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The resurrected anarchist
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ok, this is a geek culture forum, im gonna say that 70% of u have an ipod, including me.

i think that the itunes software that is need to manage songs on your ipod is well, crap.
i can pick up and use most software fairly easy, but it took me ages to figure out itunes(though im not sure if my ipods 100% ok), just to add and remove song is tricky, plus it brings up loads of crap i didnt ask for and dont want.

just mi opinion, who else hates it and wishes sumone would make a little freeware ipod manager
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And check out how much RAM it takes up. That is just simply amazing.

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Posted: 15th Apr 2006 00:44 Edited at: 15th Apr 2006 00:45
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i got 1.5GB ram

but yea, an annoying programme that your forced to use

SOMEONE MAKE AN IPOD APP!
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Firstly, I shall start of by saying there are numerous alternatives, for windows, linux and macs! This even includes a Winamp plugin as well as plenty of standalone applications.

Also, I can't see how *anyone* could struggle to use iTunes. Fair enough, I know plenty of people around here don't agree with iPods, and don't like iTunes, but that can't be because of it's complexity... It's as if it's made for children! (Which I suppose it is) Bleh It's the simplest thing you can find, as it automatically copies your stuff onto the iPod as soon as you plug it in, hardly rocket science -_-

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Quote: "just to add and remove song is tricky"

WTF? You think it's hard to drag 'n drop from different playlists in ONE app, and to press the delete key...? Common...thats just weak..

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lol, what a nonsense post, do your homework.

ipod nano doom anyone



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Quote: "ipod nano doom anyone"

Haha! Thats crazy, but probably (very likely) that it is fake. Probably a picture being displayed on the screen..

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Wow...

Hmm..where could I---get that?

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Looks cool. Now I want to try it on my sister's Ipod.

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quicktime isn't that bad, real player's the buggiest media player ever created, and for some reason, people stil make RM files. as far as i'm concerned, real player should be categorised as malware.


as for apple... PC users often find macs hard to use (i often use one at university) because macs are too easy to use. PC users tend to work a computer by tricking it into working, or looking for something in an obscure place. The trick to using a mac is to stop thinking, and just go with it... its all there ready and waiting right infront of you a lot of the time

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iTunes is complicated???

Wow, this wins the 'noob statement of the month' award

How anyone can find the interface complicated is beyond me. I agree it's not as slick on a PC as it is on a Mac, but it can hardly be considered complicated. I mean we're not talking Winamp-style 3 pixel high buttons here or anything, it just does what it's supposed to do, and does it well. PC application designers could take a leaf (or three) out of the Mac GUI handbook for sure.

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The only thing that bugs me about iTunes is the way you change track informations. Everything else is pretty good.

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I've never used a Mac, nor do I think I will, but everything I've seen from Applie is oddly alluring. iTunes included. Resource hog? Not sure. But as a media player/jukebox, it's sleek and efficient. It's the first time I've turned control of my music over to an application. I've used Winamp for years and I've never done that.


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I agree, iTunes couldn't be easier to use if there had been someone next to you telling you how to use it. I take iTunes over Windows Media Player anyday.

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Cash - iTunes can be a bit of a hog on a PC (if your PC is slow / quite low spec, which doesn't count for most people here!). I guess Apple developers just aren't too hot at doing PC ports. QuickTime is another good example of something that is sublime to work with on my Mac, and painful on my PC. However hopefully this will all change now they've gone all Intel.

No matter if you use it or not, iTunes crowning glory has to be the built-in shop. That was a stroke of genius imho. Make it SO simple to get tracks and just sit and watch the money roll in. Nice one Apple, you gits

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well my version doesnt seem to work properly, (i did buy it from a market), i can follow the instructions to the letter, and 2 outa 3 times it dont work, naybe this is just my ipod, i dont think the connection is perfect.
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Quote: "i did buy it from a market"


this could perhaps, just maybe be the root of the problem, don't you think?

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i-tunes is the easiest music player I've ever used and using it with an i-pod is extremely easy, plug it in, let it update itself which takes a few seconds, drag and drop the songs/albums/artists you want from the library and onto the side menu where it has your ipod name, and to delete songs, go into the ipod in the program and select the songs you don't want anymore and click press delete. Simple really

Also, I have less problems with quicktime and itunes than windows media player and real player. Quicktime and itunes load a lot quicker than Win media player, and doesn't slow my PC down if I want to do other tasks while its loading, and Win media player stops responding for a while if I load a video which is annoying, so really Quicktime can't be the buggiest movie player

And ditto to what Rich is saying. The itunes store is much quicker than walking down to MVC, buying a CD and converting it to my PC.

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http://www.apple.com/itunes/download/

Just to get the new version. I really hope you didn't buy it.

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Ouch, paying for the itunes program, bloody scammers, its like I saw someone sell Blender on ebay.

@Saikoro nice sig, Bill Gates does remind me of AH

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Thanks.

Whats strange is that no one seems to notice the BSOD in the background of my image sig... either it doesn't stand out or its not funny

Im no comedian.

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i brought the ipod, not itunes, itunes came with it.
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Yoy mean

'A fatal error has occured, press any key to continue, Windows User'

to me that happens a lot, so I'll agree, "you're not a comedian"

@Anarchist, I don't trust markets for anything but food, the farmers market and international markets are great, but rarely come. However, it still beats ebay.

I would just download i tunes, it shouldn't be as bad as you say it is

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Here, is there any way to configure iTunes to share it's library over a network? See I have a desktop and a laptop and I've only set up iTunes (properly) on the desktop. Can I copy over my library informations to the laptop (baring in mind all the music is on a shared network drive)?

