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Eric T
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Posted: 26th Mar 2006 09:30
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It would be funny if they seriously thought it was cool like a Spinal Tap type thing.

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Posted: 26th Mar 2006 10:40
dumb video, even worse song. sounds too generic


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Posted: 26th Mar 2006 11:30
Have you seen any of Steve Vai's videos? Now that man has some variety in his music, to say the least. Google Video has a couple of his songs, very different in sound and video.

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Posted: 26th Mar 2006 12:00 Edited at: 26th Mar 2006 12:10
No, *this* is the coolest music video ever:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SMhhWh0eXA

This one is a clear second--- warning, it is pretty disturbing:

EDIT: Okay, I've removed the link after watching it again. For those of you that are interested it's called Rubber Johnny

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Posted: 26th Mar 2006 12:40
Wow. You guys watch weird music videos.
I've seen that second one before Jeku, what hell is it? It looks like that guy from Sin City.

This Steve Vai one was cool:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8789058193112427621&q=steve+vai

Y'know what's the coolest though is the Van Halen concert videos where they go flying across the stage in some trapeze or whatever in their flashy clothes playing solos on their super shiny guitars.


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Posted: 26th Mar 2006 13:12
Well if you're interested in Vai, theres Satriani and Malmsteen to look at too... not sure if those two make actual music videos, but they're still great players that not many know about and its music on a video so... google vid, here we go

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Posted: 26th Mar 2006 17:15 Edited at: 26th Mar 2006 17:20
The Chemical Brothers seem to have a reputation for cool videos. Check out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRr41l26F70&search=chemical%20brothers. I've linked it before, but it's still very cool - especially at the end where he meets the boss

Also, check out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv8pmWMJ2qA&search=chemical%20brothers. It's all CGI (but the crappy codec doesn't do it justice) and if you notice, all the scenary "matches" the music

EDIT : linking doesn't seem to be working

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Posted: 26th Mar 2006 19:19
Nothing beats Micheal Jackson's Thriller video.

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Posted: 26th Mar 2006 20:27 Edited at: 26th Mar 2006 20:28
I've always been partial to Blur's "Coffee & TV" video, with the little milk carton that sets off on a glorious mission to save the young man (Damon Albarn) whose image is printed on his back.

NO! Scratch that!

Without question, the undisputed heavyweight champion of music videos, the greatest video in the history of humankind, is the video for "Just" by Radiohead. For those of you who haven't seen it...

This guy wakes up and seems to be setting himself off for a mundane morning in the office. he gets in the bath, gets dressed, all that, then starts walking down the street. Halfway to his destination, he stops dead in his tracks and lays down on the sidewalk. People keep coming up to him and asking things like "are you okay? Is everything alright? What, are you drunk?" But he keeps saying there's nothing wrong with him and asks for everyone to leave him alone. After a crowd gathers, they're all screaming at him, ordering him to explain what's wrong, and finally when he's had enough, he gives in and tells them. What makes this video fantastic, and unarguably the most memorable video I've seen, is that the subtitles STOP when he starts explaining what's wrong... and the next thing you know, EVERYONE is laying down on the sidewalk and/ or in the street... EVERYONE. Everyone I know whose seen that video has wanted to know what was said, but no one would ever explain. That's Thom Yorke for ya I LOVE that video and shy of the afforementioned Blur video I haven't seen one that I liked that much ever since.


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Posted: 26th Mar 2006 20:40
the you tube one i liked was the one with queens of the stone age, jack black, and dave grohl, directed by teh guys from the lonely island. let me see if i can find a link here...

http://www.thelonelyisland.com/sohard.html

ok they are called the eagles of death metal, sorta a joke band made up of real artists.

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Posted: 27th Mar 2006 02:17 Edited at: 27th Mar 2006 02:17
I watched 10 seconds of the first one posted and got scared how stupid people can get.
Geek halloween costumes are cooler that that....stuff.

