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Geek Culture / What's the modern day version of a Cray?

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Pincho Paxton
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Posted: 7th Apr 2006 11:47
If I had unlimited funds to buy the greatest computer around, what would it be? The Cray is probably Cr*p by todays standards, so what would I buy instead? Apart from Raven's computer...

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Posted: 7th Apr 2006 12:22
My Atari ST from the 90's .


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Posted: 7th Apr 2006 12:35
id take an abacus, a large red unix manual that wouldn't fit on a shelf, lee bambers mousemat , and 1500 quad dual core (thats 4 x 2 = 8 x 3000+mhz ) ppcintelmacs and farm it with xgrid.

seriously tho if you build a seti/electric sheep/audio galaxy satellite/ calc pi type peer to peer application and get a million users to join it would set another standard in cost and speed for power cpu ratio.

seriously tho with unlimited funds just keep adding to this amount of nodes and eventually you have the ubeh x100^11111oneoneinfinity

however an SGI would be nice

http://www.top500.org/lists/2005/11/TOP10_Nov2005.pdf

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Posted: 7th Apr 2006 13:50
Quote: "The Cray is probably Cr*p by todays standards"


There is a law, whose name I forget, that has held true since 1963. It states that computing power doubles every 3 years, for the same cost. Any PC you buy today has more processing power than they had when they first put man on the moon!

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Posted: 7th Apr 2006 14:14
Apparently we're at roughly 280000 GFlops now...

http://www.top500.org/lists/2005/11/basic

Pincho Paxton
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Posted: 7th Apr 2006 14:37
Blue Gene L seems to get the vote. How long before we all have the equivelent I wonder?

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If Sony are to be beleaved...as soon as the ps3 comes out.

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Posted: 7th Apr 2006 14:56
I think that Moores law. Mind you, because Moores law rhymes, it makes me doubt it. Maybe it's Susannes law. I'm going for Moores law though. I think it's specifically that the number of transitors on the chip doubles, but I'm not sure.

Anyway, more to the point, is this Reggie Kray we're talking about?

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No it was Moore alright. Wasn't he the same guy who said something like "In the future, there will be a requirement for around 3 computers in the world".

The person who said that worked for IBM .. I know that much.

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Posted: 7th Apr 2006 15:39
Quote: "Moore's Law became known as the limit for the number of transistors on the most complex chips. However, it is also common to cite Moore's law to refer to the rapidly continuing advance in computing power per unit cost."


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Posted: 7th Apr 2006 16:52
Quote: ""In the future, there will be a requirement for around 3 computers in the world"."

I believe the head of IBM said "In the future, there will only be a need for at most 5 computers in the world" or something to those lines.

Better than Bill Gates quotes though.

Quote: "Let's face it, the average computer user has the brain of a Spider Monkey. "

Quote: ""If you can't make it good, at least make it look good.""

And last but not least:
Quote: "“Be nice to nerds. Chances are you'll end up working for one.”"


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Posted: 7th Apr 2006 20:01
how about Bills "no one will ever need more than 640k ram" comment, yeah! right Bill, that would be why it took you sooo long to work out we needed Fat32 if we where going to store video files and edit media



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Posted: 7th Apr 2006 23:49
Quote: "The person who said that worked for IBM .. I know that much."


Actually Moore was an engineer at Intel, not IBM

And don't forget HP rejected Steve Wozniak's Apple prototype, saying there's no market for personal computers

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Posted: 8th Apr 2006 00:41
Xerox had all kinds of stuff pre-Apple but never did anything with it, correct?

Why make sense when you could make brownies?
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Posted: 8th Apr 2006 01:36
Correct. Then MS hired Simonyi away from Xerox (and a lot of the ideas came along with it). Simonyi was the Hungarian uber-coder who devised the Hungarian Notation.

Ahh, computer history is so interesting

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Posted: 8th Apr 2006 22:36
Google (theoritically) counts as one of the top 500 super computers - I think it's been estimated that it has about 126–316 TF processing power in total.

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Posted: 8th Apr 2006 23:23 Edited at: 8th Apr 2006 23:25
actualy you can still buy Cray supercomputers, so I suppose the modern day version of a Cray is...a Cray? , I suppose they have the edge when an aircraft hangar full of networked PC`s with 4ghz processors is putting the electricity bill up a bit too much, I wonder if they need a special industrial power supply put in for something like deep blue?, my desktop uses 260watts running normaly, I guess a thousand machines networked into a cluster is going to want some power to run it (like 260kw, I wouldn`t want their electricity bill).



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Posted: 9th Apr 2006 00:14
Cray is across the street from my work--- maybe I should walk in and ask them?

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Bring a gun.


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Posted: 9th Apr 2006 05:24
Quote: "A relatively cheap but modern desktop computer using, for example, a Pentium 4 or Athlon 64 CPU, typically runs at a clock frequency in excess of 2 GHz and provides computational performance in the range of a few GFLOPS...
The original supercomputer, the Cray-1, was set up at Los Alamos National Laboratory in 1976. The Cray-1 was capable of 80 MFLOPS (or, according to another source, 138–250 MFLOPS). In fewer than 30 years since then, the computational speed of supercomputers has jumped a millionfold.

According to Top500.org, the fastest computer in the world as of October 2005 was the IBM Blue Gene/L supercomputer, measuring a peak of 280.6 TFLOPS."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FLOPS

Quote: "Humans are even worse floating-point processors. If it takes a person a quarter of an hour to carry out a pencil-and-paper long division problem with 10 significant digits, that person would be calculating in the milliFLOPS range."

Haha. They must have used me as their test subject.

Quote: "Bear in mind, however, that a purely mathematical test may not truly measure a human's FLOPS, as a human is also processing smells, sounds, touch, sight and motor coordination. This takes an average human's FLOPS up to an estimated 10 quadrillion FLOPS (roughly 10 PFLOPS)."

Is that an AMD speed benchmark?

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Posted: 12th Apr 2006 14:22
I've touched a Cray-II.
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Posted: 12th Apr 2006 15:12
In the movie 2001 - A Space Oddysey whilst Bowman is waiting at the space terminal to board his flight to Mars he sits on a Cray!

It's a fact!


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Posted: 12th Apr 2006 20:18
modern day version of a Cray is a Cray, and they use AMD cpu`s

http://www.cray.com/

now all we need is a fast realtime raytraced voxel graphics card, a VR environment and some seriously massive BSP models



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