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musty
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Posted: 2nd May 2006 10:49 Edited at: 2nd May 2006 10:50
Hey, have you people ever thought about the name of the great platformer series "Mario Bros"?
Almost all of you should know that the names of the brothers are Mario and Luigi.I don't know their surnames but I don't think its "Mario". So the name "Mario Bros" is actually a misnomer.
I'd also like to mention the mushrooms and flowers with special powers. Did it ever occur to you that this symbols may have something to do with hallucinogenic substances? The feeling of invulnerability or growth of a limb or the body altogether? (some halucinogenic mushrooms are called the magic mushroom)
Lastly a warning for minors about the dangers of the hallucinogenic mushrooms. You can never be sure about the safety of a mushroom species because of cross breeding and hallucinogenic mushrooms are potentially deadly. Never forget this Croatian proverb :"All mushrooms are edible but some are only once."

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Posted: 2nd May 2006 10:57
Yeah kids, stay away from mushrooms, they make you big, and flash, and cause you to omit this strange little tune, do bee doo bedoop bedoop boop boop - the horror.

You think maybe that if kids are at risk from drugs, that magic mushrooms are probably the most unlikely substance they'd be offered - there's a good safety feature of magic mushrooms, which keeps people away, they're a fungus growing out of the ground, where dogs pee, and worms fart. If you eat them, then the chances are that your drunk.

The cultures surrounding Mario and Nintendo is what enforces it's style, no some strange acid that the developers dropped in the 60's. For drug-inspired games, you only have to look to Jeff Minter - you don't get crazy ideas like that farming yaks you know.

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Posted: 2nd May 2006 11:03
i finaly know why mario wants to pick up the mushrooms!they are drugs!

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Posted: 2nd May 2006 11:15
Mutant Camels, spitting Llamas, sheep in space. Those concepts were used in some of the greatest pieces of software and to produce something so superior you should have a clear mind not a hazy one. But the inspirations for them ... Well that's another story.
When it comes to naming games even a giant as Nintendo can go wrong ( of course Capcom,Konami and Koei also comes to mind).
Donkey Kong is another weird name from Shigeru Miyamato.
I wonder if somebody ever asked Mr. Miyamato about those references in his games.

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Posted: 2nd May 2006 11:42
Apparently it was supposed to be called "Monkey Kong" but the translations went a bit screwy. You know - Kong? King Kong? Monkey? Also apparently it helped them stave off some legal unpleasantness, so kind of handy it came out as Donkey, really.

The thing is - to us, some of the Japanese games can seem downright bonkers (Katamari? That one with the mosquito?) but it's all culture based. It's pretty standard over there, I'd imagine - it's just odd over here.
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Posted: 2nd May 2006 11:57
But Donkey Kong is famous. I mean, ask anyone over 20 who Donkey Kong is, and the chances are they'll know, even people who hate computer games would know. That's the thing, it might not a cool sounding name, in fact it daft, but people remember it's the bad monkey throwing the barrels at you.

I'm not sure it was ever supposed to be Donkey Kong, I think maybe it's like a translation error, like the old arcade racer 'Continental Circus' - now that's a very memorable racing game, even though it should have been called 'Continental Circuit', the translaters obviously didn't consider that there were no clowns and plenty international racing circuits around .

Personally, I've never seen the attraction to Mario as opposed to other stars. I mean, he's a middle aged plumber with a strange relationship with some princess wrench-tease and a obviously envious brother. I think that character design and personality is incredibly important to some gamers, but meaningless to others, I think it's just lucky that Mario got some of the most playable games ever.

I am a big fan of nintendo, but more with games like Pikmin, Animal Crossing, MonkeyBall etc.

As for drug use and computer programming, well coders love dope, it's a proven fact that a massive percentage of coders use marijuana. Like an american software firm introduced drug testing, for about a week until it realised it was loosing all it's programmers, so the drug testing was shelved and the coders given their jobs back . Marijuana is a harmful substance with lots of negative effects, but we don't know everything about it or internal workings of the human brain, who's to say in future EA won't be pumping the smoke through the air-conditioning!.

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Posted: 2nd May 2006 11:58
i fail to see how you can mistake donkey and monkey as in japanese they sound very different, and i dont think you can blame kids for taking drugs because of mario, as im sure you can make lots of stupid comparisons if you dug deep enough.

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Posted: 2nd May 2006 12:02 Edited at: 2nd May 2006 12:40
Regarding Donkey Kong I think I know how this name came to be. Mr. Miyamato's concept was about a stubborn gorilla and his English was not so good so he began to look up some words from a dictionary and he came up with donkey for stubborn and kong for the gorilla. Mr. Miyamato himself told this story about the name of the game.

