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Zotoaster
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Today was the rehersals for the battle of the bands next week. Problem is that I am in two bands, bu really I can handle it since I'm quiting one after the event, but the bigger problem was what happened today:

One band is called Fusion - Me (lead guitar), Darren (a drummer), and Jamie(anothe rlead guitarist), and we are all just an instrumental band, and have been playing together for a while.

What happened today was a disgrace, especially since everyone was watching. We started playing our first song, and Jamie and I were going just as usual, then Darren, being the big show-off that he is, started speeding-up, slowing-down, changing beats, sdoing stupid rubbish drum solos, and Jamie and I were just playing, we didn't know whether to follow Darren, or just continue as usual, so as you may have expected, we ended up wrecking it. Darren's excuse was "but it sounded cool" and no matter what *everyone* told him, he just says "HEY! I'M THE DRUMMER HEAR! OK? I CHOOSE THE BEATS, AND YOU CAN'T STOP ME!" (even though i can chuck him out)

Ok, next song, I just finished my solo, now it's Jamie's turn, aaaand guess what... "jamie! c'mon man! do you'rs solo!" - "Alasatir, you're a moron!", (really i can't blame him for that because it was quite a new song that we made, and he was a bit nervous infront of the crowd) - but still, we had to stop cos he wouldn't do the solo...


Next band, Colourblind - Me(lead guitar), Sandy(rhythm guitar), darren(only filling in for another person who was ill), and Roddy(singer)

We were playing the good old sweet child o' mine, and it all went well till *just* before the solo, where roddy walked over to darren (while he was ment to be singing), and was asking him to do something *after* the solo. And ofcourse, we mucked it all up because of that, and what's bugging me is why didn't he do it during the solo when he didn't have to sing?!

What's even more annoying about roddy is that he wanted to me to learn sweet child of mine, and in return I wanted him to learn sympathy for the devil (which isn't half as hard, and pressuming he's the best singer I know I knew he could do it), but when I asked him we had two weeks to go, but he refused to do it, because he thought it was too hard... how can you do sweet child and not sympathy for the devil?!?!?! When I beg him to do it he just starts complaining like a pvssy that I'm forcing him too much!


All I wanted was to play a good gig, and with all of us really experienced musicians, we were the worst there, all because of some people's stupid thinking! I don't even know what to do!

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Posted: 22nd Mar 2006 19:53
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i wpuld be Pi^^ed off to.

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Posted: 22nd Mar 2006 20:07
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that sucks, join anuther band...

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Zotoaster
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Posted: 22nd Mar 2006 20:09
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that's my problem, they're the best musicians I can find, but they're all idiots, and to think that in the whole of the biggest city in scotland you can't even find a base player...

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Posted: 22nd Mar 2006 20:25
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threaten to fire em give them a talk about it yell at them take charge do something.

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Posted: 22nd Mar 2006 20:26
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Ouch That sucks!


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Posted: 22nd Mar 2006 20:27
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I am, I'm sticking with Jamie, after the battle of the bands I'm throughing Darren out, and try and get Roddy to sing (as long as he co-operates), then all we need is a basist and a drummer, and I know a guy who plays drums quite well, and he's not an arrogant b*stard either...

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Posted: 22nd Mar 2006 20:29
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wow that was wierd all 3 of us posted a minte apart.

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You should hold their families hostage, shoot videos of them being tortured, and tell the band members to shape up or you will chop down their family trees.

(I've been watching too much "Sopranos")

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Posted: 22nd Mar 2006 20:51
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might work though...

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Posted: 22nd Mar 2006 22:48
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Sounds like a job for Mr Rehersal and probably a little intervention from Miss Maturity.

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Saikoro
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Posted: 22nd Mar 2006 23:20
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Why not kick out the sucky people from both bands and merge what you have left? It seems from what you've told that they're both cover bands anyway, so style shouldn't be too much of a conflict. How many practices do you guys have a week? I wouldn't even play a show unless you knew the band was tight, because going up on stage for a big battle of the bands and blowing both doesn't look good AT ALL for potential show goers and other musicians you might want to hook up with. Think of being in a band more professionally, and you'll more than likely hit it off a lot better than getting a bunch of big-headed, inexperienced mates.

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Posted: 23rd Mar 2006 01:50 Edited at: 23rd Mar 2006 01:51
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Zotoaster,

Quote: "that's my problem, they're the best musicians I can find"


While I hear what your saying, and probably every performer has been through something similar. The reality is, you can rarely throw a bunch of 'good / great' players together and get a band that works. Often they simply melt down as fast as they started.

Because, as you say, there are just too many idiots, personality clashes and way too many garage super stars.

A band is more about chemistry than anything. You don't have to be a flashy player to have a great feel for music. If your unhappy, get out there and find some guys/girls that might not be as flashy, but are able to really groove. The most important issue, is to pick songs that band plays well, not that you think are impressive to play. (huge mistake!) As I can virtually guarantee you, that 95% the punters in your average pub gig, couldn't tell the difference between something that's difficult or easy lick.


