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Geek Culture / [LOCKED] I was banned from punkbuster :(

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alex 1337
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Posted: 6th May 2006 18:17
OK, well before a friend and I were able to find a way to inject a perfectly legal dll into America's Army for computer. This dll was able to give us basically all the powers of an admin on any server However, today, when I turned on my computer and tried playing on a new server, I got banned from pb for all my games. Yes, that means all the bf games as well. Does anybody know how to get unbanned??? I promise I wont try to hack again.
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Posted: 6th May 2006 18:29
Your hardware has been banned.

He who lives by the sword, dies by the sword. There is no unbanning, it would defeat the whole ethos of Punkbuster.



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Posted: 6th May 2006 18:46 Edited at: 6th May 2006 18:46
I'm not entirely sure of the legality of being banned from an online service for which you've already paid . You paid for a game, so you should get the service. I agree that there should be penalties for people who cheat, but banning seems very heavy handed, not to mention questionable.

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iv tryed everything!!!!!!!!!! could u please just add The gun and shooting Code thats All!!!!!!!!!
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Posted: 6th May 2006 18:47 Edited at: 6th May 2006 18:48
you could possibly try to email punkbuster, aa, and bf makers, ect. about your situation and try to work something out about unbanning for the other games because you have done nothing wrong with them

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no see when you are banned, you are just unable to play on pb servers but you can still play the game in its perfect form. thats the trick and thats why its legal.

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Posted: 6th May 2006 18:59
There is a way to unbann,

1)Get me a pie,(i like pie)

2)Bring some cookies!

3)OK now we can start.

4)Smack a window on PB main office.

5)Unbann yourself on the computer.

6)Play AA again.

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Posted: 6th May 2006 19:02 Edited at: 6th May 2006 19:19
Quote: "I promise I wont try to hack again. "


Silly thing to say. Now,you write a whitepaper based on the approach taken to "inject" your dll and what technical details you can provide. ports,protocols,OS,language,etc and release it to http://packetstormsecurity.org for the community to learn by and issue the paper to whomever blocked you so that they may learn what the remote flaw is and how to best prevent it in the future.

The paper doesnt need to be high detail and all technical jargon. couple of example exploit papers ive done

http://packetstormsecurity.org/0209-exploits/cgitelnetdbman.pdf

http://packetstormsecurity.org/advisories/misc/Debug_Enviroment_Variables.txt

I say dont plead for mercy but request appreciation for the free service and details to better their security.

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Posted: 6th May 2006 19:04
well if its just your hardware thats banned and not your pb id`s in your other games then its not so bad i guess, but if its both then your stuffed, but serves you right for hacking.

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Posted: 6th May 2006 19:13 Edited at: 6th May 2006 19:20
Quote: "but serves you right for hacking."


Oh,what a crock thing to say. Write the paper and release it to the public.

Hard fast rule, never damage anything.

If you didnt? and release the information for all to learn by to build better software around,then youve done a major service.

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Posted: 6th May 2006 19:23
To be honest hacking is really sad want admin stuff just make a server

Theme park simulator wip boards

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Posted: 6th May 2006 19:27 Edited at: 6th May 2006 19:56
Quote: "To be honest hacking is really sad want admin stuff just make a server"


Youre kidding me,right? And if YOU want technology, go back to using the Abacus. Seems there is no point in learning and progressing in your world.

With that very same mentallity,Windows would still be 95 and NT4, Linux and UNIX would still be a strictly inhouse corporate software, Linus Trevolds should have kept Linux as a personal hobby and ARPA http://www.historyoftheinternet.com/chap4.html should never have made the net publically available, Bob Metcalfe should never have invented Ethernet http://www.svconline.com/mag/brain_shift/index.html and i can easily go on. Need I remind you,Linus and Bob where/are both Hackers.

Do you think for ONE moment that Richard Davey or Lee are not a hackers?

