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Geek Culture / What car to buy with about 10K?

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spooky
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Posted: 9th May 2006 18:39
I am planning on buying a car in next few months and want to spend around 10 grand on it. Any suggestions as I'm spoilt for choice.

Needs to be UK spec right hand drive, 3 door hatchback type, 5 door if price is not too much more. Air con is a must as my last car had none and driving in Summer is really uncomfortable with it. Something that is fairly fuel efficient would be nice and where tax does not cost the Earth.

I like the specs and look of the new Peugeout 207 and that is top of my list at the moment. Been lots of good reviews about it.

My last car was an old Ford Fiesta that I owned for 10 years but I sold it over 5 years ago after moving to London, but I have now moved back to my home town in the middle of Essex and not having a car is very limiting.

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Posted: 9th May 2006 18:45 Edited at: 9th May 2006 18:46
Could always get a bike - get a good workout too. And save money too!

If you want a car however, have you looked at the Proton Gen2 ones ?

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Posted: 9th May 2006 19:20 Edited at: 9th May 2006 19:24
Quote: "My last car was an old Ford Fiesta that I owned for 10 years "

congrats on making a fiesta last that long!

I like the 7 series bmw, mid 90's.

A Laguna gets like 50mpg, and I don't think they're expensive.

This looks nice.
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You might want to consider a Jaguar. I know it sounds like a fancy name, but they're very safe cars and because of that insurance is low. Well, at least for me the insurance a brand new Jag was less than my '00 grand prix, which made me mad. And for whatever reason, resale value is often low, so a used one is pretty affordable.


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Posted: 9th May 2006 19:38
I'm not a big fan of Peugeots. Unreliable, in my opinion. I'm a born again Japanese car fan now. Nissan, Honda etc. They just seem to make the best cars, with performance, style and above all reliability. Hondas are just superb really. As such, I would recommended a 2nd hand Civic hatch. If you get a bog standard one, you'll get nice performance, comfortable drive and it'll last for ages. For £10k, you should be able to get one about 1 year old in mint condition that'll last you as long as you want.

My Civic coupe cost me £4k a couple of years a go. It is 10 years old and runs like a dream. It's a 1.5i and because Civics have Hondas variable valve timing, its pretty quick. They rev a couple of thousand RPM more than many cars, and when it hits 4000RPM it flies. Fuel economy is good when driven under 4000rpm, and performance is good when driven over. Best of both worlds.

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Posted: 9th May 2006 20:14
Sportback version of my Subaru Impreza Turbo. Oh yes. 10k should get a 4 year example I would have thought. Sub 6 second 0-60, sticks to the ground like glue, and reliability that leaves any Pug (Peugeot) crying on the floor. Interior from the 80's, but who really cares at 100mph with the turbo whistle going like billio?

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Posted: 9th May 2006 20:41
I'm in the market for a new car too. I too was looking at a Diesel Peugeot 307 or something similar, but whatcar.com said they were riddled with problems.

I'm with fallout on this one - I've never seen a Honda for sale with less than 150,000 miles on the clock, so that's gotta stand for something

Anyone want to buy my girlfriend's Corsa? I'll throw in my Rover 214 for free

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Posted: 9th May 2006 20:49 Edited at: 9th May 2006 20:53
Skoda...

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Okay to be serious, you can get some good cars second hand in your price limit, we looked a few whilst my mum was getting a replacement for her Mazda that got ruined in a car crash a couple of years a go, we had 10k as our limit to buy 2 cars (My Dad needed a new one too) we got a Ford Fiesta and Mazda 323 sport. We were tempted by a MX 5 which was 5k, which was in good nick.

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Posted: 9th May 2006 20:55
Some MG cars have an engine defect that causes the engine to shutdown due to a hole in the block.

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Quote: "We were tempted by a MX 5 which was 5k, which was in good nick"
Yeah, thats our other car. Nice black effort. Awesome when the weather is nice. On the other hand not exactly the best weather in this country.

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Posted: 10th May 2006 00:54
Quote: "Yeah, thats our other car. Nice black effort. Awesome when the weather is nice. On the other hand not exactly the best weather in this country."


See what you mean, totally unpredictable, so why the hell we have weathermen I don't know Which is why would much rather buy an RX8, but afraid we don't have 20k spare

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Posted: 10th May 2006 01:24
Get a corolla, or Ford Escort. Those are good and fuel efficent. Unless 40 miles to the gallon isn't fuel effiencent for you.
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Yeah, I like the RX8. Bit slow though Nah, she always wanted a convertible, and pretty much only the MX5, and the Subaru is plenty fast enough. Would have preferred an S2000 myself, but you want what you want I suppose. And the Elise is rubbish for storage (and breaks down like no tomorrow if our friends one is anything to go by).

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Posted: 10th May 2006 07:56
start a business and rent the car when required. get the 10 grand back on tax.

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Heh, when I used to have a company car you had to plough thousands in tax every year. Well annoying, but so nice not to have to pay for anything at all (including petrol in the good days). Just get an allowance now, which sucks a fair bit as I have to do everything myself (office chimps booked and sorted everything automatically before). