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re faze
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Posted: 26th Apr 2006 03:35 Edited at: 26th Apr 2006 04:41
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the vote is being taken this wednesday. basically this is the slippery slope to privatizing the internet and leading to pay per email systems and the works. send a letter to your senator now, as november's on the horizon, and its almost certain that you can still sway them. otherwise... before you know it, youll need a licence to own a website...
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Subject: Congress is selling out the Internet

Hi,

Do you buy books online, use Google, or download to an Ipod? These activities will be hurt if Congress passes a radical law that gives giant corporations more control over the Internet.

Internet providers like AT&T and Verizon are lobbying Congress hard to gut Network Neutrality, the Internet's First Amendment. Net Neutrality prevents AT&T from choosing which websites open most easily for you based on which site pays AT&T more. Amazon.com doesn't have to outbid Barnes & Noble for the right to work more properly on your computer.

Politicians don't think we are paying attention to this issue. Many of them take campaign checks from big telecom companies and are on the verge of selling out to people like AT&T's CEO, who openly says, "The internet can't be free."

The free and open Internet is under seige--can you sign this petition letting your member of Congress know you support preserving Network Neutrality? Click here:

http://www.civic.moveon.org/save_the_internet

A list of all the ways you might be affected by Net Neutrality is located on the bottom of this link: http://civic.moveon.org/alerts/savetheinternet.html

Thanks!
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Milkman
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Posted: 26th Apr 2006 04:17 Edited at: 26th Apr 2006 04:24
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This is terrible... It's another step in hampering mankind's basic freedom of speech. Every single human being should have the right to openly and freely express their thoughts, ideas, and beliefs with others through almost any means they wish to, without having to pay others for that right... This especially includes the internet, which I see as a great new median for the global exchange of ideas and information.

Okay, I may have gone a little overboard, and I didn't even fully read the article, but this is my inital reaction to this... Don't take it from me though, decide for yourself.


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hmm issue is, most americans are to lazy to figure out, that in reality we *do* control the nation. If we petition, or if we actually elect people that we can trust, then we can stop this!

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Posted: 26th Apr 2006 04:56 Edited at: 26th Apr 2006 04:58
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It'll never pass... well, it better not >.<


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Posted: 26th Apr 2006 05:33 Edited at: 26th Apr 2006 05:34
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ill be on the streets with a death wish if they do.

no but seriously please write your senator, the vote is coming around next wednesday and if we dont do something now, there will most definitely be problems.

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Im australian, it would be pointless to try an curb the internet as such, the rest of the world would just ignore those sites and find or create alternatives.

pay per view is now pay for the speed.

New companies with different structures would be created, its the law of business, find a niche market and control it.

The internet is far larger then USA borders and there is 5 clever people for every one person that leaves.

Verizon & AT&T might get a rude shock when a player from another country starts to usurp their plans.

Sure the american military was the petree dish for the internet, its grown beyond the control of one organization however.

As a consumer you can vote with your wallet as well.

Im currently linked the largest australian isp telstra, but i was linked to optus, an american giant connected to road runner iirc.

I feel sorry for some yanks, some of their kinsmen are downright selfish luza material.

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Quote: "hmm issue is, most americans are to lazy to figure out, that in reality we *do* control the nation. If we petition, or if we actually elect people that we can trust, then we can stop this!"


The thing is, there are no politicians presented to us that can be trusted.

Any politician I would trust couldn't afford to run for office, so there you are. We get stuck choosing between the lesser of many evils, only to end up with a bad apple anyway.

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Posted: 26th Apr 2006 06:54 Edited at: 26th Apr 2006 06:54
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that and these are multi national companies so the problem could extend well beyond us borders.

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most people with a brain wouldnt pay a company like that, your wallet is your own ticket to vote. alternatives would pop up, they dont have control of the internet, just control on their content. content is sublime and can me moved and copied to other servers. new content areas could also be setup and filled with just the same useless garbage the first company tries to peddle.


were you formally shawn swift? re faze.