Humour me

http://www.google.com/search?q=hack&btnG=Search&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&domains=http%3A%2F%2Fforum.thegamecreators.com&sitesearch=http%3A%2F%2Fforum.thegamecreators.com

How many "hacks" where done to improve one thing or another and how many "hackers" are you surrounded by in the game development industry.

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Posted: 6th May 2006 20:23
x1b, theres a difference between hacking as in writing code and hacking as in breaking into or altering already binary programs or servers. Two different terms. So, in that case, Davey and Bamber are NOT hackers.

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Posted: 6th May 2006 20:27
Since when was hacking into somebody elses PAID server and stealing their admin rights beneficial to anyone ? It's NOTHING like what you described. There is a large difference between hacking someone's website,gameserver, etc. than hacking your own software.

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Posted: 6th May 2006 20:52 Edited at: 6th May 2006 20:52
Calm down people. We've got a defination problem here - you've busy calling crackers hackers and vice versa.

Rich and Lee fall in the defination of hacker. They wrote a programming language for crying out loud, that's geeky enough for instant hacker-dom. A cracker would do something like what gamemaker alex did, BUT -

alex seems to me more of in the greyhat area. He hasn't done anything "bad" - yet. But he could. Solution? Email the people, give them a description of what you did, and ask them politely to unban you.


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Posted: 6th May 2006 21:15 Edited at: 6th May 2006 21:16
Hawkeye best broke it down and yes, given that nothing was broken, Alex(or his friend) would fall into GreyHat, Rich & Lee into WhiteHat.


Cheers,Hawkeye.


-EOF

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Posted: 6th May 2006 21:55
Quote: "Youre kidding me,right? And if YOU want technology, go back to using the Abacus."

You must be high! To hack someone's server IS NOT the same as programming something in assembly... not even close! There is absolutely nothing to gain from hacking someone's Battlefield server. It's not going to promote industry growth or promote new advances in the science of computer technology. It's just going to get you noob-smacked by punkbuster.

You don't NEED punkbuster to play. Most bans are automatically lifted after three days anyway. But you CAN go to a non-PB or a non-pure server and play to your heart's content It's just that most of the good servers are PB'd.

We should start a TGC clan in Battlefield 1942 Anyone else have Road to Rome and Secret Weapons?


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Posted: 6th May 2006 22:10
I do heheh.

I realize what x1b was trying to do, because I know of the difference between whitehat and blackhat and whatnot hackers/crackers whatever. The really good whitehat ones get a job doing that kind of thing. But to start being offensive without even fully being able to explain yourself was what irked me.

And I also consider using a kiddie script to make you an admin in any server you go on (videogames, of course) a bad thing. He did do something bad by taking away the fairness or control that the original admins had on the server that they more than likely dished out a nice chunk of change for. If you had a website, and someone went on and moved everything around, and ran it as if you were running it as far as powers, you would consider it a bad thing too.

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Posted: 6th May 2006 22:15 Edited at: 6th May 2006 22:38
Quote: "There is absolutely nothing to gain from hacking someone's Battlefield server"



Wrong. how many times has Windows been compromised and reported to then written patches based on the research based on those reports. How many times has CS been compromised, reported, addressed and lead to CS2,whos present anticheat system is built around years of documenting how they're being circumvented,the 1 compromise I posted for and documented and reported to the writer of the software has since rewritten the software with a fix for the security flaw I found and additional steps to prevent remote exploitation.

If the "dll inject" is documented and reported as it should be and the writers respond by writing a patch until an upgrade can be written with the flaw in mind, they become all the wiser and better.

