but believe it or not the price of CD-Roms didn't start dropping to reasonable prices until around 1997; when they'd become a standard and everyone NEEDED one not just wanted one. Windows 95 introduced not just Auto-Detection, but also the ability to play Media CDs; Such-as VCD and Audio CD.

Quote: "People were using DOS, you have to type in a series of commands to run your game."


Less and Less people were using DOS... hell many of them didn't even know what it was because Windows 95 opened up a HUGE new market of people using computers. A market that is STILL expanding today.

Quote: "I may have missed the 95c, you see, I didn't use teh internet at that time, and if there was a patch for that. I sure as hell didn't get it."


It was only available as OEM when buying a new computer.

Quote: "95 may have started it, but it was extreamly primitive. All I can give to 95 is the fact that it acted as a catalyst, not that the features it had worked. Just that they made a foundation. I will have to find an old 95 computer too... thinking back, I can't remeber a single USB port on my pavillian."


Almost everything that 95 created for the 32-bit era, is still in use today. It's had over a decade of evolution, but it is still using exactly what Windows 95 created. I upgraded straight from 95c to Windows ME/2000 combo on the simple basis... 98 compared to 95c was an unstable pile of crap.

I've also never had anywhere close to the number of issues with ME as most people on here seem to. Perhaps it was because I always used the Windows ME/2000 WDM Drivers (which still work on XP which is kinda cool) instead of the 98/ME VxD ones

Quote: "I will have to find an old 95 computer too... thinking back, I can't remeber a single USB port on my pavillian."


Not every machine had USB. In-fact most people didn't know what it was until '97 when Pentium II's came with it as standard.

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Wait... Raven... you said you got a CD-Drive for 45 pounds? And jeku could only get it for $800? Wow... I didn't know TGC was that rich,


So, as I understand it, the original release of 95 was just a beginning, not really anything good. It was AFTER that that Microsoft added features that made windows what it is now? (Exculding 32 bit support, however I thought we were heading into 64 bit)

If you couldn't Plug Play Joysticks, what were you SUPPOSE to plugplay?

On the topic of plug and play, what about driver detection? I do have windows 98 installed on my Laptop here, and am Annoyied at trying to figure out how to get PCI drivers working... but several times I had to yell at 98 to install because even though the driver IS the 98 version, windows doesn't recongnise it as being the correct driver.

I have long lost the windows 95 cd (Which is what I installed on my second computer (XP default) mainly because having 128MB of ram is REALLY SLOW. It didn't work to well, mainly because of the drivers. I realise now that it probally ignored the fact that I was giving it the correct drivers and that I should have manually selected them.

But if 95 is designed to tell if something is compatable with default drivers, why can't it tell with the propper drivers?

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Posted: 15th Mar 2006 05:03
I think they should've spent the time to actually MOD doom and add bill gates into it

My brother and his friends once made "Mario Doom", change the armor picups to Mario Starts, change the health to 'shrooms, etc.

there was also Barney Doom, where someone changed all of one certain chars to Barney


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Posted: 15th Mar 2006 06:53
I used Windows 95+ for a very long time and didn't have any problems with it at all. Not sure where it came in the 95 timeline, but 95+ ran beautifully and I was so happy with it that I didn't see the need to ever upgrade to 98 - I ended up going straight to ME for what they claimed was easy networking (which was a bad choice, in the end).


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Quote: "I got my 4x Creative (then Oak Technology) CD-ROM back in 1991 for around £45"


Ummm, I have a hard time believing that hehehe. Believe me, I have a razor sharp memory for dates, and I remember being in Grade 6 in March '92 when my parents shelled out $4,000 for a 486DX/33 with 4MB RAM and a 1MB (WOW!) Video Card (Triton). Ahh, those were the days. The CD-ROM was a huge deal at $800 but my father believed that CD-ROM technology was the future. I remember back then our drive was called an M-CDROM hehe--- for multimedia.

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hmm.. Always thought you were older than me. Kinda weird you were in the same year as me

Well anyways, I'm not sure what it was like in Canada; but in 1991 we bought an A500+ 1MB for around £350 (which were always quite expensive), also got a 386-DX 25MHz w/Writek CoPro 8MB SIMM 1MB S3 think it was an 801; cause you could expand the memory on it. Could give it a huge $MB. Oh and it also had my SB16, released that year with special IDE slots so I could use a CD-ROM I still have that card comming to think about it. Was so damn pleased with that computer as it was the only one I knew that could run Doom full-screen.

I think that set dad back around £850.. I know it was something ridiculous like that. Remember him complaining to my mom the next week cause she wrote off the car and he had to buy a new one, which he could've done if he hasn't spent half the money on the new comp. ^_^

Go it's ridiculous to think how much car prices have gone up over the years. £7K to get a small hatch that would've cost around £2.5k 15years ago. Shamefully really, especially given I spend more than that on computer parts a year. lol

God knows what the exchange rate between our countries was back then. Almost shudder to think.

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You know your old when...

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