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Arkheii
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Quote: "Overview
This is the Shared Source release for MechCommander 2. This release contains all of the source code and source assets required to build MechCommander 2. This release can be used with the Microsoft XNA Build March 2006 Community Technology Preview (CTP)."


http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=6d790cde-c3e5-46be-b3a5-729581269a9c&DisplayLang=en

File size is almost 1.1 GB.

The EULA: http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=310374&SiteID=1

From what I've read somewhere in the interwebs, this includes all media and binaries along with the source, so it should be all set even if you just want to play the game.

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Posted: 27th Apr 2006 10:31
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at 1GB it better include all media, cause that'd be an insane amount of text!


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Posted: 27th Apr 2006 15:52
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This was slashdotted ages ago:
http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/03/21/221230&from=rss
There are some good comments considering this thing.

What do you think microsoft is going to achieve with this release, oss communitys good thoughts, more income from its compilers, or is it just some world class big conspiracy theory?



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It's Microsoft doing what people like, don't see a problem with that.

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Pimping up XNA apparently.

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So were there any textures in there?
Quote: " It's Microsoft doing what people like, don't see a problem with that."


Neither do I!
This is one of the few good things they have done!
Such as creating the xbox...
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Quote: "Such as creating the xbox... "

I agree in the aspect that the XBOX is now pushing console gamming, but not that the XBOX is better then what we had before.

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Quote: "but not that the XBOX is better then what we had before."


Um, the Xbox is both more powerful than the PS2 and the Gamecube, so, yes it is.


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But I do not agree that it is or ever will be more powerful then the pc.

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Quote: "But I do not agree that it is or ever will be more powerful then the pc."

which pc? don't tell me that every single pc is more powerful than the xbox... especially the 360... it's nicer than my computer, that's for sure...

and you can't just go by the straight system specs for the game system and a pc... because the pc has to juggle the game, your virus scanning, and a jillion "mal-ware" programs at the same time... (not to mention windows XP, 2001, 98, 95, 3.1, or linux, or tiger, or whatever)

the game system is completely dedicated to it's task...

on top of that you couldn't find a $150 (or less even) computer that matches up to the original xbox (in results, not specs)

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Unless you have enough intelligence to manage the resources propperly.

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Quote: "But I do not agree that it is or ever will be more powerful then the pc."


Well a PC isn't a dedicated gaming machine, so you're comparing apples and oranges.... yet again. And if I remember correctly you're still running Windows '98 with 32MB of RAM, so you can't speak on this matter


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Onetoke got pwned on so many levels.

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Once again, teh Jeku does not read as much as he types.

I have a partition of Windows 98 and I am missing several drivers. Thus, I continue to run XP.

Windows 98 takes up SIGNIFIGANTLY less resources then XP and in turn, will run applications better in a resource limited environment.

XP Sucks, Vista Sucks. Microsoft insists in doubling the resource usage with each version of Windows.


As for PC being a different field, look closely at what is being said. The PC IS a gamming platform, and that is the discussion. It doesn’t matter that it wasn’t engineered with the sole purpose of gamming, but that it is widely used as such. (Including other applications).

UNoob, how can a guy who would rather spend 3 hours typing retarded insults talk about pwnage? Take in the fact that the grammar in those insults was horrible, and your logical facilities were extremely limited while ATTEMPTING to create an insult. Get a girl, have some fun, then look back at yourself.

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Posted: 30th Apr 2006 04:42 Edited at: 30th Apr 2006 04:44
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I dont even spend 30 minutes on insults. Obviously you type slow to try and relate the length of my post and the time it takes to type it together. it might take you that long as you live in your own world of flaming, but nobody else. I have bad spelling. Doesnt mean that I cant program, or behave in a logical manner. Have a girl, have fun, and I always look back at what I post, but have no regret.

edit: Jeku, isnt he insulting you? Cant you give him just a slight ban? he annoys everyone...

Oh and at your comments about Jeku not reading the original post in that OS debate. I never remember you EVER saying you had a PARTITION, just that you run win 98.

