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Matt Rock
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The next installment of the BF series has been announced... Battlefield 2142. It has mechwarrior-type robots in it... after being a hardcore, avid BF fan for a number of years, I'm going to have to stop buying their new stuff. I buy BF games because they DON'T take place in the future


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It doesn't look that bad... and I don't blame them for going this route, after being pwned out of the WWII industry by CoD2

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Everyone who's tired of past war recreation games, please raise your hand.

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*Raises two hands and feet*


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A multiplayer FPS style mech game might be pretty good, personally I always preferred 1942 to Vietnam and BF2, that's more about what you can do in it though - like control massive aircraft carriers. I always thought 1942's balance was excellent, had a decent single player mission set, and never needed the tweaks and fkups that they introduced in Vietnam.


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I'm really excited by the annoucment of 2142 - it'll allow DICE some room to be more creative, at the moment they're stuck with reality (which can be pretty rubbish sometimes).

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It'll be good if there are some innovative weapons, but will be rather boring if you get the same standard plasma/pulse rifle, rail guns etc etc

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The preview in my friend's pc gamer made me wet my pants in excitement

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I'm going to be happy with whatever to be honest. Just aslong as I don't have to fight World War 2 again. : /

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This sounds like a fun idea--- haven't played any of the BF games because I hate WWI + II games. I'll definitely pick this one up when it comes out


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I dunno, I'm mostly just mad because the BF series has always been based in reality-situations, with real weaponry and whatnot. There's a zillion things they could have done that would have been far more inventive (and invigorating) than making a futuristic game with a bunch of mechs. I'm probably alone in this, but I would have loved to play something like Battlefield Civil War or Battlefield Troy or something (shy of the obvious lack of vehicular options).

I agree Van, BF42 was the best so far. BF Vietnam and BF2 are resource hogs and I firmly believe that gamers shouldn't need a 3 GHz machine, a 256 MB vid card, and 2 gigs of ram just to play a game. Not everyone is that fortunate... probably not many of us on these forums, but I have friends who can't play BF2 at all. And BF42 had one of the greatest designs in FPS history. Yes, it was a world war 2 game, but I didn't mind because it was so outrageously inventive.. My only problems with BF42:

* Standing still on a moving ship... people don't slide around in real life

* As an american, if you're fighting germans you ALWAYS use a Springfield (or whatever that bolt-action rifle is) and if you're fighting the japanese soldiers you always have a Garand... I'm pretty sure US soldiers who landed on D-Day had garands, too, IRL.

* Subs can only carry one person. Subs would otherwise be great for sea rescues (as long as you're closeby), but to do that you'd need to break away from being submerged which puts you in obvious danger. Plus, subs should have had 50-cals on the decks. The multi-positions in a sub would alleviate the issue of sub-spawning... at the start of a new game, everyone heads for the sub, but only one person gets it, usually leaving the others swimming/ drowning at the sub-driver's mercy.

Edit: What WWI games are there?


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If they don't stop making games of wwii, at least do a different war.

Also, real weapons and actual battles doesn't make a game any more realistic. In reality, if your not down by the first shot you most certainly will be by the second, if not third.

In reality, you, a single man, can not kill over 200 enemys. I don't care if your in an elite group. One of you will be shot by the end (expecally since stealth is not part of the game engine).

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Oh yes, I can see it now. Revolutionary War 1776. In which the only weapons are muskets, bayonets, cannons, a shovel and a fork. As the Americans you stand in the bushes and fire, take the next 5 to reload, then fire again (with EXTREME non-accurate shots), and as the British, you stand in a row, wait for the few guys in front of you to fire and run to the back of the line, then take your turn. Sounds almost too daring.

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Oh, the revolution would be telivised That game would ROCK. I've always thought about making a civil war game, but I've been turned off from the idea repeatedly by those re-enactment people... realizing who my target audience would be made me not want to make the game


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I think that Battlefield 2142 will be cool. Both Battlefield 1942 and Battlefield 2 were great games, and as long as 2142 is fun, I'll get it.

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Quote: "as long as its is fun, I'll get it."

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Actually, I think a revolutionary war game would be cool, but not for big epic battles, more for stealthy spying missions, and stuff. Dunno, probably would get really old fast, but it would be interesting.

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I wanna kill brits with pitchforks!

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And I wanna kill yanks with intelligence...

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the south will rise again!





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No it won't!


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BF2142? Are developers tired of WWII games and are switching to WWIII games?
I guess we'll just have to wait and see how this one turns out. I didn't get much from BF2 when I rented it; it just wasn't my cup of coffee.

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BF2 was a bit too much for me. Good game, but I prefered the simplicity of BF1942 and Vietnam. Those two always got the most play when mates brought their compos round. Having said that, in Vietnam, the enemy did have a tendancy to be able to see through the bushes and trees (AI opponents) which always gets on my tits.