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Posted: 27th Mar 2006 19:47
Matt, I don't know about that being without question, undisputed and whatnot.. I mean it's not very impressive, and has something of a Douglas Adams humor, which has been done before. And I won't say anything about the music itself

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Posted: 28th Mar 2006 01:09
Woooah, hang on, what other video has ever done something that cool (and I mean before that album was released)? And secondly, you can't knock Radiohead... not with all of the crap they play on the air today. In fact, I'd strongly argue that there wasn't a single band in the 90's (and especially today) that had the talent and sheer awesomeness of Radiohead. And the fan-base? Forget about it! Radiohead is a godly band sent down from the gods to thwart off the eardrum attacks by these talentless, no-good poppy-punk-metal-ghouttee-rap groups that have taken over the airwaves. They all sound exactly alike... there's no originality in music anymore, none. Every single band sounds exactly like every other band. I can't tell the difference between Yellowcard and, well, any other band around today. Radiohead is unique... they have a style all their own that is often imitated (Coldplay, Deftones, etc. to name a small few) but never duplicated. My opinion is obviously extremely biased as a hardcore fan, but seriously... name a single band that's come out since 1992 that has done anything even remotely as original and beautiful as Radiohead's stuff. If you try, I'll tell you to go get "OK Computer." That album is, without question, one of the greatest albums in history... and I'm not the only person who thinks that way (the album won more awards than any other album in history, or pretty darn close to it, according to the Radiohead documentary "Meeting People is Easy" and a copy of Rolling Stone released back when "Hail to the Thief" came out). Simply put... they are gods or godlike creatures sent from the heavens to entertain us, and I'd take further insult as a theological debate You've got Jesus, I've got Thom Yorke

Okay, kidding. But seriously, I love Radiohead.

Have you seen that video? It isn't supposed to be humorous... it's supposed to be intriguing, to make you think (something that modern bands don't understand). Unless you're talking about the Blur video, in which case yeah, I can see what you mean. But the video for Just is incredible and I've never seen another video that made me think as much as that one. Of course, most videos just have half-naked women in them so it's not that shocking of a statement


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Posted: 28th Mar 2006 01:22
Aqua - Barbie Girl


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Posted: 28th Mar 2006 07:07
Matt Rock - I was joking, but since you said that they're apparent Gods of the 90s...

Listen to Rush, Steve Vai, Joe Satriani, Extreme, Tool, and we'll talk.

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Posted: 28th Mar 2006 07:45
Pshah.
Me gusta:
1. Gordon Goodwin's Big Phat Band
2. Bela Fleck and the Flecktones


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Posted: 28th Mar 2006 08:21 Edited at: 28th Mar 2006 08:24
Quote: "In fact, I'd strongly argue that there wasn't a single band in the 90's (and especially today) that had the talent and sheer awesomeness of Radiohead."


Easy, Beck. Beck has *never* been properly imitated as he is transgenre. Every one of his albums is 180 degrees different than the last, yet there's nothing amateur/noobish about his sound. Who else can do bluegrass/blues (even Johnny Cash did a Beck cover :-P) then do rap, then finish it off with a metal song (and all on the same album?). Not only that, but he used to be a bum living in his car, playing guitar on the streets for money.

Legends like David Bowie and Bjork get Beck to remix their music. I've seen him live 3 times (and I've also seen Radiohead, Tool, Rage, Moby, and almost 100 other bands)--- nobody else compares hands down.

But you're right, Radiohead is right up to that level (almost ). Although I prefer The Bends to OK Computer. The best Radiohead music video, IMHO, is Fade Out from The Bends.

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Posted: 28th Mar 2006 08:40
Since I am rather Radiohead uneducated, I decided to check them out. Pyramids is original, no doubt, but hardly talented. You is a neat song, but once again sounds overly processed. I like them though , I just wouldn't go as far to say they're the only good thing out there.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4361950700544015447&q=steve+vai&pl=true
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1578343941761594347&q=joe+satriani&pl=true

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I'll spam you with some cool Beck music videos:

Girl - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbkvPQehjH8 (nice Gameboy intro, Beck's take on MAD Magazine fold-ins )

Devil's Haircut - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRAX06Xbjjw (Clearly one of his best!!!)