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Posted: 23rd Mar 2006 02:38
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I have to second what Kevin stated about playing something you know rather than something that is flashy. You don't have to know anything about music to know that a band that sounds tight on a song is MUCH more pleasing to listen to than a band who screws things up, and playing a song you know will be better to impress. Save the heavyness for later. In one of the bands I am in, we worked through 4 covers before we really got into our own music, and we have no plans to perform those covers. But they were songs we knew, and weren't difficult to perform, but still forced us to play tighter. We still practice those songs, and we always try to get tighter. Theres nothing better than a tight sounding band.

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Posted: 23rd Mar 2006 02:53
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I know! You can just say "Hey, dont worry about what happened, you guys can all have band practice at my house, just bring your instruments over!" Then tell each indivisual to come over at different times and hold there instruments hostage. Tell them that if they dont shape up, they will pay.

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Posted: 23rd Mar 2006 19:26 Edited at: 23rd Mar 2006 20:46
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Kevin:

Somegood points you've made there, and I could try that out, I'm just worried about ending up with the wrong people again, the people who take music seriously are the people I ended up with, the ones that don't like to sit and learn a few power chords from a sum41 song or some crappy band, and walk around pretending they're good - I know, because that's what I used to be ike, but I'll keep searching anyway


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Aaahh, good news, neither Darren or Jamie can have band practice till the day before the event!

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Quote: "then Darren, being the big show-off that he is, started speeding-up, slowing-down, changing beats, sdoing stupid rubbish drum solos"


Hey! I'm a drummer and I'm in a band - I like to do complicated fills and show off! Maybe it's just our nature. It doesn't really matter for us though because our songs have places for guitar, drum and bass solos and we're a melodic death metal band in the vein of Arch Enemy and Dark Tranquillity so we need to be impressive!

Anyways, just talk to your drummer and tell him to keep a decent song structure, add fills that work with your song and style of music, and let him solo every now and again.

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Get rid of Darren. A drummer who does stuff like that in front of a crowd is aiming to mess everybody else up and make himself look good in the process.


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Simply put, Darren isn't good enough to do the fills or drum solos My drummer can stick those in just fine and it sounds great.

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buy a drum machine, then say to him "we don`t actualy NEED you, do we?" , he might be good after that .



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OH MY GOD!!

First Roddy says "Ok, if you learn Sweet Child i'll learn Sympathy for the Devil"

I learned sweet Child and he didn't learn it, so he says "ok sorry, if you learn Jailhouse Rock I promise I'll learn it" (this was last week)

I didn't know if I should trust him but we did need more songs to play, and then he told me he learned it the other day... and now, the day before the battle of the bands, "I didn't have time to learn it..." - I feel like kicking him right between the legs!!!! Tomorrow, things go my way! Not his, mine!

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You shoulda said that a long time ago...

Or dropped him. Battles of the bands are rigged anyway.

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Quote: "then Darren, being the big show-off that he is, started speeding-up, slowing-down, changing beats, sdoing stupid rubbish drum solos"

what a lousy drummer (yes i can say that since i'm in the process of becoming one myself)

doing fills and solos and changing beats is fine... but he should have planned that with ya'll before you got up on stage...

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Ugh the drummer needs to get his act together. he probably is changing tempos because he cant stick with one, which means he needs to play with a metronome. Unneccisary drum solos? Sounds like immaturity and bad musicianship mixing together added to the fact the the sh!t masically hit the fan in the middle of your gig... If the people arent going to take it seriously kick em out.

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Ooooh noooo!! Ohhhhh!!

I can't believe it! First song I play, mu guitar goes out of tune and my FX pedal f*cked up!! Made all these screetchy sounds!! I can't believe it! Why me??!

Second time I played it was fine, but we were only allowed three songs, and Jamie and darren decided on master of puppets, unforgiven and another song which was written by us... and Jamie funnily enough got all the solos!!! ARGH! Now everyone thinks I'm the worst guitarist there!! I am soo annoyed now!

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Lol. Better luck next time.

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Hahahahaa! Your friend that had stage fright suddenly put on a Kirk Hammet face and played both of the solos in master of puppetts? I think theres a bit more you need to tell us here. I know few people who can use the octave tapping technique with that prescision. both the songs are pretty light on the drummer though. Please give me a recording im dying to hear this.

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lol unlucky better luck sometime else

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Listen to Kevin.
Rock music is NOT about to show off what each of the group members are able to do all the time, unless you want to end up like Dream Theatre, for example, with an audience full of musicians.
Go find a bunch of people who are willing to contribute to the band and the end result. It's a question of team play after all.


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Well, yeah but I do want an audience full of musicians lol, but in the mean time I guess I'll just have to make do with what I can do... I'm going to start a band, so far it's just me and Jamie, we're going to find a drummer and a basist, and we both agree that alot of our songs will be instrumental, but we're going to teach ourselfs to sing, not maybe as good as Roddy, but good enough, and we'll do much better next year

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