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Posted: 6th May 2006 23:06
All I know is, if I made a BF server (or any server for that matter) and someone hacked it and took it over, I'd be extremely $#@%ed off. It's WRONG, no matter how you think it's justified, and makes you a bigger a-hole than the noob who tk's his whole team right at the spawn with expacks. Hacking game servers is stupid, and only lamers would do it. The ONLY time it might MAYBE be justified is if the actual owner of said server is a noob jerk and has insane rules or something, or just boots people because he likes having that sort of power. Otherwise, hacking a server is a scummy, crumby, jerky thing to do, and I don't rightly care how you pretend to justify it

Okay saikoro, you're in hehe. We just need some more people I'm going to play around with my router some more in a little bit and see if I can get my port forwarding issue sorted, and once I've accomplished that I'll get going on making a server with Road to Rome and Secret Weapons maps... unless some people are opposed to that. And also, I'd like X1B to promise he won't hack it just out of spite for me disagreeing with him lol

What maps should we include? And what kind of rules do you guys like? You know what... I'm gonna make a different thread for this so I don't turn this thread into a BF42 thread lol


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Posted: 6th May 2006 23:10
Quote: "makes you a bigger a-hole than the noob who tk's his whole team right at the spawn with expacks"

OH GOD the fury I feel when people do that. Once someone TK's me on purpose, they don't get to play anymore, because everytime they spawn, they die. Nuff said.

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Posted: 6th May 2006 23:21
hehe that's my kind of vengeance. I think the only thing that ticks me off more than that is deckbombing on Coral Sea... it's so bad that I avoid that map now because of it! How weak of a player do you have to be to deckbomb and sink the carrier before anyone can even fix it? UGH!


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Posted: 6th May 2006 23:38 Edited at: 6th May 2006 23:39
Quote: "I'd like X1B to promise he won't hack it just out of spite for me disagreeing with him lol"


Dont be silly. Youre extremely entitled to your opinion in as much as I am to mine.

Anyhow,guess we're beating a dead horse now.

And yes,yes I promise not to do something so retarded.

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Posted: 6th May 2006 23:41
I don't even bother myself with the carrier. I'm more of a footsolder, anyway My favorite vehicle is the jeep, hehe. I like to call it a portable bomb, especially when you can not only plow enemies with it, but jump out going full speed and have it hit a tank, then finish it off with a rocket. Fun stuff

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Posted: 6th May 2006 23:43
Quote: "I'm not entirely sure of the legality of being banned from an online service for which you've already paid . You paid for a game, so you should get the service. I agree that there should be penalties for people who cheat, but banning seems very heavy handed, not to mention questionable."


Well, you'll have agreed to the T&Cs, which I'm sure stated that you can't modify, reverse engineer or in any other way frig with the game and the ecosystem required to make it enjoyable for everyone else. Just because you paid to go the the cinema, it doesn't mean you can take your own reel in and swap it.



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Posted: 6th May 2006 23:53
My favorite thing to do in secret weapons is get the jetpack and then drive a jeep over a cliff, then bail out of the jeep and jetpack myself to safety it's so bond-ish


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Posted: 7th May 2006 00:12
I say accept your punishment, you know Hacking (I should say 'cracking' as people have had their eats ripped off for using the word 'hacking', but to be honest we all know what we're talking about, who gives a sh*t about the literal definitions) You, hack, you did wrong, they don't trust you for it, you agreed to thier terms when you signed up, you made the risk and I'm afraid you'll have to face up to the terms, like if you were to get banned from TGC, if they start letting hackers off their security won't be as good and the game could be spoilt for everybody. Personally I would say think twice, or even three times before you hack, anything illegal or against any rules.

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Posted: 7th May 2006 00:14
x1b, according to your philosophy... I can hack into every defense grid there is, inject a program that gives the control to me, and then email the governments telling them how I did it and how leet I am.

Do you ACTUALLY EXPECT THAT TO WORK? That is the same as saying that hacking into to bank and screwing the system up, then telling them you can fix it is a NORMAL way to get a job in computer security. That is extortion under my laws. And in this case, the server was not his own.

The only way you can legally crack software is to have permission by the company who made it, else you are just as likely to get sued for breaking the toa then to get praised for finding this weakness. To further it, you need to crack the software on your own computer then to attack it externally, doing so IS NOT within your rights, even with the permission you still have violated the TOA for use of the software, and the permission you were given does not extend beyond your own computer/network.

Of course this is a lowbie hack that they typically won't care about, it is non-damaging to the functioning of the servers and is easy to remove.