Little One - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujWIRTBk0aQ (one of my favourite Beck songs)

Sunday Sun (live) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfOCroWKPOk (Beck used to do all the instruments himself on all of his albums, very talented)

Beck - Bad Cartridge (E Pro Remix) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6Pigfkosjc (clearly Beck loves videogames!)

AND of course, the obligatory Radiohead best music video, Street Spirit (Fade Out) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrZTNhW44-o

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Posted: 28th Mar 2006 09:28
I think we can all agree that the originally posted video isn't the greatest of all time, or of the past 5 minutes, right?

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Posted: 28th Mar 2006 09:51
Not when Aqua's Barbie Girl is still on the table


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Posted: 28th Mar 2006 10:33 Edited at: 28th Mar 2006 10:35
I beat Barbie Girl.
With this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Fg8qVAoKxA&search=styx%20mr%20roboto!


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Posted: 28th Mar 2006 16:10 Edited at: 28th Mar 2006 16:14
Mr Roboto ... nice

Perhaps this doesn't qualify as the best music video of all time but it is most definately the most impressive live performance I have ever seen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCAwdzhaXLU&search=K.T.%20Tunstall

It is KT Tunstall perfoming Black Horse And The Cherry Tree live on the Jules Holland show.

It is amazing what can be achieved by one girl and a guitar. She records her own backing track, live, whilst performing ... it's phenomenal!


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Pyramid Song isn't talented?!? That rythym is next to impossible to reproduce... it's sheer musical genius. Songs like Exit Music (for a film), The Tourist, Pearly (Running from Demons), Let Down, Climbing up the Walls... easily some of the most original music you'll ever hear. I agree with Jeku about Beck, though... you can tell we're both of that same age range

About Steve Vai, Joe Satriani, Rush, all of those guys: Sounding like human metronomes does not qualify as talented or unique. While they're talented, I would never go so far as to say they're "the best" at anything. One could argue that there were far better guitarists in our lifetimes. And as far as Rush is concerned, I thought they had a female vocalist until I was proven wrong in 1998, when I was about 18 years old. What does that say?

Hands down, the best bands of of 90's, without question, include Radiohead, Blur, Beck, Weezer (before they sold out), Bjork, Portishead, and of course, Sonic Youth. The fact that they don't play by the book is the exact reason why I think they're the best... you can be the best guitarist or drummer in the world when it comes to playing by the rules, observing and toying with the limits of what's been done, or, you can re-write the book and do something completely unique. imho, it takes a lot more talent to develop a unique sound. And on that note, it's time to get off the crappy work computer


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Posted: 29th Mar 2006 00:29
Finally, something Matt and I agree on: music I used to even have a little crush on Bjork--- I love her Icelandic accent. I have all of her albums, but prefer her earlier work from Debut and Post.

Exit Music (For a Film) is my favourite song on OK Computer--- funny you should mention it It has such a great buildup, just sends shivers down my spine. And it's so haunting. The vocals in that song insired me when I wrote the song Sci-Fi Epilogue. It has the same kind of buildup then the choir vocals in the background--- powerful stuff indeed.

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Well, Matt, it seems you're a bit too caught up in Radiohead to really actually listen to other music anymore. You want a human metronome, listen to Yngwie, but how can you even place Satriani and Vai in that category? Satriani has developed many styles which haven't been replicated, and is constantly exploring things outside of American and British music. Vai has generated sounds never heard before, and if you can tell me how either of them those videos I showed you display some 4/4 metronome beat, then I'll hand it to youI could replicate the rhythms in Pyramids with a program that randomly generates a beep randomly between every .5 - 1.5 seconds. I mean come on, I would hand it to them if they used more than maybe four chords throughout, but they have the musical foundations of an eighth grader, merely expanded upon. Its nearly the same thing that Satriani is doing in the video I posted above as far as increasing and decreasing with speed, except Satriani does it with more theory, skill, and work. I agree with you about Geddy Lee's vocals... defenitely NOT a good singer, but his bass styles and board playing fits perfectly with Neil's ingenious soundscapes and drum patterns. If you've ever actually listened to Neil's playing in more than say 2 songs, you would see that he is about as far from a metronome as you can get. Neil was the first drummer to implement soundscapes through drums, and Geddy Lee was soundscaping before the Radiohead kids were born. Everything done in the Pyramid Song has been done better by Rush before they even knew what music was. Listen to 2112, YYZ, or anything else that has soundscaping or off rhythm beats or whatnot.

Metronome:http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5225198386761660932&q=joey+jordison&pl=true
Neil:http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5820392705112714255&q=rush&pl=true
(If you ever get the chance, watch "Der Trommler" by Neil Peart at the R30 concert. You won't be let down.)

Yes, at first glance they look like guys that don't know how to play one thing. Yes, Geddy Lee looks and sounds like a girl, when in reality, he's just a very ugly male. But try to see past that for 6 minutes. Even better, try to recreate their sound.

Don't get me wrong, I know this seemed a bit more flamish than you'd expect out of me, and I do enjoy Radiohead for some easy listening, but, to me, they're a rock n roll version of trance.

Of course the real masterminds of music, you've probably never heard of. That's because they're either dead, or are still slaving away 9 months to finish a 10 minute peice which requires more thought and talent than any of the aforementioned bands (except for Aqua, of course )

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I didn't consider it a flame or anything... we're just debating But seriously, you're thinking of the Kid A/ Amnesiac Radiohead when you're talking about how they sound like Rock-trance. Try their older albums, like Pablo Honey, The Bends, and OK Computer. Paranoid Android is considered by many to be the "Bohemian Rhapsody" of the 1990's, and by far a better song. In fact, almost every music magazine I've ever read said something to the effect of OK Computer being the greatest album of all time (although I disagree... one of? Totally? THE best? I don't know about that, even as huge of a Radiohead fan as I am). I've heard enough Rush in my day to share my opinion that while they're technically more talented with their instruments, their definitely not as original or groundbreaking. I'm willing to bet that if you sat through The Bends and/ or OK Computer from start to finish you'd become a hardcore Radiohead fan. And NO, they are NOT easy-listening, lol. They rock harder than any metal band I've ever heard, hands-down. Why? Because it doesn't take much talent to slap a double-bassdrum pedal on a Pearl kit and a whammy bar on a BC Rich and slam away at power chords for forty minutes... Radiohead's stuff can sometimes be heavy, but more often than not it's undeniably powerful and can literally express emotion without Thom even singing lyrics. Now that is good music.

Oh come on Jeku, we've gotten along before How about the IGRB stuff? hehe. But yeah, about Bjork, I completely agree. Debut and Post were instant classics, and after that she kept doing decent stuff until Selmasongs... that's when I started to sort of lose interest. I feel sorry for this generation, those poor souls who are coming into the current music scene. We had bands like Radiohead, Blur, REM, etc., bands that were uber-talented and produced mind-bogglingly beautiful songs. Our hip hop was better, too, with the Wu Tang and all that. Nowadays everyone is either (A) "dropping it like it's hot but without writing our own lyrics", or (B) ripping off Green Day, who in my opinion hasn't been rip-off-worthy since 1994


