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BearCDPOLD
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I've got my sights on getting Oblivion in a couple of months. Saved up much cash, and plan to get Oblivion, a 360, and Need for Speed Most Wanted.

My question, is what platform do you think Oblivion will play best on? I'm not really concerned about the construction set, mostly interface and performance. Once Microsoft ships I'll be getting a 360, and I have a fairly nice computer, but I don't really know how it would handle Oblivion in comparison to a 360.

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Pentium 4 dual core 3.2 ghz
1 gig DDR2 ram
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One older-than-dirt dvd drive, Hitachi GD-2000(you can only get DVD-rom version right?)

What experiences have you guys had with Oblivion on a PC? And has anybody played the 360 version as well to get a comparison?


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Lukas W
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my computer have:
amd64 3500+
1gig DDR2 Ram
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simple sony dvd-rw (can't remember the speed)

my experiece:
*playing with HDR lighting at 1280x1024 with full detail hurt the computer, and it sometimes crashes
*playing with HDR lighting at 640x480 with full detail runs smooth allthough not smooth enough, it can be a b*tch in battles.
*playing with Bloom lighting at 1024x768 with 4xAA and full detail is almost like playing with HDRlightning at 640x480

cons:
* game sometimes crashes and i have to save alot
* you never know where it will crash, but mostly when the game replace an entity with a ragdoll

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* loading times are quick, on average 5secounds
* playing with full detail is beautiful

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pc, dont waste your time on the 360 version.

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Yeah, I got the Pc version, and i love it!

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Posted: 7th Apr 2006 14:49 Edited at: 7th Apr 2006 14:50
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the game was built around the 360 version, so the controls on the 360 feel more natural, and you can only really get better graphics than the 360 version if you have a reeeeeally nice computer, and you look like you have a decent one. Personally im going with the 360 version myself since my money is in my entertainment setup rather than my $300 walmart computer.....


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http://www.gamespot.com/features/6147028/index.html

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With pc vesrion you gain access to many custom mods, and you can tweak the ini a little for better perfomance.
I bought it but i am not playing cause i dont like it.
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Read that Gamespot comparrison. I had a look at it, but I didn't read it because I got the game for 360 anyway. And it's absolutely awesome, no slowdowns whatsoever. Of course the game itself is a little more expensive on Xbox, but then you're sure that it's running alright on the highest settings(or, there are no settings, but it's looking just as good as the pc-version on highest settings).


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Quote: "the game was built around the 360 version, so the controls on the 360 feel more natural, and you can only really get better graphics than the 360 version if you have a reeeeeally nice computer"

I agree, the 360 controlls would feel more organised, and console games are normally better, but it depends on your system processor and other specs..

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But you can already get a patch for it, I believe, which fixes up the controls on your PC.


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If you get the 360 version, you have to pay for mods
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Quote: "If you get the 360 version, you have to pay for mods"

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Quote: "If you get the 360 version, you have to pay for mods "


And that's the same for the pc version. The 'mods' Bethesda has released(and will release) costs, both for pc users and Xbox 360 gamers. You can get some user created mods for the pc version though, and I don't think that they'll ever come to Xbox 360.


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You can create the PC mods yourself or download em though
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Sure. I guess that would be harder to do with the Xbox 360 version!


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Apparently the Xbox version of Morrowind accepted mods from the PC version--- if you could send them over to the hard drive. The same may be true with the 360 version if you had it modded.


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The controls on the PC are perfect. The 360 version is crappy according to all of my friends, it just plays really poorly on the machine. I play Oblivion on a freakin' HP Laptop with a low-end 128mb Radeon card and without pixel shader 3x effects, and it still runs great with medium visual settings, and looks amazing. That's the great thing about Oblivion, unlike other pretty games it looks fantastic even with low visual settings.


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I have PC, and its great, but the only thing i don't like is that you need a really really good PC to play with graphics all the way up, mines 512MB DDR SDRRAM, 160GB Hard Drive, NVIDIA GeForce4 MX Graphics, and 3200+ AMD Athlon XP Processor, and i play with no Anti-Analysing (it eats up the FPS), and the rest of the graphics about half way up. Still graphics are probably best I've ever seen in a PC game (that I've played) . XBOX360 seems like it'd just be too...hard to do stuff, I don't have one though, but it just seems like it wouldn't feel natural. But then again, it was made for XBOX360...

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I love the 360 version very stable and good looking the controlls feel much better.

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Posted: 8th Apr 2006 01:38 Edited at: 8th Apr 2006 01:38
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Quote: "The 360 version is crappy according to all of my friends, it just plays really poorly on the machine. "


I don't agree with your friends. Although I can't compare to the pc version since I've never played it.

EDIT : But according to MY friends, the pc version should be crappy and play really poorly on a pc.


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To anyone who does not know. the 360 version is specifically speced for the 360, just as you can spec for your own machine, if you don't understand what the words mean, look them up. But seriously, Screen Resolution is the LAST thing you change, there are so many more important aspects that contribute MORE to the overall FPS.

This was also in the "anyone excited about the new elderscrolls" or something like that.

Quote: "the game was built around the 360 version, so the controls on the 360 feel more natural, and you can only really get better graphics than the 360 version if you have a reeeeeally nice computer"

Glares. Spits. It was NEVER built around the 360, it was built around possible future system specs (paraphrase). The only reason you like the 360 version is because controlers allow access to more buttons at once. However they don't allow you to do precision, and are limited by the amount of buttons on the controler.

