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Geek Culture / [LOCKED] whats a trojan? also what is a worm??

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David iz cool
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Posted: 5th May 2006 17:03
i know there viruses right? but what exactly do they do to your pc?
also if i had one,which i dont. what would be the best way to get rid of them??
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Posted: 5th May 2006 17:13 Edited at: 5th May 2006 17:14
Quote: "but what exactly do they do to your pc?"

It would be better to ask what cant they do...

Quote: "also if i had one,which i dont. what would be the best way to get rid of them??"

If you had one, your life would be ruined*, and the best way would be to get a new hard drive, and installed Windows XP. And GET A BETTER ANTI VIRUS PROGRAM!!!



*may not actually be ruined

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Drew the G
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Posted: 5th May 2006 17:27
Wow Flappy, you are a hardcore idiot.

Trojan - A type of malicious software that masquerades as a useful program or file to gain the user's trust and be opened is called a Trojan horse or trojan. Once opened, it executes malicious computer code.

Worm - A computer worm is a self-replicating computer program, similar to a computer virus. A virus attaches itself to, and becomes part of, another executable program; however, a worm is self-contained and does not need to be part of another program to propagate itself. They are often designed to exploit the file transmission capabilities found on many computers. The main difference between a computer virus and a worm is that a virus cannot propagate by itself whereas worms can. A worm uses a network to send copies of itself to other systems and it does so without any intervention. In general, worms harm the network and consume bandwidth, whereas viruses infect or corrupt files on a targeted computer. Viruses generally do not affect network performance, as their malicious activities are mostly confined within the target computer itself.

Norton Anti Virus is what I would recommend, but if that does nothing, reinstall windows

Hope that helped

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Posted: 5th May 2006 17:36 Edited at: 5th May 2006 17:37
Quote: "Norton Anti Virus is what I would recommend"

And you can me an idiot ? Recommending Norton is certifiable...

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David iz cool
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Posted: 5th May 2006 17:40
thanks! i heard,another forum i visit is having problems with this right now.someone hacked the whole forum,and anyone visiting the forum dl the worm also it sent emails to all members.

be careful out there.
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Posted: 5th May 2006 17:42
Wow! Someone was asleep when they were handing out security lectures...

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Posted: 5th May 2006 17:49
Most things can be removed so long as you can get on the net, and find the right cure.

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Posted: 5th May 2006 17:52
Most trojans are time bombs that get highly strategic access to your PC first and then strike - these programmers should really program strategy game AI. Maybe then there would be a challenge.


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Posted: 5th May 2006 18:32
Quote: "Norton Anti Virus is what I would recommend"


When will people learn. If you only knew how many times I have had to fix a pc because stupid clients installed Norton stuff thinking it will help them. It may protect them well but it makes the pc unusable as it runs so many things the pc just crawls at the speed of a tortoise on crutches.

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Posted: 5th May 2006 18:37
I can't believe nobody's made the obvious 'trojan'/'worm' joke yet

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Posted: 5th May 2006 18:41 Edited at: 5th May 2006 18:43
Quote: "When will people learn"

We've had a few clients using NAV - and unfortunately it stops Pervasive from running properly...

However, in the latest Computer Shopper, they though NOD32 was overpriced, and apparently it missed a virus

Cant remember who they recommended... Its why I only buy a AV license for a year - there is usually something better along later

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Posted: 5th May 2006 19:28
trojans are annoying, and norton is alright at defending them, however when I got an anti-virus killer trojan, all it did was quarantine it and not kill it. However viruses have got passed norton when I used it, and its a pain in the but when using for me, very slow, and my firewall slows my PC down enough without Norton making it worse, and I still had an unsolvable problem then

@Drew, refrain from calling people idiots, its offensive and as a mod Flappy can retaliate in better ways than the regular forum user. As nothing the he said was idiotic

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Drew the G
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Posted: 5th May 2006 20:23
@ Musashi
Look, if all he can do to solve his problems is to ban me from my petty insults then let him. I mean, first of all, he has no brains to attemptp to work out his problems. And you also stated nothing he said was idiotic..

