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Wayne
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How do you make standalone bsp and pak and wads that run through DarkBASIC. I don't want to test them in another game, because I DON'T OWN any of those games. I'm looking for an editor that lets me write my bsp and pak and wad, and lets me load it in DarkBASIC....

How did they make the BSP example for darkbasic? CS? Quark?

All help is appreciated. I've been programming for years, I just need a good two weeks to get on top of this dbpro thing.

Wayne
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Shadow Robert
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how many more times do i have to say this DOWNLOAD ONE OF THE BLOODY DEMOS OF WHAT YOU WANT TO USE!

is that quite clear enough?

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Wayne
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Raven...listen!

IS IT POSSIBLE TO MAKE BSPS AND WADS AND PAKS WITHOUT ONE OF THOSE DEMOS! STANDALONE GAMES WITH TEXTURES I MAKE MODELS I MAKE LEVELS I MAKE. I go to school for game design, and I don't want to use someone elses media!!!!!!

Am i Getting though?

Wayne

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Shadow Robert
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grr... i don't think you understand - YOU REQUIRE ATLEAST the demo's to TEST the worlds your work on, as really you should be ONLY using BSP developers FOR the games they're designed for.

It is POSSIBLE to create your own WAD files with Wally (see a below post), it is POSSIBLE to compress to PAK with a Packer Program (search Fileplanet) OR you can using Winzip for PK3 as this is all they are.
It is POSSIBLE to compile your BSP worlds as long as you have the compilers and use the command line to access your levels...

HOWEVER - this would require you using a BSP Editor which exports .map but ALSO requires you to primarily COMPILE a WAD/Directory of textures!
However there are NONE on the market capable of this...

and it ISN'T just the textures you need the games for, you need them to know what Entity sets you can use - as EACH game has a different Entity set!
as the entities are for everything from Starting Points, Doors, Lights, etc... YOU REQUIRE THESE TO MAKE WORLDS

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for someone who has been programming for so long it is just amazing that you can't be bothered to do ANY research on ANY of thise... because the internet is littered with ALL the information you require!

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Wayne
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Okn Raven I'm a nice guy, so I'll explain the difference from a programmer and mod maker.

I write my levels in code, I've never used a BSP before, because I can design my own levels from pure scratch! But I wanted to try it to see if I could speed up my perfomance!

For someone who has been programming as long as I have I can say this: YOU NEVER STOP LEARNING. And yes I do research, but the only stupid question is the one not asked. There's nothing wrong with it.

Wayne

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Shadow Robert
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Posted: 25th Mar 2003 03:14
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you're really begining to bug me here... how about you look up what damn company made BSP in the first place - perhaps your question as a programmer will be answered there a little better eh!

and there isn't any different between a Mod Programmer and a Programmer, you're both working around the same things - just because the majority of Mod Programmers don't change the BSP format to thier needs ... DOES NOT mean that it never happens. Sindrial is a very good example of this!
However it appears that alot of you newbies have grown up with the Mod of Counter-Strike and don't understand there is actually another type of Modifications called Total Conversions - which personally is what i'd class Star Trek Voyager - Elite Forces or Jedi Knight2 under... as they changed the model AND map formats for thier needs.
Don't think you need to make a new executable just to achieve this nither, because as mentioned above Sindrial does this also and uses Quake3 like a Mod would!

and if your using DarkBasic then really you're no different than someone who used to TC or MOD for Quake using QuakeC

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Ok, then don't reply, I don't really care, no one forced you to answer, and there is A LOT of difference between programmers and mod writers. No I don't use just dark basic, but i find it easy, and fun to use. Do not reply back, cause I'm not gonna answer, I was coding long before you knew what a cpu was kiddo, so don't take an attitude, I've been really nice up till now, but you are pushing my last nerve.

Don't reply. Don't answer, DON'T DO A GODDAMN THING! (Well you can have a nice day, but that it!)

Wayne

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indi
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cmon guys.

wayne nvm raven, he has his moments and this is one of them.

take a break for a while.

Practise making your map in any 3d package as long as u create a closed world space using no hole primitves then when the converter is looked at again for better compatability u will find that process easier and more flexible if u dont want to try the other full blown game editors.

http://www.lunarpixel.com

http://www.lunarpixel.com/dt/
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