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I think we should all launch satellites and make an un-regulated internet. That would rock so much. But I dont know how to make satellites . Oh well, thats what, how you say, "uni" is for.

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Quote: "most people with a brain wouldnt pay a company like that, your wallet is your own ticket to vote. alternatives would pop up, they dont have control of the internet, just control on their content. content is sublime and can me moved and copied to other servers. new content areas could also be setup and filled with just the same useless garbage the first company tries to peddle.
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yes that's until companies begin to try to control the lines and block ports and censor access to web pages and webservers.

Quote: "were you formally shawn swift? re faze."

nope, i started as Xperiment627,and then was Greed for a while, but after my avitar disappeared (I shouldnt have been leaching anyways :S), i finally became Re-Faze (that unbeatable boss from phantasy star IV for all of your oldies, and lovers of old-skool stuff out there)
I thought mods could see all of that stuff though?, guess you guys arent all powerful

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we can see many factors about your connections, but it pays to ask first since your IDE had swift in it, I figured you were akin to that user.

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Posted: 26th Apr 2006 10:11
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The thing is, AT&T *does* have a point in this whole mess. Google and Microsoft, perhaps the Internet's two largest entities, suck up more bandwidth than any others, and they don't pay any more to use AT&T's pipes, fiber optics, etc. than anyone else.

I'm not saying I agree with this, just that they do have a point. And yes, the US does control the Internet, as they are the ones who delegate the central domain name servers and top-level domain names systems.


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Posted: 12th May 2006 04:23 Edited at: 12th May 2006 06:00
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please dont let this slide to the back of your minds

http://www.civic.moveon.org/c4/netblog/index.html[img][/img]

[img]http://www.savetheinternet.com/images/save-thenet.png [/img]
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Oh darn...

My rep. is Markey, but all those yes's for COPE...

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Posted: 12th May 2006 06:00 Edited at: 12th May 2006 06:01
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Quote: "My rep. is Markey, but all those yes's for COPE... "

Uh.. what?

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Oh, I was looking as savetheinternet.com...

this thingy...http://www.savetheinternet.com/=tally

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Posted: 12th May 2006 13:01
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Quote: "pay per email systems and the works"


This has nothing to do with pay per email, any email provider can implement that at any time (but then who would use it?). The example provided mentions AOL's proposed system which would allow people to pay a fee to bypass AOL's spam filter and have thier emails sent straight to the inbox of AOL users. The only relevancy of this to the article (and issue) at hand is that AOL's internet service blocked users from accessing a website that was protesting against the system.


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that's where it starts. before you know it, every isp and their mother will 'sanatize' the internet.

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i can't see it happening, the net is too big and basically made up of servers all over the world, from ISP servers to the server sitting in some person's basement. The net started out as a free based service, if the FCC takes control of it then it will be harder to regulate because people will begin hosting thier own mini-ISP servers. Where there is a will there is a way, so i guess what i'm saying is that if they regulate the net, we'll all just have to get together and create our own little net. If i know our government, its probably just way to make it easier to monitor their own citizens.

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"most americans are to lazy to figure out, that in reality we *do* control the nation"


Steve J im sorry but what the HELL douse that mean

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Quote: "Steve J im sorry but what the HELL douse that mean"


I think he means that regardless of what the government may do, we always have the power to overturn it by voting. Although I'm slightly offended by the "lazy" statement .

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ah.

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It's true though, not all of us are lazy, but look at the poll rates. Granted some people don't know enough about the topic and therefore shouldn't vote on it, but doesn't that mean they should read up?

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Because AT&T and Verizon control the internet?

Nah, AT&T and Verizon would have to annoy just 1 wrong person with this and their site could be gone in seconds, hows that for marketing - no website to plunder with. That's the long and the short of it, we control the internet, not corporations - our money is the deciding factor in this, and when control gets taken away we'll just take it back.
Put this way, a dozen spam filters on the market, and only 1 blocks all the 'paid entry' spam, which one would you buy?. Companies make money because we let them, it's hard to get at someones wallet while your standing on their neck. There's no such thing as evil corporations, it's mostly just evil marketing departments with ideas and statements that just alienate the customers with a clue.

