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MartinS
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Posted: 4th Apr 2006 14:33
Hi, all!

Well, I'm making a website with my friend, to sell some games. Check it out! games2live.com. Anyway, we haven't gotten any games up, so we haven't made any money yet. The proplem is, we've already paid like $700 USD, and it's my fault we haven't made and money! (I'm was suppoosed to make the games, but I haven't yet). What's worse, he's the one that's paying for it, so we need some money - fast.

What would you do in my current situation?

-Martin

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Posted: 4th Apr 2006 14:40
what did you spend the 700 on??? if i was in your position.......hmmmmmmmm.......maybe...........just maybe..........id consider making a game to sell?? or maybe i'd hide and then hope your friend doesn't beat you over the head with the computer monitor.......now that i think about it.....i say you should make a preemptive strike on him.....yes....thats what you should do....yes.....preemptive strike....

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dark coder
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Posted: 4th Apr 2006 14:48
i would fire up the ftp program, select the index.htm file then hit shift+del, and what exactly cost you 700$? and if this is a site to publish your own games i would advise you make atleast 1 game then think of a website otherwise its pointless.

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Megaton Cat
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Posted: 4th Apr 2006 14:51
I am also interested in finding out what you spend your $700USD on...because it sure as hell wasn't the design. (Which should have been the obvious thing to spend money on first)


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MartinS
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Posted: 4th Apr 2006 15:00
Well, he spent around $500 USD dollars on frontpage, and $200 USD on game making software, etc. And he's my best friend, he's not about to bang me on the head! (Or vice versa)

Anyways, please try to help...

-Martin

Megaton Cat
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Posted: 4th Apr 2006 15:05
Quote: " Well, he spent around $500 USD dollars on frontpage"


That's a late April Fools joke right? Considering FrontPage comes free with almost every WinXP? Or the fact that the commercial version costs $200 USD, a number rather of $500USD.

O_o


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Chris Franklin
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Posted: 4th Apr 2006 15:07 Edited at: 4th Apr 2006 15:08
lies

Frontpage with all the others eher is only 150 pound new the 2003 version or free with most xp's yea

And why not get fpsc for some of your first games

Nicholas Thompson
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Posted: 4th Apr 2006 15:08
I love it when people spend money on programs which are useless for making websites when they can learn to do it themselves for free

MartinS
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Posted: 4th Apr 2006 15:09
Hey, I didn't buy it! And I swear that's what he said he paid for it.

-Martin

Chris Franklin
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Posted: 4th Apr 2006 15:09
yea lol i didn't like notepad tho so i got dreamweaver 2004mx off ebay lol

Megaton Cat
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Posted: 4th Apr 2006 15:09
That's why it's a good idea to consult before throwing money around. Otherwise, you clearly have too much of it.


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Chris Franklin
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Posted: 4th Apr 2006 15:10
lol this is like instant messaging
yea and frontpage 500 usd that sounds a bit over the top

MartinS
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Posted: 4th Apr 2006 15:11
Please get back on-topic, guys. Anyways, what would you do?

-Martin

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Posted: 4th Apr 2006 15:11 Edited at: 4th Apr 2006 15:12
Quote: " lies

Frontpage with all the others eher is only 150 pound new the 2003 version"


That's even more then $200USD you dolt.


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Baggers
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Posted: 4th Apr 2006 15:12
MAYDAY MAYDAY....The entire company is crashing..ARGHHHH

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MartinS
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Posted: 4th Apr 2006 15:13
Oh, and besides, I think he bought the whole MS Office package. (That would explain it, eh?)

-Martin

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Posted: 4th Apr 2006 15:14
In that situation, all I can do is apoligize. Be prepared for a long, long wait before you start earning any of that money back...

Good luck.


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Nicholas Thompson
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Posted: 4th Apr 2006 15:26
G2L - the ONLY, and I mean only, option you have is to make a game. That is, after all, the point of the site! I suppose you could start playing the lottery?

MartinS
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Posted: 4th Apr 2006 15:49
Ok. I'll try... *goes off to make a good platform game* Thanks, everybody!

indi
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Posted: 4th Apr 2006 17:02
declare bankrupcy, at the rate your going your capital wealth will be zero by the time you buy Mspaint instead of photoshop.
seriously, try and get your money back, frontpage is not the breakfast of champions.

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MartinS
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Posted: 4th Apr 2006 17:06
I'm trying to, I just need some tips.

indi
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Posted: 4th Apr 2006 17:16
if you want to do it on a budget then replace photoshop with paint shop pro or the gimp and go here for web tools http://www.thefreecountry.com/webmaster/htmleditors.shtml

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Cash Curtis II
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Posted: 4th Apr 2006 18:21 Edited at: 4th Apr 2006 18:24
Okay, the problem that I see is that a LOT of money was spent on the web site when no product was available.