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To be honest, I thought Paranoid Android was a drag on combination of variations on the same song. But then again, I didn't care for Bohemian Rhapsody that much either. And remember, "every music magazine" consists for the most part of people your age or around there, just a good enough age to be bored of what is out (thrash metal and 80s pop) and want to grab new sounds and make them a lot bigger than they really are (grunge anyone?). Stereotyping and saying that all these bands are a certain way and all those bands are a certain way and this generation this and this generation that is pretty ignorant, because, simply put, there are no constants in music. Trends, yeah, but not constants (other than 13 notes, of course). One thing that I am tired of are people, out of jealousy or shame or idk, who call anyone who happens to be some kind of virtuoso a talentless, shredding stringbender hun who doesn't have any originality. I mean come on. I bet you couldn't even fathom how many thousands of hours of studying theory, mastering technique, and composing music these people have worked and put in to be as good as they are. Besides that fact, Steve Vai and Joe Satriani are anything but metronomes and mindless shredders. You would know if you actually took the time to listen to any of their wide variety of stuff. For example, look at the link BearCDP posted, and the one I posted as well. Far from Kirk Hammett-esque.

I also think you misunderstood what I meant by easy-listening. No, I don't mean smooth jazz that you can puff a pipe to, but I mean that you can analyze and point out every part of the song and how it was arrived to in the time it takes to listen to it. If you really want to understand music, go to the roots. You'll notice that modern music is all a copy of Mozart's form and style that he developed way back when, and Radiohead is merely jumping ahead a few years into the next style of music. Still, about 150-200 years ago, the lovely Radiohead music you have come to enjoy was actually being done, innovated and surpassed. However, virtuosity wasn't heard until Chopin arrived later. He wrote and performed his own music. By dismissing people like Neil Peart and Steve Vai, you're essentially dismissing the Chopins of today. They're advancing music, showing that guitar virtuosity is not of just speed and accuracy, but melody and spirit as well.

Here's what I'd like to know. I want you to show me, justify that Radiohead had new, innovative ideas or whatnot like you said. Show me it hasn't been done before.


By the way, has the whole IGRB thread died? I can get on the forums but theres no functionality, and the thread is sinking... so whats up?

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Quote: "By dismissing people like Neil Peart and Steve Vai, you're essentially dismissing the Chopins of today"

No. Chopin was pratically a genius. You cannot compare him and the likes of Steve Vai. Chopin wrote stuff that was fast and complex because that's where his mind took him. Steve Vai writes fast stuff because it's fast. This plainly obvious when you watch a concert of his. A while ago my brother brought over a DVD of a Steve Vai concert, and to be honest I really didn't find anything special about it. All I saw was loads of fast notes every where. Of course, I don't mean this literally, but the whole style was geared towards playing fast for the sake of it. There wasn't anything special about their music. The technique of these guys is amazing, but the music just really isn't, and that is what counts. Technique is something that can be improved over time. The ability to write good music, however, is not.

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Have you guys heard of "The Spice Girls?"?

Man, they're great!

I really really really wanna zigga-zig ah

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Benjamin - What concert exactly did you listen to? Because if it was Whitesnake or something like that... then I'd have to agree. But anything within the past 15 years, no way.

EDIT - Also, Chopin was no genius. He worked hard just as everyone else did (except Mozart.. not to say he didn't work hard, but he was definitely above everyone else). Chopin, Vai, Peart, they all worked non-stop on theory, technique, and then applied that to their spirit and what they wanted to say. That's the way of a virtuoso.

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Wow, now we're comparing musicians to classical greats? Nobody alive today (that I can think of) is in the same league with the likes of Chopin, Mozart, Beethoven, Tchaikovsy, etc)