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Posted: 7th May 2006 01:56 Edited at: 7th May 2006 03:55
Quote: "x1b, according to your philosophy"



try
Quote: "According to general whitehat/greyhat underground Ethics"
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Quote: "if you're going to do it,damage nothing and let the admin know what the flaw is and how to fix it. if not addressed within a week, then write a paper based on the flaw for public to learn from and release any related exploit code as proof of concept"


Who does such a thing? http://www.securityfocus.com/ these people and far more. been going on for years. far from new.

These are ethics ive lived by since 1993.

If you dont like it? Then ignore it. Nobodys going to care if you think its "g4y" or "l4m3" its going to go on for as long as technology grows.

And rarely have I used an email that is mine and with out bouncing it through varied smtp servers (and yes, you can) and times I have just simply used my personal email. The victim of http://packetstormsecurity.org/advisories/misc/Debug_Enviroment_Variables.txt and http://packetstormsecurity.org/advisories/misc/Debug_Enviroment_Variables.txt both got a direct email from me.

http://www2.packetstormsecurity.org/cgi-bin/search/search.cgi?searchvalue=neoerudition&type=archives

http://www2.packetstormsecurity.org/cgi-bin/search/search.cgi?searchvalue=x1b&type=archives

Ive been in the "scene" for several years, both underground and now proffesional.

Quote: "then telling them you can fix it is a NORMAL way to get a job in computer security."


Funny. ive been working as an Network Security Analyst / IDS Developer for several years now. The company I now work for, I was an Accounts Receivable clerk for when I was young. What I had done,nearly cost me my job. What i got was placed in the IT dept as Level 1 Tech Support,to start.

Do I suggest you try this in hopes of employment? no. Is it possible? Anything is.

alex 1337
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Posted: 7th May 2006 02:19
Thanks to everybody's response.

See the thing was that once I found the exploit, it got really borring to play the game without it. I created the dll just to experiment with the software and I kind of got addicted to it. I tried playing the game normally but it just wasnt any fun. I sent an email to pb and am waiting for a response. I know that it is fair not to play america's army, but I don't think it is fair to not be able to play any game that has pb on it. And for the people that say to not play on a pb server, the thing is that the non-PB servers are slow and there is like only 3 of them. They lag a lot.

Alex
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Posted: 7th May 2006 21:57
x1b, your reasons are flawed. There is nothing to gain from hacking a BF server, but the game itself may benefit from fixing that exploit. And change your damned links, they're stretching the page out.

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Quote: "x1b, your reasons are flawed. There is nothing to gain from hacking a BF server, but the game itself may benefit from fixing that exploit."

Pardon me for saying this, but it seems you just took an automatic rifle with a laser sight and shot yourself in the foot with it.


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Posted: 7th May 2006 22:34
yes but your forgetting that this is an ea game, so no it wont get fixed.

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Posted: 7th May 2006 23:48
Quote: "yes but your forgetting that this is an ea game, so no it wont get fixed."

*waits for Jeku to correct you*

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Posted: 8th May 2006 01:07 Edited at: 8th May 2006 02:37
Quote: "Pardon me for saying this, but it seems you just took an automatic rifle with a laser sight and shot yourself in the foot with it. "


Hawkeye,sir,that was a most excellent and, solid comment.

Quote: "x1b, your reasons are flawed. There is nothing to gain from hacking a BF server, but the game itself may benefit from fixing that exploit."


ionstream, that was a extremely ignorant and weak comment. disappointing.

Quote: "yes but your forgetting that this is an ea game, so no it wont get fixed.
"


Granted,however,if you consider where Counter-Strike began and, where it now,then verily,this company is heading the same direction and merrits the same respect.