It's a shame, but heavy PC users are a minority on the internet these days, most people have a £250 Dell and 2mb broadband, yay, Joe Public is on that interweb - let's see if we can charge them for sunlight.

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AT&T laid the wires in the first place, so technically they do have more say than any other company IMHO.

I just finished reading an article about how if every one of the Internet users watched streaming TV on the net, that it would basically "clog". While I think a two-tiered Internet sucks (mainly because I use a lot of bandwidth), I think it might have to be put in place.


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yeah but what happens when they start trying to filter out web sites and try to 'sanatize' the internet. it might be fine for china and the middle east but i dont want a sanatized internet.

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stupid stuff like this always surfaces every year or two, it'll never get past the house, or doubtfuly the committee. Prob. just a noob congreas man looking for press.

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From the recently locked thread (after it had been locked) http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=79735&b=2
Quote: "You guys are acting like you have a fundamental right to the Internet--- guess what, you don't. The companies that actually laid the wires and pipes into the ground--- hundreds of thousands of miles, think they should get a bigger piece of huge site's revenue (Google, Microsoft, Amazon, etc.). To play the devil's advocate, why should Google be getting what is a "free" ride?

And like that guy in the video said (Timothy Wu I think his name is)-- is that if you were the gatekeeper to the Internet, why *wouldn't* you want to do this?

And Phaelax--- you try making your own private Internet when AT&T, etc. actually physically own the cables you use to send data. What, you're going to lay your own wire across America? "


It's a little low-handed to comment like that after a thread has been locked so nobody can argue with you isn't it?

The point is, it's not about charging big web monsters money for being big web monsters, it's about the end-user not having the freedom to surf the websites THEY want to surf. People don't want "preferred" websites shoved in their face b/c that is an AOL tactic. AOL, need I say more?. The "little guy" publisher on the internet will no longer have an equal chance at getting noticed anymore b/c he hasn't shoved a million dollars down AT&T's pocket.

The internet has been called "The great equalizer", b/c of the freedom of opportunity it offers. A poor man from Kansas can be revered more than a millionaire from New York based on the content he provides.

It's not about charging more to websites who use more bandwidth, it's about the future public dealing with restricted access to information that is now readily available.

All for a dollar.


Quote: "is that if you were the gatekeeper to the Internet, why *wouldn't* you want to do this?"

Indeed, if you are a multi-millionaire CEO of a media giant, why wouldn't you want to squeeze a few more dollars out of people and restrict the free flow of information? Makes me sick.

Quote: "why should Google be getting what is a "free" ride?"

A free ride? Everyone (well 99%) pays an ISP for access to the internet, and those ISPs have to pay telecom companies for all that bandwidth that gets used by all those users connecting to the ISP. Not to mention google is paying someone for all the bandwidth they use. One study conducted a few years ago placed google's bandwidth fees at ~$150,000 to $200,000 MONTHLY. The telecom companies are getting their money, what difference does it make where each user surfs to? The telecom companies would like you to think that they suffer some kind of lost revenue b/c so many people visit certain sites. Boo hoo, I'm not falling for it.

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I have no problem with a high speed lane, what I have a problem with is things being intentionally blocked or hindered, (ie censoring websites, by either blocking them, or making them have so little bandwidth that they load unreasonably slow), but making a faster internet connection for bandwidth intensive companies at a slightly higher price is no problemo.

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Quote: "It's a little low-handed to comment like that after a thread has been locked so nobody can argue with you isn't it?"


By the way, I didn't lock it. Get off your high horse


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Yay, media companies didn't pay off enough congressmen, so the internet is safe! (for now)

http://news.com.com/2100-1028_3-6077007.html?part=rss&tag=6077007&subj=news



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In reality, this is only a very small victory for us, in the article it describes the reason for the result was to avoid a "turf war" with similar proposed bills.

The legislative mumbo-jumbo is far from over on this issue.

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whew..
(wipes brow and puts gun away)

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