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I'm sorry, you're right... it wasn't 3 hours...
IT WAS 5

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rofl, you are such a n00b. I dont spend all day on the pc, like you do. I have a job, I watch tv, I go out places with friends, I ride meh bike, and I practice guitar. Merranvo, please get a life.

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Once again, UNoob, I pwn you.

Quote: "I know HP isn't, but the CD had the drivers for XP only, so I can't DOWNGRADE to 98, which is what I wanted. Much more free resources then XP. Idea was to have 98 in a partion on my 80GB HD. 98 did run faster then XP, but I didn't have the drivers, (The HP Driver CD would load the 98 driver installtion, but crash and say that the drivers wern't found)."


And I don't annoy everyone, I annoy you.

http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=67990&b=2&p=2

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no, you annoy everyone. And you didnt factor in my last post, because you knew I was right, and you only make your post about soemthing that goes for you. haha, but you forget the rest of the posts. You basically bickered and annoyed everyone about how you use 98, and argue, even though you were proven wrong.

When you said all that about how it uses too much memory:
Quote: "Actually RAM comes out faster then the processors. But that is not the point."


YOU Said that. It was the entire point though.

edit: After re-reading teh thread, you were annoying everyone. Everyone tried to tell you, that you were wrong, but you dont listen, because You Can't Handle The Truth!.

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UNoob .

I never SAID that I AM USING windows 98, I said I would PREFER to.
I said that there were driver error problems prohibiting me from getting 98 working propperly.
I also said that 98 did run a whole lot faster,

And my quote is very cut off, You CAN buy a 4gigs of ram, you CAN buy a MB with 4 ramslots and get 8gigs, but the issue at hand is that the common man has between 512 and 1gig. And XP uses a good 256. Bad Use of Resources. (Then you could also argue the Processor usage if you really want to yack about ram.)

I had a good quarter for me, a good quarter who understood me, and the rest of them... like you.

Also, please get your facts strait before starting up a fire long extinguished... You do not KNOW what the debate was about, yet you persist in instigating it.

Finally, WHAT LAST POST? Like all your other posts you just took a side and cheered. Only once did you make any remark of intelect, and I completly fixed that up... you never replied.

If you really want to debate something, learn to debate. Don't just reply with halfwitted insults with no actual context for the debate. So, unless you are just a flame hungry noob, Mr. Undercover Noob, do not attempt to rekindle this discussion if you can not handle the actual debate going on. For when you do debate, you turn things into an unadulterated flamewar.

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This is a legitimate thread and doesn't deserve to sink into oblivion. This is like FPSC has infected Geek Culture.

You guys are arguing about semantics. Who said this, who said that, how you said it, word definitions... It's pointless pseudo-intellectual garbage.


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Yeah, sorry about that last thread I helped ruin. It's just that OnePost is an overzealous linguistic version of Raven. Sometimes I wish he'd just drop back into the FPSC forums to stay.

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Okay kiddies - stop pulling each others hair, otherwise you'll be sent to your room, and now allowed out for a few days...

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Quote: "Once again, teh Jeku does not read as much as he types."


Haha. I see you still use this "not reading" as your main argument. Nice.

Quote: "but the issue at hand is that the common man has between 512 and 1gig. And XP uses a good 256. Bad Use of Resources."


Here's my main argument to you regarding your OS theories--- take an OS course in University then get back to me.

Quote: "fi you really want to debate something, learn to debate. Don't just reply with halfwitted insults with no actual context for the debate."


You're one to talk. Your main argument, again, is to say that your opponent must not have read the posts properly. You never give up, do you.

Quote: "Windows 98 takes up SIGNIFIGANTLY less resources then XP and in turn, will run applications better in a resource limited environment."


I'll take the OS with the HAL anyday over Win '98 garbage. If you don't know what HAL is, look it up--- it's one of the best concepts to happen to OS', and it uses more resources. Then again, I didn't expect you to already know that...


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Of course if my opponent is illiterate, then I need to tell him to read... Should I cite some examples?

This THREAD. You JUST said that I said I was using windows 98 with 32MB of ram, even though many times in that thread I stated that I was running XP... where you got 32mb... I have no clue... strange...


Quote: "here's my main argument to you regarding your OS theories--- take an OS course in University then get back to me."