Any time before I undertake an investment project, I create a business plan. Some ideas die there, if I deem it unworthy of my time and money.

Have you started making a game yet? I'm guessing no. What games have you made that make you qualified to create such a site? In order to make a commercial quality game that you can sell on your site would probably take you six months, doing the work part time, and assuming that you already have the skills.

So, at that point, you've got a game you could probably sell for $5. If we're generous, and people buy... say... 30 copies of the game, then you'll bring in $150.

Now, if you put your game on Download.com, you would get more exposure for free. If you had paid $79 for one year, your game would have higher placement and would get reviewed. If you wanted to get crazy, you could pay $99 for one month for the Premium package.

Then, you'd have maximum exposure on a very popular web site for WAYY less money. And, since you're not dealing in bulk, there is absolutely no advantage to building your own very expensive site.

Visit here for more information...
http://www.upload.com/1200-21_5-5081541.html?tag=fd

Research before you invest, or cause others to invest. Without a plan, you'll fail every time. No research was done, and a lot of money was spent on pointless things. There are plenty of free ways to create nice web pages.

At this point, it is impossible to pay for your investment. It will take several commercial quality games to see a profit.

MartinS
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Posted: 4th Apr 2006 18:37
Ok. Thanks, Cash Curtis II!

soapyfish
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Posted: 4th Apr 2006 19:22
I didn't know frontpage was free with most xp's.

Quote: "i got dreamweaver 2004mx off"

No offence but I can't see anything on your site that couldn't have been done with one of the many freeware text editors out there. Just my opinion.

@Games 2 Live

You've still got the domain and whatever hosting it includes. You could always set up a free hosting for bedroom programmers type thing (like dbspot) and then look around for anyone willing to pay for some ad space if you get enough traffic.

Or come up with the next milliondollarhomepage.com idea.

If you want to make some of the money back quick I'd suggest selling the software on eBay and picking up a book called 'Creating Web Sites: The Missing Manual' it really helped me get started and includes info on almost everything you need to know in order to build websites using html and css, with chapters on dhtml and javascript thrown in for good measure.

I AM A MORON
and won't change my sig until I get off my oversized behind and finish a project.
Poker_Guy
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Posted: 4th Apr 2006 20:45
Games 2 Live,

If I were you I would spend another $30-$60 and buy a template for your site off of templatemonster or something similar, they have great value and are easy to use with minimal knowledge.

Secondly, what type of game design experience do you have? Were you planning on using dbp, another db product, or something such as Java or C++ for your games? Really you should have done all your planning before your friend went off and spent $700, however now that you are in this situation, we would really need more information on all the small details to give you accurate advice.

Jeku
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Posted: 4th Apr 2006 21:52
Domain name upkeep is fairly cheap, and so is a decent webhost, so just keep the site up and work on your games on your own time. If your friend was daft enough to pay such an exorbitant amount of money to sell stuff that you aren't ambitious enough to create, then he deserves waiting to make it back.

Cash Curtis II
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Posted: 5th Apr 2006 04:09
Well, a website is necessary, but not worth much money until you've got plenty of content.

A hobby programmer has to compete efficiently. Otherwise, you'll get steamrolled.

Quote: "Directory Listing
At the heart of all of our subscriptions is the ability to list your products in the most widely used software directory in the world. By taking part in this program, your products will join over 35,000 others, which are seen by over 38 million users each month*."


I'll take 38 million users each month, possibly looking at my game. If I get the premium package and only 1 million people actually look at my game, I'll definitely move some product. How many hits do you think you can generate for your own web site, G2L? In order to generate any hits, you'll have to advertise with Google. You won't get anywhere close. And, it will cost you even more money.

Zone Chicken
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Posted: 5th Apr 2006 04:30
Quote: "I'm was suppoosed to make the games, but I haven't yet"


My first question in this case would be do you even know anything about programming? What do you plan on making your game in gamemaker,fpsc,blitz,db,dbp,vb,c#,c++ ?

Quote: "Ok. I'll try... *goes off to make a good platform game* Thanks, everybody!
"


Second thing would be that ^ why a platform game? If your looking for fast simple programs to get something out there for return i would suggest making some point and click \ sprite based \ puzzle games these would be much easier and faster to write and create media for then a platform game. (imo)

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MartinS
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Posted: 5th Apr 2006 07:35
I'm going to use gamemaker for 2d games (mostly, not all the time), but DBPro for everything else. And I can program okay in game maker. Still goto wait for my birthday (April 7th) so I can get the full version of dbp. (I've been using the trial to see how it is, can you imagine?!)

Jeku
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Posted: 5th Apr 2006 09:11
You probably can't put "program" and "Game Maker" in the same sentence But, kudos to you if you make something decent worth selling.

MartinS
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Posted: 5th Apr 2006 09:53
I only use it because I can make decent [2d] games in it, fast. You're right though, you probably can't!

-Martin

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