Quote: " i dont think you can blame kids for taking drugs because of mario"

I agree with you and I am a great fan of the Mario games.
Quote: " Also apparently it helped them stave off some legal unpleasantness"

I don't agree. There was a famous lawsuit between Nintendo and Universal Studios. Universal studios lost the case because it didn't own the King Kong licence. In fact no one did at that time . Universal studios itself had taken RKO (the original company which made the movie King Kong) to the court claimingthat it was a 40 year old film (at 1975) and was public domain.
In 1982 Nintendo won the legal battle about the game and the name of the game wasn't a major issue in that case.

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Posted: 2nd May 2006 12:17
I have compiled a little list of awful game titles.
1) King and Baloon (Namco 1980)
2) Pooyan (Stern 1982)
3) Zzyzzyxx (cinematronics 1982)
4) Kozmik Krooz'r (Midway 1982)
5) Make Trax (Williams Electronic 1981)
6) Devil May Cry (Capcom 2001)
7) Resident Evil (Capcom 1996) etc. etc.
You see, you don't have to be Japanese to give such weird names to your games.

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Posted: 2nd May 2006 13:01 Edited at: 9th May 2006 08:53
"The thing is - to us, some of the Japanese games can seem downright bonkers"

Talk about it! One that I'll never forget was on X-Play on G4TV once--it was a game on an island, where you were in a fighter jet and had to eliminate giant women in bikinis!

But yeah, there you go.


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Posted: 2nd May 2006 13:08 Edited at: 2nd May 2006 13:09
Quote: "a game on an island, where you were in a fighter jet and had to eliminate giant women in bikinis!"

Now think about presenting this concept to some producers.

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Posted: 2nd May 2006 14:14 Edited at: 2nd May 2006 15:10
Actually, it's generally considered that their surname is Mario, making their full names Mario Mario and Luigi Mario.


Quote: "Apparently it was supposed to be called "Monkey Kong" but the translations went a bit screwy. You know - Kong? King Kong? Monkey? Also apparently it helped them stave off some legal unpleasantness, so kind of handy it came out as Donkey, really."


I recall reading that as well. Can't remember where, but probably from the same place as you.


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Posted: 2nd May 2006 16:30 Edited at: 2nd May 2006 16:32
Did those connotations even exist in Japan during the creation of the Mario?

Quote: "That one with the mosquito?"


I wanted to play that!

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Quote: "Question: Where did you get the idea to use as your heroes, Italian plumbers? Where does the name Donkey Kong come from? And where does the name Zelda come from?

Miyamoto: First off on the Italian plumbers, you may recall back in the day in Donkey Kong, Mario was just called Jumpman. And he was really just a carpenter. And that was because the game was set at a construction site. And when we went on to make the game Mario Brothers, we wanted to use the idea of a sewer or a pipe motif for the game so it really made sense for Mario to be a plumber. For the game Donkey Kong I was thinking of something to do with the word Kong which makes you think of apes. I came up with the idea of Donkey Kong because I had heard that the word donkey meant stupid, so I was kind of thinking 'Stupid Ape'. Unfortunately when I sent the game over to America, no one really liked it and didn't think that it meant 'Stupid Ape' and everyone laughed at me; but we went with it anyway. So actually with Zelda we were actually thinking of a good name for the female character and we were thinking of the eternal kind of female name, something that will last a long time. I was talking to a lot of writers on the staff and trying to come up with something good. And actually the idea came from F. Scott Fitzgerald's wife, Zelda. "


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Actually, it's generally considered that their surname is Mario, making their full names Mario Mario and Luigi Mario.
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That is correct. According to the Super Mario Brothers Super Show, their names are inded Mario Mario and Luigi Mario.

But even so, it is unusual to name somebody "Mario Mario". Perhaps they didn't spend more than 3 minutes coming up with a full name for one of the most famous video game characters of all time.
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I believe at the beginning it was a misnomer. When some people realized it and began to raise their voices they came up with this cheap solution. But they are the creators of the game and owners of the intellectual property so we can not argue.

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Quote: "And actually the idea came from F. Scott Fitzgerald's wife, Zelda."

I knew it wasn't a coincidence. When I first read The Great Gatsby, I saw the dedication to Zelda, and for a moment thought it was talking about the video game, despite when Gatsby was written.

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Quote: "Also apparently it helped them stave off some legal unpleasantness, so kind of handy it came out as Donkey, really."


Actually, like has been said already, it wouldn't have mattered if Nintendo named it King Kong. Universal did not have the rights to the King Kong name, so they were trying to bully the little guy (Nintendo was quite smaller back then).

