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Geek Culture / Old Laptops

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NeX the Fairly Fast Ferret
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Posted: 6th May 2006 00:46
I personally find it hard to believe that a black and white laptop running a 25mhz 486 was once top of the range. I found it today, blew the dust off it and removed the battery (it leaked), but I don't have a power supply (getting one soon). I had a funny idea. I'm going to take the lid off, do some mods (super cooler fan) and overclock it to 5GHZ. Will this work? There's no model number on it (rubbed off), but by the looks of it its a 1980s Trigem Gem Lite. Anyone overclocked an old pc to insanity before?


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Posted: 6th May 2006 00:49
If that was possible we would have thought of that ages ago.

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Posted: 6th May 2006 00:52
@ NeX, you cant be serious

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Posted: 6th May 2006 01:00
I hope so

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Posted: 6th May 2006 01:01
A 486 from the 1980s? That is a find.

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NeX the Fairly Fast Ferret
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Posted: 6th May 2006 01:11 Edited at: 6th May 2006 01:22
I think, anyway... It was installed with DOS and quite screwy. SOMEHOW they pulled 3d out of it (although it wasn't tex mapped). Alright, it probably wasn't 1980's, but it was VERY early 90s.


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Posted: 6th May 2006 01:34
regardless, even if you could over clock it to 5ghz, it still wouldnt be a p4, it'd be a fast, then melted, 486.


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Posted: 6th May 2006 01:35
sorry but that is totally impossible

an intel 3.8Ghz running with superwatercooled wont peak any higher than 4.8 i believe. the old athlon xp 3000+ (2167mhz) doesnt go higher then 3.1 or 3Ghz which is the world record but required some seriously insane and expensive mods

an old 486 i say wont even overclock due to the crappy bios. i have overclocked an old 266mhz but i think ~10 and that was all i could get so sorry to ruin ur dreams

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NeX the Fairly Fast Ferret
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Posted: 6th May 2006 01:36 Edited at: 6th May 2006 01:37
Oh well, I'll overclock it as far as I can then.
And the 5GHZ was an exadduration.


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Posted: 6th May 2006 01:41
Um well if the bios even lets you i guess u can hit 5Mhz higher... maybe 6 if ur lucky lol

have you ever OC'd before?

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NeX the Fairly Fast Ferret
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Posted: 6th May 2006 01:43
Yeah, my GFX card by 1GHZ... I had to turn it back down before it fried though.


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Posted: 6th May 2006 02:12
wait ur gfx card GPU or mem?

btw i can oc.. anyone can oc a gfx card its simple but overclocking cpu's have much more to do with them. RAM speeds and maker, Mobo, bios, vcore, vram, chipset voltage can make a worlds of a difference. with gfx cards, all u gotta do is gradually move a slider till it peaks bc of heat issues and others but cpus are different

my x850xt is at 567/1187 (max any x850 can hit). Stock is 520/1080 but all i did was move a slider, add a fan, increase fan speed. i didnt have to change voltages and ram or anything else.

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Posted: 6th May 2006 02:45
I'm pretty sure they tried this at MIT a few years ago... overclock an ancient processor by overriding the BIOS and going straight for the cold via super-cooling. I remember reading an article about that back in 2002 or so. I think a few of their teams were able to get them up to 1 GHz or so... but there's a few issues you'll need to recognize immediately before attempting this:

1. Cooling. Shy of building a space ship and flying to Pluto's surface and trying this outdoors at night in Pluto's winter, the cooling is going to be extremely hard to do. The faster the processor computes data, the hotter it gets... most modern processors are built for overclocking and won't let themselves speed up beyond a PNR. Older processors however aren't like that, and that's why the 386/ 486 era of intels were the golden redneck age because people back then were trying all sorts of wacky stuff to overclock processors. If you have access to something like liquid nitrogen, give it a try... why not

2. Bussing. The old processors couldn't bus information like modern ones, and unlike overclocking the processor speed, there's nothing you can really do about that. So even if you do manage to get the processor up to 1 GHz or beyond, the true effective speed will be hindered by it's relative slow bus speed.

3. Old processors aren't designed for modern multitasking. Back in the day, you ran one program off of the big black 5.25" floppy drives at a time... you couldn't play a game and have calculator and notepad underneath them running at the same time (especially considering that those things didn't exist. I don't know if an old processor, even if overclocked, can multitask like that... can it?


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Jeku
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Posted: 6th May 2006 02:51
A 486 processor can multitask easily. After all, Win '95 would run on it just fine.

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Posted: 6th May 2006 02:56
Oh yeah! Good point... I forgot about that, hehe. For whatever reason I was assuming Win95 started with the Intel 90's. But what about Bus speed... would it be fast enough to even be worth it?


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Posted: 6th May 2006 06:51
not really, but i dont know if he means hes increasing bus speed times multiplier or just raising the multiplier. like is the older cpus like newer ones (FBSxMultiplier) and ect. [200x10 = 2000 mhz]

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Posted: 6th May 2006 08:53
Quote: "A 486 from the 1980s? That is a find."

I have one 286 Laptop.
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Jeku
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Posted: 6th May 2006 21:27
I didn't even know they made 286 laptops

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Posted: 6th May 2006 21:58
Neither did I... are you kidding Vader? Who made it?


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Posted: 7th May 2006 03:32
Hmmm... around the time we had a 386 (slightly outdated to the 486 and soon after we got it the first pentiums) my brother got a laptop from my aunt. Now most people just dont give their computers away unless thay are relatively old. This thing had a greyscale screen it was sweet. I don't know what speed it was, but I'd imagine it was about a 286 to a 386 considering the time we got it.

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Posted: 7th May 2006 04:11 Edited at: 7th May 2006 04:11
My dad used to have this beast for his work
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I got caught playing leisure suit larry ont it and banned from all use ahh glorious orange graphics with a mild hint of softer than soft porn.

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Posted: 7th May 2006 04:29
Liesure Suit ROCKED back in the day, especially the tropical vacation one that ACTUALLY had sex in it, lol


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Posted: 8th May 2006 02:23 Edited at: 8th May 2006 02:27
Quote: "1. Cooling. Shy of building a space ship and flying to Pluto's surface and trying this outdoors at night in Pluto's winter, the cooling is going to be extremely hard to do."


It's a 25mhz 486, many 486 didn't even need a heatsink. Chances are it will start producing loads of errors long before heat is a problem. If it does start to get warm a modern heatsink/fan will take care of it. Compared to the old processors modern ones produce a massive amount of heat.

Overclocking options in the bios is a new thing. Back then you had to use jumpers on the motherboard. Most of them only allowed to to select speeds for existing processors. If you want to do anything else you will have to replace componants on the motherboard.

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Posted: 8th May 2006 02:52
winch makes a good point, back then everything was set thru jumpers on the mobo and all of the combinations for the core and clock multipliers only would range to the current processors. You couldn't excede these limitations as you can with "soft" settings these days.

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