I'd be well up for a futuristic battlefield. I agree that, although WW2 is an awesome arena for combat, it has been done to death. It's a perfect balance between skill based weaponary (i.e. you have to aim your bombs and bullets - no homing stuff etc.) and we can related to it, because it's real. BUT ... it's boring now. A futuristic battlefield would rock.

Looking forward to this, but I really hope they make the AI easier to play with on LAN, unlike BF2 (which required some annoying singleplayer tweaking joining rubbish).

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The BF AI has always been ropey - that needs a lot of work, I tended to mostly play co-op with my brothers against high-difficulty bots, could never get online with all of us at once.

There's an awesome AI feature from Killzone posted in the Game Design forum, very interesting read, and it's hard to see how it's so bad with BF1942.


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BF2 AI was ok. BF1 AI would be remedied by outnumbering yourself 6:1 or 8:1 if you were particularly suicidal. Last weekend I had a few mates round and we played as Axis, 8:1 out-numbered with Ticket ratio up to 500%. We'd come out of the game with 200-400 kills each. Insane, but fun! They swarm you like a plague, and you just have to madly throw grenades, run for tanks etc.

On one of the maps (can't remember what it is, but the axis are attacking a thin u-shaped island with about 5 control points on it), my two mates were valiently holding off a flag with 6 AI on there side and 55 or so AI charging in at them. I was circling about in my plane doing straffing runs. Cos the AI are a bit dense, they'd be charging down in a pack of about 10-20 down this thin island, launching rockets and stuff. One of my mates was holding them back with a tank, sending 10 or so bodies into the air at once. The other was hiding behind a hill running out and placing mines and C4 charges and I was swooping in and mowing down entire lines of them, circling around, doing it again, getting shot down, parachuting back to another plane, taking off and repeating. We couldnt move forwards cos there were too many, but damn, we killed a lot of americans that day.

That's the cool thing about BF1942. Gritty kinda hands-on weapons meaning you gotta get up-close and personal.

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Quote: "The BF AI has always been ropey - that needs a lot of work, I tended to mostly play co-op with my brothers against high-difficulty bots, could never get online with all of us at once."


What?!? Aren't your AI teammates supposed to shoot endless rounds of ammo into walls? Aren't your enemies supposed to stare at you for 20-40 seconds without realizing they should be shooting?

Yeah, that was sarcasm hehe

BF42 is more cartoony than the other WWII games (that's a sigh of relief when most of the games you play are like Rainbow 6 or AA, as I usually do), and the online play is far more fun (better maps and the use of vehicles) than most... I think that's why it's still my favorite WWII game (the only one I play, really). After a few rounds of CTF at El Alemain or a few conquest rounds on Bocage, or Lib Caan, or wake, or my all-time fave Gazala (only fun when you have 32+, in my opinion), my day feels complete

Speaking of AA, I might make a TGC server for America's Army... that is, if I can find enough of us who'd use it, hehe. I'm on an AA kick as of late


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The South will RISE... we RedNecks stick together. :p

more so, World War III in a few short sentences.

Get you dirty men OUT OF MY COUNTRY.
No.
I have pulled out the red button
I have my out as well...
Should we draw straws?
Too late... I launched 5 min ago.

BOOM, BANG, Big Nuclear Explosion.

I can't believe you launched a nuke at us,
You were gonna launch a nuke at me!
Well, I have ALL my nukes armed now.
So do I,
Should we draw straws? Or too late, I launched anyways,
So did I
So what, we are just gonna hit each other
No, your nukes will take longer, and I am already on my way out.

What? President looks deep in thought... a few min later, says "Oh yeah, the earth SPINS tword us."
Really big explosion. Everyone dies.

End of WWIII

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Quote: "Speaking of AA, I might make a TGC server for America's Army... that is, if I can find enough of us who'd use it, hehe. I'm on an AA kick as of late"
that game is awesome, i havent played it for a while because last time i got some nasty viruses through it....

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No, world war III will be something like this:

United States: We're out of oil
Middle East: Oh well, that's now our problem
US: Give us oil or we'll blow the #$@!$ out of you, and in a bad way!
ME: What! Forget that! We'll suicide bomb your transit!
US: Let's annex canada!

BOOOOOOM!!!!!


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I heard that halo 3 is coming out Too bad the older ones were not rated teen, because I dont like all that blood and gore

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Fallout: I think you are talking about the Battle of Midway.

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Halo has one very good thing. Explination why you don't die on the first shot. And, is designed around an assult game. Games like Half Life, where you can lose health fast, but don't regen, are better off played defensivly, without pressing forward very hard (meaning don't run though a crowd of enemys).

I don't know WHY anyone would complain about halo being "gory" hell, have you even playied the game? Go play HL1 and chop up some scientists, that is gory. Unfortunatly, it would appear that HL2 doesn't have gibs, or atleast I screwed something up to make it like that.