Quote: "If you had one, your life would be ruined*, and the best way would be to get a new hard drive, and installed Windows XP. And GET A BETTER ANTI VIRUS PROGRAM!!!"


That isn't idiotic? Then what is? I mean, he posted that your life would be ruined. And geez, why all of a sudden are you picking on me?

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Posted: 5th May 2006 20:25 Edited at: 5th May 2006 20:28
AVG is a great anti-virus program, and it's free for personal use. Just use google or whatever search engine you prefer and search for "AVG Free" to get it. I use it and I only get a few security problems now and again (including one really horrendous bug about a week ago). Anyway, a lot of anti-spyware programs can detect trojans and worms, too. Spybot S&D, Ad-Aware, Spysubtract, and Windows Defender are all great at hunting down and systematically irradicating harmful pests in your computer... and all of them are free, too. But be warned: Windows Defender is, like every other Windows application, a serious resource hog that refuses to close when you ctrl-alt-delete. But here's my tips for avoiding trojans, worms, adware, spyware, and malware:

1. Don't steal. Some people are idiots, and those idiots put "song" files and "movie" files on the net that are infested with viruses. It's happened to me, and since then I haven't been a cheapskate and I've actually bought all the music I listen to or the movies I watch

2. Don't open e-mails from people you don't know. That should be obvious I'd hope. Also, don't open any e-mail that has a file attached to it, even if it's from a close personal friend, unless you already knew that attached file was being sent. If a friend sends one and you weren't expecting it, email him or her and ask if they intended to attach a file.

3. Don't send or read forwarded e-mails. This has nothing to do with viruses... they're just obnoxious and I want to try and bring them to an end!

4. Don't look at pornographic sites without a pop-up blocker. Some people laugh, and others need an explanation. Some prOn sites use ActiveX to try and sneak stuff onto your hard drive and some really ugly viruses can manifest that way. Most people who visit naughty sites are smart enough not to accept downloads or grant access when prompted, but others aren't that bright

5. Don't download anything from any websites that don't appear to be trustworthy. That's a given, but some people need to be told... I'm not saying you're dumb or anything, but if someone who IS dumb finds this thread, that tidbit might actually teach them something

edit: While I don't agree with Drew's methods (ever, lol), I'm sort of agreeing with him in that Flappy, as a mod, should have been a little less dramatic and a little more helpful. But that's just my opinion. I haven't had a virus infect my computer that was bad enough to warrant a hard drive format since Windows 98 was still cool


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Drew the G
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Posted: 5th May 2006 20:35
Quote: "While I don't agree with Drew's methods (ever,"


What do you mean you don't "ever"?

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Posted: 5th May 2006 21:00 Edited at: 5th May 2006 21:05
Quote: "That isn't idiotic? Then what is? I mean, he posted that your life would be ruined. And geez, why all of a sudden are you picking on me?"

And didn't you read the non-disclaimer at the bottom ? Obviously not... I suggest you read things carefully next time.

And peoples life can get very problematic if they get a virus - and which point they need to re-install Windows and hope they've got a backup of their important stuff...

One of our old customers (AAC Spectrum as they used to be called) phoned me one day - as some of their people were going around deleting Windows files 'cos an e-mail told them it contained a virus... The IT chap was not very happy with his computer users.

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Posted: 5th May 2006 21:04
What you said was irrelevant and unhelpful, no matter how useless the original post was. Nor was what you said in any way amusing. I would of expected better from a mod personally.

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Posted: 5th May 2006 21:07 Edited at: 5th May 2006 21:08
On the contary a reformat is sometimes needed especially if its badly infected.

Virus are not amusing anyway, so he got straight information. If you dont like it then, tough.

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Drew the G
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Posted: 5th May 2006 21:13
Well yes but you could have been more respectful as a mod.
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Posted: 5th May 2006 21:16
Quote: "Wow Flappy, you are a hardcore idiot."


At least he didn't copy and paste entire paragraphs from Wikipedia.com and pretend that he typed them and knows everything

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Posted: 5th May 2006 21:43
Quote: "Well yes but you could have been more respectful as a mod."

I was.

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