Allow me to view this from a Security Analyst point of view:

A remote vulnerabillity has been identified and confirmed,albeit, this specific attack is reasonabley harmless. So, I my self would ask the next question "ok...so technically I have remote access and means past the Network IDS. Can I now elevate to default user access via this "XSS like" attack? And in so,what access will I have? Can I elevate to the next level or gain additional permission? Can i open ports past the 16000 range and upload minor software such as netcat to inject 2-3kb of code and W access to compile and run a sniffer and check its 3kb logs once every few hours? or spawn a remote shell via yet a 2nd dll? What servers are on their Subnet that i may attack spoofed as this server for something more interesting,or...and I assure you this list can grow FAR past these questions. R access? RW access? RWX access? identify Services, network topology, ports and protocols behind and before IDS, can I force spoofed packets? Spoofed MAC, Spoofed ARP? and related injections? and this list too, can go way on.

Its far past "just a game server" I swear it.

People like me live for Admins with that exact mentallity.

I honestly can not count how many "Just an X server" list I had root or admin access to,and would use just to bounce my attacks from and to the next "Just an X server" then to the intended target. Or just use their Routers to "Router Hop" and split through proxy servers from the "Just an X server" shells and to the intended victim.

I suppose you will now argue "lol,how SLOW would that attack be!! LOL HAHAHAHHA"

Extremely,extremely,slow...and buried in hundreds of thousands of other IPs and packets to the intended victim,spoofed as the previous "Just an X" servers.

if you go back and read the "dbman" attack I wrote about. he too laughed and told me "hahaha all you get is R access on a default shell!! hahaha!" week later he was emailed to him self from him self as root with explanation of how I gained root.

Anyhow,im not here to be l33t ub3r h4x0r. im here because im hooked on Game Developent. Just saw a security related post.

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You failed to comment on the stretched window part .

Quote: "ionstream, that was a extremely ignorant and weak comment. disappointing."


Care to explain?

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Quote: "Care to explain?
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Youre kidding,right. Read the above post. It'll either answer your first and this post or go completely over your head.

And honestly,id cut your losses short, as is, as advised by Hawkeye.

Quote: "Pardon me for saying this, but it seems you just took an automatic rifle with a laser sight and shot yourself in the foot with it.
"


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Question?

I repeat, nothing to gain. It's not helping the hacker at all, just get him (figuratively) smacked in the face.

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Quote: "This dll was able to give us basically all the powers of an admin on any server "


And thats not against punkbusters AUP?

Using any outside DLL's to enchance your abilities is against the rules that you agreed to when you installed punkbuster.

So its your own fault, and punkbuster banned you, and since punkbuster is not part of the games, and instead for the server, your banned from all servers that use the punkbuster software.

Can't say I feel any sympathy for you, you shoulda known better.

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Posted: 8th May 2006 02:53
Er. You, as the hacker, are helping the admin, not the other way around. And if you don't help him, the admin will get smacked in the face very hard by somebody without such morals as said hacker.


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Quote: "Er. You, as the hacker, are helping the admin, not the other way around. And if you don't help him, the admin will get smacked in the face very hard by somebody without such morals as said hacker."


Amen

Quote: "Can't say I feel any sympathy for you, you shoulda known better."


He should know better than to do nothing. He was caught -EOF
Now he should document his process and release to them to fix the flaw. That is,if he is White or Grey Hat. Either of which I suspect he is.

The alternative? The next hacker to find this flaw is a Blackhat.

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Quote: "*waits for Jeku to correct you*"


well its true, ive only got the battlefield series so im not sure if its only dice, but the support for battlefield 2 is just a joke really, im surprised they even make patches and yet each patch introduced 10 new bugs and gameplay unbalanicings, it makes you think either the coders or the testers are just monkeys, dont believe me? try the backhawk on initital release that was stupidly overpowered as the spray damage could obliterate anything if you just looked at it, and since 1.2 theyve totally nerfed it to uselessness if the blackhawk is actuallymoving, the pkm in 1.1? that thing was more accurate than the svd and it was accurate on full auto. the red tag bug? how stupid was that it took them like 4 patches of saying 'we fixed it' for the them to actually fix it, the aa missiles? wow those were fun in 1.12 point and kill.

and the bf2 promo vids are totally decieving its like a whole different game that you saw in the vids, yet ingame you get some 1/2 assed crap, i just wish ea would spend more time developing games rather than just trying to maximise profits anyway possible.