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Well thats namecalling and poisoning the well in a sense, calling those greats. Chopin was a musician too, you know, and thats all I was comparing it to. He was a piano virtuoso, self-proclaimed. There are many virtuosos nowadays, but no one seems to pay attention to them. I live by the city of Stockton, California, and we have a very nice symphony program known as the Stockton Symphony, and trying to understand what each player is doing is hard enough, but trying to realize on a grand scale what one person put in to make every single sound in that room possible is quite another. There is no way I would compare anyone with whom I thought was a great without valid due, and I see Vai and Peart as much of musicians and virtuosos as Chopin was. There are also many violin, marimba, clarinet, and other types of virtuosos still alive today. In fact, I saw a marimba player about six months ago playing with the Symphony who wasn't any more than 30 years old, but his skill and talent was absoultely mind boggling. Though no one realizes it, the classical music of today isn't rock n roll, jazz, country, or whatever. The great peices that will forever be remembered are being made by that one guy you see at the bus stop, or the man that looks less well-to-do, or someone who may be in the paper finally getting a mention about his work but no one pays attention. I know a man by the name of Max Simoncic (google him), and he told me that he can make a pop, rock peice in about 10 minutes (and he's done it in front of me many times) and make probably about $5000 or more selling it, but a classical peice that he makes would take him anywhere from 9 months to a year and he'd be lucky to make that same amount. People don't appreciate, understand, or even know the existence of musical art nowadays. To be honest, I think Vai, Peart, Chopin and others of that class are nice, famous, but they're hardly greats.

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Chopin was an innovator, read up on your music history and there's much to be learned.

Mozart was really just somebody who wrote the music of that era exquisitely well. Music didn't shift from the Classical to Romantic period until Beethoven came around. It's really not fair to pinhole Chopin as a virtuoso composer confined to Romantic music, he was born just as the Romantic era arrived, back then it took people at hundred years or so before they want to change periods, particularly because of the belief in the Classical period that music was written to serve God and come closer to understanding his perfect music in the heavens unable to be heard by man because of his corruption. Within the Romantic era though, he offered many innovations, some technical, but many melodic, one important one being his use of rubato, and of course developing the style of music called a nocturne. Chopin later inspired Alexander Scriabin, a composer who is just recently becoming more known, he wrote "symphonies for piano" that were full of very unorthodox chord structures and progressions that were quite progressive for his time.

Now that I've defended Chopin , you can't dismiss virtuostic musicians simply because they're not advancing art(Brahms and Liszt are wonderful btw). There are small innovations that are bound to be introduced by these technical masters of their music period that will inevitably influence the inventers of the next great era of music. We see a lot of rapid change in popular music, but in reality everything from blues to jazz to rock to funk to reggae to techno to rap and hip hop is all in the same grain. Even Radiohead, the modern accalimed innovators, are still sticking to certain conventions of rock. However, their efforts(along with those of Steve Vai and others) will amount to another great shift eventually.

Also, to say that all music is essentially Mozart is a little narrow-minded. Like I said, Mozart didn't innovate. He was just damn good at what he did. If we're going to break music down to that level of fundamentals, you may as well say that all music is essentially a bunch of Gregorian chants, which provided the basis for counterpoint that would eventually lead to chordal theory.

In other areas of music less in the public view, innovation in nearly every known aspect to music has been done and is being done, but there seems to be a general rejection by the public who prefer to listen to something entertaining rather than artistic. I mean really, who rocks out to John Cage? Let's go to a party and listen to Ligeti. It doesn't work like that. It's not always best to merely advance music and explore new styles and methodologies, what I think is most important for an invidual or group of musicians is to advance and explore the way they express themselves through music. If adding layers of dissonance achieves the stimulus you are looking for, then go ahead. If recording 4 minutes of ambient noise achieves the stimulus, then knock yourself out. If exploring the technical abilities of one mane and a guitar achieves the stimulus you are looking for, then no one should criticize you for what you do.


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@Saikoro: Well, I guess you are talking purely about their technical ability.. But that's not what's important.

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Quote: "I bet you couldn't even fathom how many thousands of hours of studying theory, mastering technique, and composing music these people have worked and put in to be as good as they are. Besides that fact, Steve Vai and Joe Satriani are anything but metronomes and mindless shredders."

That's sort of a double-negative and you summed up my entire point right there... to play by the book is one thing, but to break the rules is something entirely different, and that's why I love Radiohead so much.

Quote: "Still, about 150-200 years ago, the lovely Radiohead music you have come to enjoy was actually being done, innovated and surpassed."