Another issue is that a good deal of people don't manage their system. If you expect windows XP to actually WORK, you are with the wrong company... however, I don't think any of them are quite that good at the moment. There are so many ways that resources can leak, turning any computer into crap.

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dont be so negative....gosh

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Wow, very enlightening responses. Debate is good. I was swaying toward PC because who knows when 360s will be available again, but I had a grand old time with the Xbox controller with Morrowind (even though I didn't have such a great time with the game itself...). Thanks for the link TDP.

Any other opinions?


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@Gil, seriously... get a new 3d card! All that processing power going to waste! You can get a good AGP card for £100, a fair one for £30-£50. An extra 512mb of memory might be good too

Oblivion looks quite horrible without shaders, and there are constant weird crashes (Like when you tried to change the graphics settings to STOP it from crashing). And the water turning purple just isn't right
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@Chenak: lol, yeah,

Hey, i found this, this should help a lot. It's really good when deciding with system specs:
http://www.gamespot.com/features/6147127/index.html

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Youch, my video card only gets 28 FPS even with distant lands off on that test. It ran the FEAR demo rather well, I thought they were supposed to have similar requirements? I might have to resort to begging somebody I know to let me borrow it and check performance.


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go for the 360 version man. controles etc are much better
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i thought u mean by "Ultimate Decision" is to become a "vaempire or not" lol

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i think for the very short-term, the 360, but in the very long term, investing in the pc will be best, since in a yrs time, your pc parts will be obsolete and you can upgrade them, and oblivion will run just like any other last-yr game will, but an xbox380, i dont think you can upgrade and get new graphics card etc for...

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in my opinion, id go with the version for which system that you have more invested in, if you have a ton put into a killer home theater system like mwuah, and a sh** computer, then naturally id get the 360 version, but if you have a super computer and an average home theater system, then go with the PC version

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Hey, I got that game, the graphics are very nice. I think it could have done without all the cutscenes, though.

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Quote: "i thought u mean by "Ultimate Decision" is to become a "vaempire or not" lol"


Haha, yeah!

Quote: "It was NEVER built around the 360"


I'm almost sure that they say in the bonus materials(from the CE) that it was in fact built around the 360...

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Quote: "But seriously, Screen Resolution is the LAST thing you change, there are so many more important aspects that contribute MORE to the overall FPS."


That's not entirely true. It was before pixel shader effects became standard, but everything in Oblivion is per-pixel shaded, so screen resolution has a huge impact on game speed on cards that handle shaders slowly - like both of my computers.


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It will probably be a while before I upgrade my PC, just got this one in January. It runs the FEAR demo at max settings with only slight choppiness, but at the same time my dad's a home theater enthusiast so we've got a killer 6.1 sound system with a 50-60 inch (can't remember) HDTV. But will he even let me hook it up to that?


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Wrong board?

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Quote: " But will he even let me hook it up to that?"

Isn´t not hooking a 360 up to a hdtv and a surround sound system ilegal? If he doesn´t let you just get the boys from microsoft round.

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depends if your tv is rear-prejection like mine.....if so, then it might burn into the screen....

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I think we've got rear-projection, red, blue, and green mirror/light things behind the screen right? It's one of the first HD models to come out, but the nice thing about being an early adopter is that you get the models that were designed without worrying about making them cost-effective for the mass public (read: these things are invincible).

Hmmm.... I could always check how much a new small HD tv is, and then get a job and work like 60 hours a week.


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Quote: "depends if your tv is rear-prejection like mine.....if so, then it might burn into the screen....
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Yeah i have a sony wega 42 inch widescreen hd 3lcd rear projection got it nov of 05.
I have played hours upon hours of 360 on it (about 14 hours of oblivion strait is my record) when i first got it i even fell asleep watching a dvd woke up 8 hours later with the menu on for 7 of those hours and was panicked because the manual talks of burn in but either i am really lucky or it's not nearly as easy to burn in as they make it out to sound in the manuals or the newer units are more resilient.
Ive seen some nasty cases of burn in on some of the display models in stores though but i guess they show the same static image for days maybe weeks at a time.

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That's why I didn't go for the cheaper, bigger screens but a more pricey smaller model. Sharp 37" LCD HD has no problems with burn in, and the picture is crystal clear


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I've been looking to buy a new tv for a little while now just havent had the cash(my current job sucks)... In any case, i just got hired at Bestbuy today, starting in less than a week... I wonder how the staff discount is going to be on tv's, anyone know what price electronic stores get there tv's at(at cost price from the manufacturers)?

I didnt ask about discounts to the boss as i felt kind of guilty asking that while i'm getting hired, but looking online it seems bestbuy employees get things 'at cost + 5%'...

So USB cables they sell for 30 bucks, but buy for like 3 dollars i'll get for 3 dollars plus 5%... that's how i understand it atleast, i dont know how this applies to televisions though.

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Quote: "I didnt ask about discounts to the boss as i felt kind of guilty asking that while i'm getting hired, but looking online it seems bestbuy employees get things 'at cost + 5%'..."

Now that´s a good deal. Normally you juet get a 10% discount.

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Quote: "LCD HD has no problems with burn in, and the picture is crystal clear"
a liquid crystal display, thats crystal clear?!?!?

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Quote: "Now that´s a good deal. Normally you juet get a 10% discount.
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Are you talking about stores, or other bestbuys?

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I think this in Geek chat at some point, gonna lock it though as it appears to have had it's head chopped off, the rest of the thread is probably going in a curry.

Locking this, because it appears to be borked anyway.

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