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In fact the story in the game reminisces E.A.Poe's The Murders in Rue Morgue. The gorilla in the game isn't a giant gorilla . Only the kidnapped girl part is similar to King Kong but that's a very universal theme (Saving the princess from the dragon etc etc).

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Its the same as the author for Alice in Wonderland, he was high on laudanum, basically a mix of red wine and opiates. they used it for bruised eyelashes as an example of how much it was abused.

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Posted: 3rd May 2006 10:29 Edited at: 3rd May 2006 10:31
Personally I don't believe Mario's popularity has got anything to do with its cultural references or anything like that. It is a great platformer and the game design should be an example to everyone interested in developing his own game. If you compare it to the other platformers of the time you'll see that apart from having superior controls and movements it has great level design and many novelties. Everytime you loose a life in that games you blame yourself and not the game. So this doesn't lead to frustration it only makes you wanna give the game another try. That is in my opinion the sign of a good game.
(Alice in Wonderland is a great piece of literature and among the millions abusing hallucinogenic substances only Lewis Carroll could have created it. So the magic is not in the mushroom.)

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actually mario is the surname, it's Mario Mario and Luigi Mario.

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I believe that Mario was the first name, and the second name was added when people relised that Mario had no Second name, and then realised thet there was a mistake in the title.

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Quote: "I believe at the beginning it was a misnomer. When some people realized it and began to raise their voices they came up with this cheap solution. But they are the creators of the game and owners of the intellectual property so we can not argue.
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Pincho, thats exactly what I think about this case as I've stated 4-5 posts back.

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Well I was just saying who I agree with.

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Well thank you for your support. I can't believe that there are some dim witted people out there who actually buy this story about the Mario surname.

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I'm sure you all know this already, but they named Mario after the landlord of the original Nintendo of America. They were late on their rent and they needed to name the character (shortly after Donkey Kong was released).

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Posted: 5th May 2006 22:48 Edited at: 5th May 2006 22:49
they are drugs yup thats is right their drugs that make kiddes happy I dont no whats so cool about the mushroom its strange And it gives you extra life oh come on mario think better lol

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The first time I remember hearing "Mario Mario" and "Luigi Mario" was in the Mario Bros. movie. , they were standing in line for something and the receptionist or whomever said "Name please" and Mario replied "Mario", she prodded, "Last name sir?", and indignantly Mario responded, "Mario!", as if he had no conception of a last name. He was just Mario.

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Now I'm scared...

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Thank you Izzy545 after all those years finally I am enlightened. Deep inside I knew there was something wrong with this unlikely hero.

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Mario dreams of Raviolo...another useless fact.

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that was amazing... a work of art... lol..

i do like nintendo though

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Heh, check out this: Review of New Mario Bros.
http://ds.ign.com/articles/705/705537p1.html

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Is it me, or does that look like a terribly made Mario game? The least they could have done is leave Mario 2D.

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OH



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Those videos are teh awesomezors!

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Quote: "Is it me, or does that look like a terribly made Mario game? The least they could have done is leave Mario 2D."

Are you CRAZY!?!?! Many of the new gameplay elements are only possible with the help of 3d, and from the review this is the best 2d mario yet. It looks amazing, and the massive development time definietly paid off.
Sorry, I just feel really strongly about this game. It looks amazing... It's awesome that the best 2d sonic and mario are now on the DS...

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Quote: "For the game Donkey Kong I was thinking of something to do with the word Kong which makes you think of apes. I came up with the idea of Donkey Kong because I had heard that the word donkey meant stupid, so I was kind of thinking 'Stupid Ape'. Unfortunately when I sent the game over to America, no one really liked it and didn't think that it meant 'Stupid Ape' and everyone laughed at me; but we went with it anyway"


Good thing too, because we all know Donkey Kong becomes a good character.


Quote: "But even so, it is unusual to name somebody "Mario Mario". Perhaps they didn't spend more than 3 minutes coming up with a full name for one of the most famous video game characters of all time."


I'd wager that at the time, they didn't realise he was going to be so popular.


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Actually, if memory serves, the name "Mario" comes from NOA's landlord, back in the day. This is back when they recieved the arcade cabinets for that one game, and then changed them over to the classic we all know and love. Anyway, I think they were renting out a warehouse at the time, and when trying to come up with a name for the hero, their landlord interrupted the meeting and his name was Mario. Hence, the name.

This can be checked in your local library. Look for a book named Game Over, which, while older, dicusses how Nintendo entered the market. Very interesting reading, though I'll warn that sometimes the language gets a bit carried away.

Anyways, long live the greatest of plumbers Take that, Culligan man!

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I know, I wrote about this a few posts above yours

Mario was their landlord, and he let them pay late for a few months. Mario's original name was Jumpman--- in Donkey Kong.

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