Somehow I doubt Mozart knew what a Theramin was Yes, it's impossible to "truly" do anything completely original, but the fact of the matter is that Radiohead took a genre, redefined it entirely, and created a unique sound out of what they had to work with... just as Sonic Youth had not long before them. They didn't crack open a music book and say "hey, let's compose a musical." They plugged some broken guitars into a tweaky amp and created something totally new and awesome, and I openly dare you to find someone else in Rock who was making music with that style and "flavor" before they existed... you won't

Point is, for every human being who has been inspired by Steve Vai AND Joe Satriani combined, there's about four who've been inspired by Radiohead. When "Creep" was released as a single in 1992/ 1993, everyone said "holy crap, this is beautiful, it's like '50's music but way edgier!", but most people dismissed them as one-hit-wonders. They proved that wrong by becoming one of the highest-selling/ rated groups of the 90's and they're an icon of that generation. Radiohead is considered by some (including myself) to be the "saviors of serious rock." They didn't get this title by looking cute (go to yahoo and do an image search on Thom Yorke)... they earned it by writing music that wasn't only original and completely unique, but it made people want to emulate it (the list of bands who openly admit to ripping off Radiohead's sound, and the amount of bands who lie about it when really they do, is staggering).

Radiohead, Beck, Blur, Bjork, and a small handful of other artists had a far wider impact on the music industry than Steve Vai and/ or Joe Satriani. Why? Because the latter individuals, while inspirational in that they break the boundaries of what a guitar can do, don't reach the mass media. Go ask your typical 14 year old if they've heard of Steve Vai, and they'll say no. Then go ask if they've heard of Radiohead and the Beatles... let me know what they say. Radiohead blew up out of Oxford with a unique sound, a unique style... a completely original entity on a landscape of plastic pop stars, and that's why they not only got immensly rich and famous, but undeniably earned the title of one of the best bands of the 90's. That has a far bigger impact on the music industry than what Vai and Satriani do. Again, I'm not saying they're crap, but I would never go so far as to say they really impact popular music, and I would definitely argue against anyone thinking they're more unique than Radiohead or a band/ artist of their caliber.

As far as people calling Radiohead the "saviors of rock..." this list is too long to put html tags on each of them so you'll all need to deal with copy & paste

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/v-pfriendly/story/88119p-80297c.html
http://transcriptions.english.ucsb.edu/archive/topics/infoart/radiohead/
http://www.dprp.vuurwerk.nl/reviews/radiohead.htm
http://www.dailyegyptian.com/fall00/10-13-00/radiohead.html

ugh, you get the point. In the 90's, the media had a field day with labeling Radiohead as the greatest band of the generation. I didn't buy into the hype because I was a Radiohead fan when the band had a song called "pop is dead" and they were named "On a Friday." But if you have listened to OK Computer from start to finish and you honestly disagree that it's one of the greatest albums ever produced, then I'll have to think you haven't listened to it from start to finish


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Did I say that Mozart was the greatest? He's surely good, but I NEVER acclaimed him for his innovations. He made music to be heard, was forced to make the pop music of the time, just like Radiohead and Vai do today. I find Beethoven's works to be that much more beautiful because he went through a pressured childhood and life, never writing for anyone but himself. Also, to make great music, you do not necessarily need to be "omg lol lyk everyone listen to this band they're like 50s but thats original except ppl in the 50s did it" and have everyone drool over you and be the all-inspiring well of "lets copy them cuz they're easy to listen to cuz we all like them". Beethoven was heavily critisized when he wrote his symphonies, and it wasn't until later when he was praised for them and Mozart was seen as a music generator.

Sorry if you got the idea that I believed Chopin wasn't an innovator.. but IMHO I don't believe him to be within the likes of the others. Sorry. Listen to 'Ein Heldenleben' or 'Carmina Burana' or anything by Stravinsky and then listen to Opus 55. I mean no disrespect to what Chopin has done and what he is, as he is one of the composers I look to when trying to figure out what to do with my music, and he is a really awesome composer, I just believed that he limited some of his music to virtuosity.