You seriously need to learn to debate...
Your argument is that you are too lazy to conterdict any of my arguments so you want to send me to another person to argue with.
(Mis-interpretation, yes, but you are sending me outside of the debate room instead of actually debating in it)

Quote: "You never give up, do you. "

Your the one that brought the whole issue up... But besides that, you never actually have debated anything... you just say 'you're wrong'

Quote: "I'll take the OS with the HAL"

That is a very strange wish.


Jeku, why do you reply to this if you never actually say anything worth while? You have a bunch of random quotes up there, and replies that have nothing to do with what is quoted...

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Your HAL comment was very unfunny. HAL stands for Hardware Abstraction Layer. Look that up.


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Quote: "Also, please get your facts strait"

Quote: "Once again, teh Jeku does not read as much as he types."

Quote: "Of course if my opponent is illiterate, then I need to tell him to read"

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Quote: "You seriously need to learn to debate...
Your argument is that you are too lazy to conterdict any of my arguments so you want to send me to another person to argue with."



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Well, back on topic for ONCE:

I've never played the game before, but it's so much like Starcraft that it's scary. It's like a Starcraft Mech addon. It's like they planted a nuke inside of Blizzard and took all of their graphics and sounds.

The sound effects are very nice. I think I'll have to... borrow... some. The rain envirnmental loops and thunder are especially nice. The gunfire and explosions are great, too.


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Posted: 1st May 2006 08:39 Edited at: 1st May 2006 08:41
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Windows 98 is allright, and sometimes runs faster than my friend's XP, but playing games is much easier done on the XP as the 98 is really slow on 64MB RAM for games.

As for X-BOX, I like it just fine, but PS2 is my favorite because it has so many more games to choose from.

p.S>>>That was a fun way to spend my evening --- reading the insults and "debates" if that's what you'd call it.

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I hope Microsoft releases more of the source code for it's games I don't know why they did it, but you can't complain about anything they do for free .

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Finally finished d/ling this thing.

The source is in C++. I skimmed through some of the files and IMO it's quite poorly documented.

All the media is included, except for briefing and in-game cinematics. The little pilot videos are included, though. It's still playable, but unlike my old MC2 experience, this one crashed on me quite often. I'm not sure if this build's just buggy, or my brother hasn't been taking care of his PC.

@Cash: I think it's really different from StarCraft. There are fewer units to manage but there are more factors to consider: line of sight, terrain, sensors, pilot skills, Mech configs, ammo and weapons breaking off, location based damage... heck, you could even force a pilot to eject (good pilots are irreplaceable).

All the sounds are somewhere in the source folder in .wav format. Most of the textures are in .tga format, while the models are in "3DSMax ASCII Export" .ase format. *yoink*

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Quote: "I think it's really different from StarCraft."

It's very different in a lot of ways. However, Starcraft was very slick and stylized. MC2 reminded me tremendously of that style, from the GUI to the sound effects to the slightly digitized woman that says everything (Betty, I believe).

Hey, thanks for the .ase info!



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Mechcommander....

And this is starcraft! HOW DO THEY LOOK SIMILAR??

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Quote: "And this is starcraft! HOW DO THEY LOOK SIMILAR??"

No need to get crazy. MC2 is 3D, so there's clearly a difference. Visually, a huge difference is that you can rotate the camera in MC2 but not in Starcraft.

I think it's hard to argue, though, that they share many stylistic elements.


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the ground looks similar. I just started getting the MW miniatures to strt the battle. Commander looks funky though, if it's released as free source does that make the compiled version free too??

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Yeah, I was just about to ask that


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Quote: "I think it's hard to argue, though, that they share many stylistic elements."


MechCommander/MechWarrior/MechAssault games are based on the Battletech universe which was made back in the 80s IIRC.

Quote: "if it's released as free source does that make the compiled version free too??"


Try bringing this up to your neighborhood games shop ^_^

Cinematics aren't included in the shared source release. Apparently they also removed the multiplayer stuff from both the code and the binary (for security, I think). And this release is quite buggy and unstable. Random crashes, Win XP BSOD, missing sky texture, etc.

I wish I had an XBox, even if only for the MechAssault games.

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