Back to WWIII

Please stop believing that everyone follows that curropt version of islam.
And don't believe that we will fight over OIL, no, oil is a dead end and we all know it, besides, we have a lot of it stored. No, what we will fight over is... the presidents daughter... Helen of Bush.

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I always figured WWIII would be about which country gets the rights to me yeah I know, I'm cool

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@ OnePost: I'd hate to break it to you, but the world's oil reserves are going to run out within 25-35 years, and if we don't start implementing fuel source alternatives internationally by then, then you can bet your sweet hiney that the world will be tossed into an international war with every government on the globe bidding on (and killing for) the last few gallons of the sweet sauce. We need to discover an environmentally-safe fuel source that won't run out and can produce the same amount of energy (or more) in an equally efficient (or more efficient) way without having to build entirely new engines for every vehicle on the earth, and we only have a few decades to do it in. We should have been trying to find an alternative to oil back in the 1970's, and if we did that (like Brazil did) then we'd have one by now and it'd be internationally applicable. Will we do that now, with a bunch of oil executives running our country? Not a chance. But maybe after the next US election we'll find some leaders who aren't so tied into the oil industry. This is a very serious problem which, unfortunately, most people don't realize and/ or don't take very seriously. But yes, I can say without question and without contest that if we ran out of oil tomorrow and there was only a small amount (under 10,000 gallons) left, the world would be thrown into World War 3. And shy of the United States invading more middle eastern nations, I'd be hard-pressed to think of a different reason why we'd end up in another global war... it would be something that none of us could predict, I'd bet.


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I agree with that actually... like a high-speed monorail to connect major cities.


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I don't really know where you're getting your facts from, but the general idea of what you're saying is entirely possible. However, I doubt people would willingly and openly support a blatant war for oil. This war has got the president down to a low enough approval rating as it is already, what if his predecessor were to say "alright guys, we need oil, lets send in the boys"? It's not going to happen because thats political suicide on any countries terms. Also, there are alternatives to fossil fuels and propulsion which are luckily being implemented more and more often. At the rate that R&D flies with stuff like this, electricity would be the main power source before the fuel wells ran dry. So at least theres that bit of hope for us perhaps next time no electo dumbo prezo and everything will run smoother.

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I don't think the Iraq war was/is about oil as much as it was/is about revenge. But yeah, I'd put money on it that when we run out of oil, the world will go to war over the last supply of it, because each government will think they deserve it more than each other government. Old alliances will be tested, then broken, and a war will break out. even our bordering countries (mexico and canada) might take up arms against us, because why would we trade our final oil reserves to them?

I got those statistics from a paper I read about America's dependence on oil a few years ago, and I heard them again during the talk about Bush's State of the Union address where he "declared" that america was "addicted" to oil, so I assumed they were pretty factual numbers since they came from a college paper and several different news organizations (BBC, CNN, MSNBC, and I think the Daily Show said it, too). But who knows, maybe we all read it from that college paper and the paper was wrong, hehe. But the opinions vary... for instance, the BBC said 25 years, while MSNBC said 35 years, and the college paper said it was more like 20-40 years and we wouldn't be able to narrow it any closer than that. Anyway, point is there's an oil crisis in this (and every other) country and our leaders aren't doing much of anything to stave off the incoming disaster.


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Yah, the Daily Show is well-known for its factual information


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lol I love the daily show. They usually do report real news, they just make it funny and steal their statistics from other news sources. It's still a good show, though, and they shadowed what others said which makes them just as correct as the other shows, hehe. Factual statistic from NPD: something like 7 out of 10 people under the age of 25 who receive Comedy Central get their news from the Daily Show before getting it elsewhere. I saw that on MSNBC a year or two ago... very, very scary statistic. Or maybe it was just New Yorkers? I dunno, in either case, it's scary, hehe.


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Matt Rock, I hate to break it to you, but no one gives a ^ about oil. And when push comes to shove, we will realize that we have a thousand different ways to make a car move. And no, I am NOT talking about the "Hydrogen Economy"... think for 5 min and I bet you could list at least 10.

The thing is, yes, there have been a few accurate "oil" statistics, but how many UN ACCURATE ones have there been? Can you comfirm everyrthing they said in their study? Can you reverse their data?

Sometime, actually look at these studies they publish, read what they write... well, a cleaned up version that doesn't cut out too much info (expecally the graphs).

If you read and analise what is said, you will see the descripancys, you can even use their data against them if it is flimsy enough. Those who know what they are doing, and form their entire outcome on STRONG FIRM DATA will stay. And even then don't fully beleive then unless you have some information on the subject. Look up what they wrote, sometimes people missquote others to get what they want, or their information listed may be incised and you only have a small morsal of the whole concept.

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Posted: 5th Apr 2006 23:07
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Battlfield 2142 sounds neat to me.

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Yeah, Battlefield 2142 would be a nice spin on those WWII FPS games. As long as its not too UT, then it should play fine.

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