As for Radiohead...
Quote: "everyone said "holy crap, this is beautiful, it's like '50's music but way edgier!""

Quote: "Radiohead took a genre, redefined it entirely, and created a unique sound out of what they had to work with... just as Sonic Youth had not long before them."

Quote: "the hype"

Quite original indeed...

Quote: "But if you have listened to OK Computer from start to finish and you honestly disagree that it's one of the greatest albums ever produced, then I'll have to think you haven't listened to it from start to finish "
Why?

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Quote: "but to break the rules is something entirely different, and that's why I love Radiohead so much."


I wouldn't say they broke the rules. I mean, how do you break rules? And people have been using theremins long before Radiohead--- hell, it was the very first electronic instrument ever invented.

And Mozart was a prodigy--- writing entire symphonies before the age of 9. Let me know if that has happened in the last century (on a comparitive basis).

And I don't know if it's wise to judge a composer's skill on "inventing" anymore than you can judge one on the technicality of the work. To me, the fact that the Beatles could spit out so many good and widely recognized songs in such a short time puts them above any of the modern bands even today, but I wouldn't consider George Harrison a boundary pusher or a technical wizard.

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Quote: "I wouldn't say they broke the rules. I mean, how do you break rules? And people have been using theremins long before Radiohead--- hell, it was the very first electronic instrument ever invented"

Very true, but besides Sonic Youth, how many artists can you name who were pop culture icons that successfully used the theramin as a true musical instrument? There's a few, but not many

Every artist can be fit into a genre, no matter who or what they are. Radiohead can be fit into two or three just like anyone else. But what makes them unique is that they blur the edges of what a genre is supposed to consist of. Sure, there "general" sound is similar to other bands/ artists, but the reason they're so often ripped off by other groups is because they have, in their genre, created a completely and utterly unique sound using heavy soundscaping and beautifully-orchestrated themes. That's why I love Radiohead, and probably always will (until they sell out and start doing rap like everyone else, lol)


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Jimi Hendrix was better than Chopin, he could play the guitar with his teeth!!!!

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I wonder how good Ron Jeremy is at guitar


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I wonder how good Jenna Jameson is at the flute.

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You wanna know some innovators?

Gyorgy Ligeti is the guy they ripped a bunch of the freaky-deaky 2001 music off of.

Charles Ives wrote music for 2 pianos tuned to quarter-tones.

Alfred Schnittke wrote some string quartets that had used some very unique orchestration. Once collection I have has some hauntingly beautiful violing melodies that travel to the low voices and slowly metamorphosize into a hellish soundscape. It's believed that he wrote this particular piece as he was dying and may have been literally trying to create an aural image of hell.

Here's one you can listen to, [hrefhttp://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000005J2C/sr=1-1/qid=1143861005/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-3000673-3159264?%5Fencoding=UTF8&s=music]The Cave[/href]. It's a "multimedia opera", the audio doesn't really do the whole thing justice. He's got a full theatre set up with the musicians (mostly percussion variety) and these giant screens. There's images of Palestinian, Israeli, and US people being interviewed and asked questions about biblical figures common across Christianity, Islam, and Judaism whether the figures are actually present or they are symbolized in another form within religious texts.

Steve Reich writes the music to match the inflection and tone of each interviewee's voice. It's amazing. If you can hear a full recording of at least one of the songs it will absolutely amaze you.


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Nothing beats my band in a good old fashioned performance video

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The two best music videos that I know of (both from Green Day) are for Jesus of Suburbia and Holiday.

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Woot! Here's another two of my favourite videos, as they are technically amazing.

Kylie Minogue - Come Into My World
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTrO6LYSHQQ (SOOO freaking amazing--- just watch it all the way through)

Cibo Matto - Sugar Water http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq7N5sQN-hI (Unfortunately the audio is a little out of sync, but you can see that this would have been crazy to direct)

Amazingly these were done by the same director.

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