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omg and the music cards # pells off when you scratch the silver crap off so you waste 15 dollars... Plsu those GD ipods cost SOOOO much useless money... I have a shuffel....The only way to get itunes song to another mp3 is to hook up a microphone wire and record it...

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I think iTunes is OK, but the most annoying part about it is its format support. You have to convert things between some very bizarre formats (especially for video) - and instead of displaying an error for unrecognised formats, it simply doesn't do anything , and spits it back out, which is sometimes quite fustrating

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I don't have an ipod but I decided to see what the whole itunes scene was about. I don't exactly see it as a nice media player, I find the likes of Winamp and WMP a lot nicer to use. I just hate the look of itunes and the amount of resources it uses. I also like docking WMP to the taskbar, don't know how I could live without that!

Another thing, you can't actually install Quicktime without itunes, nor install itunes without quicktime. This has begun to annoy me. I know that itunes has a dependancy for quciktime though I see no reason why Quicktime should need itunes. I just make do with neither now, and convert all my quicktime downloads to wmv or avi.

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Quote: "I guess Apple developers just aren't too hot at doing PC ports"


It's not the PC port, its just overall slooooow. Even on my G4 1.67.

Aside from being slow to respond, I love iTunes. And I'm still working on my Java iTunes clone, which substitutes support for AAC with OGG Vorbis instead. I'd like to add ipod support and i think i will get it at some point.

I had a 4gb ipod mini, but sold it. I'd never use it really.

Quote: "The itunes store is much quicker than walking down to MVC, buying a CD and converting it to my PC."

but the cd doesn't have DRM.


Quote: "Here, is there any way to configure iTunes to share it's library over a network"

Preferences -> Sharing

Anything on your network can now stream music from that computer's library.


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Itunes can do that too.

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Quote: "Itunes can do that too. "

So it can! Yay, now I can cross it off my list of 'The 20 things I hate most about itunes'

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So would it be a '19 Things I hate most about Itunes' list? Or did you add another item on it to make it to?

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if you want an alternative iPod program, try downloading Ephpod, works well with my Win98 system too
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Quote: "So would it be a '19 Things I hate most about Itunes' list? Or did you add another item on it to make it to? "


Nah, the list was 'The 20 things I Most hate about itunes'. Naturally, one of the points that didn't make it to the top 20 will assume it's place .

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anarchist, there probally is a IPOD hack for media loading, there are so many hacks out there anyways.

As a note, name ONE free player that IS hard to use. Just click the song you want to play and it plays.

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For those of you who hate Quicktime, google 'quicktime alternative'

For those of you who hate Real Player, google 'real player alternative'

And iTunes is pretty easy to use, but I wish there was a way to share my music with people *outside* my LAN, so I could listen to my MP3s from work. Oh well :-P


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SHOUTcast server.

Thing I hate about iTunes now is how they bundle quicktime with it, and you can't download either one individually.


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Quote: "Thing I hate about iTunes now is how they bundle quicktime with it, and you can't download either one individually."


And that would be the only thing for me to hate about iTunes. And how can anyone find it COMPLICATED? Come on!


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It's certainly not complicated, I'll give it that. I fail to see how anyone could struggle to use it.

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I think iTunes is pretty easy to use. Or maybe it's because I only use it for music playback and not much else (ripping/burning, managing the iPod, etc).

Of course, I only use it mainly because it sorts all my songs neatly into folders for me. If not for that, I'd be using fb2k ^_^

iTunes - for sorting
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Thing I hate about iTunes now is how they bundle quicktime with it, and you can't download either one individually.
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That's Because Itunes uses quicktime some how while it runs..... I believe.

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No, you *can* download Quicktime without iTunes, and vice versa. I have before--- it just takes a bit of googling.

And like I said, do a search for quicktime alternative and show Apple that you won't put up with their bloated software, all the while happily playing Quicktime movies.


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You used to, I think prior to v.6

A lot of Apple media stuff I believe is based on the QT libraries. I can use QT features in java, but it requires QT to be installed on that machine as the library is just a wrapper for all the dlls


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Quote: "Thing I hate about iTunes now is how they bundle quicktime with it, and you can't download either one individually."

Yup, I hate it to. I want to install Quicktime for something, but I can't because the iTunes installation fails for some odd reason.

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tell me about it, i had to get someone to actually show me where the download standalone quicktime button was, how lame is that, and i hate it when sites only have .mov`s cause thats like premoting quicktime which is lame, cause they need there own 'special' shortcuts which are totally different to all the other media players, or how some movies dont ever buffer and you must wait for the whole thing to download, grrr, but ive never used itunes so i will greeve for you, but no i wont .

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You don't have to download the iTunes / QT bundle. Although it is the 'default' on the Apple site when you go into the QuickTIme section, you can actually get the stand-alone QT package too:

http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/standalone.html

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the problem with the alternative players, is that they don't tend to handle the streaming (correct me if i'm wrong). I tried the real alternative, but it was a bit clunky.

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Weird, I've never had an alternative streaming problem. I also downloaded a mega codec pack with all the alternatives and pretty much all of the major (and some rare) codecs together in a nice install. It saved me a lot of time


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Rich, I tried installing ITUNES without QT, but the thing yelled at me till heavens end to install QT.

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Thanks rich.

It's not that I didn't want to download quicktime, its that I wanted the newer QT without the newer iTunes cause I hate it. I run iTunes 4.9 and have no plans to ever go beyond that. I even keep 4.9 install in a safe place just incase.


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