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Posted: 8th May 2006 05:06
I stand by my opinion here. There's nothing to gain, whatsoever, from hacking a BF42 server hosted by a private individual, and I think there's smarter ways to influence EA to fix exploits. But I'm no hacker, nor do I have any desire to be one... also, I don't understand the connection between hackers and programmers, or how one could come to the assumption that ANY of us who program are also hackers in the same stroke... it just isn't logical to me.


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Posted: 8th May 2006 05:43
umm... this is very strange... this web page is tabbed... but I never opened it...

Quote: "Funny. ive been working as an Network Security Analyst / IDS Developer for several years now. The company I now work for, I was an Accounts Receivable clerk for when I was young. What I had done,nearly cost me my job. What i got was placed in the IT dept as Level 1 Tech Support,to start.

Do I suggest you try this in hopes of employment? no. Is it possible? Anything is."

I never denied THAT, I know that a few people have been successful at getting the good end of the bargin, but I was refering to how a person would normally do it, and the potential consequences.

Quote: "http://packetstormsecurity.org/advisories/misc/Debug_Enviroment_Variables.txt and http://packetstormsecurity.org/advisories/misc/Debug_Enviroment_Variables.txt both "

Is it me... or are both links the same link?


Ionstream, your text is flawed... The game will benifit if you reveal the exploit, but the attack on the server is not benifiting anyone but yourself.

In my oppinion, punk buster should perminatly ban you if you do not reveal how you hacked their software.

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Posted: 8th May 2006 05:54
well for him to be banned they would have to know .

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Posted: 8th May 2006 06:14
well for him to be banned they would have to know...

only that he hacked it... doesn't neccisarly mean that they know how...

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Posted: 8th May 2006 06:15 Edited at: 8th May 2006 06:24
did I post a duplicate link? bah, not like anyones going to read the papers anyhow.

here. the one I got root acess from a shell with just R permission
http://packetstormsecurity.org/0209-exploits/cgitelnetdbman.pdf

Anyway. Beating a dead horse at this point. Bottom line,the net needs more secure servers and services to prevent the propagation of additional compromise and being used as a source of attack from.

Quote: "I stand by my opinion here. There's nothing to gain, whatsoever, from hacking a BF42 server hosted by a private individual"


I get another source to bounce my attacks from or did you miss my whole lecture. Oh for the love of god. Just drop it. Teaching the impossible to the impossible.

Quote: "I don't understand the connection between hackers and programmers, or how one could come to the assumption that ANY of us who program are also hackers in the same stroke"


oh man. matt, go play nintendo or something,anything.

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Posted: 8th May 2006 06:28
Quote: "not like anyones going to read the papers anyhow."

I did actually..

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Posted: 8th May 2006 06:29
Ok, I have a theory on how they found out and banned me:

Many people inject dlls. You can find many on the internet. However I think that the punkbuster client scanns your computer for extra dlls that may be running that shouldnt. My dll was somewhat successfull for a period of time until I was banned.

Hacking is a STRONG word. I'd like to say that I was better evening the odds for myself
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Posted: 8th May 2006 14:59
Quote: "I don't understand the connection between hackers and programmers, or how one could come to the assumption that ANY of us who program are also hackers in the same stroke"

*insert sarcy comment here*


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Posted: 8th May 2006 16:19 Edited at: 8th May 2006 16:20
Forget it,Hawkeye. I give up. Those that wanted to learn, got it, those that favour bumbling about clueless,remained there.

My fault though. This isnt Undernet nor Efnet. My comments and feedback dont belong here.

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Posted: 8th May 2006 17:03
You know, I hope you don't think that you're impressing us with your "vast" security knowledge. Matt Rock is still (rightly) beleiving that a hacker is someone who breaks into servers, what you would probably call a cracker. Times have changed, pal.

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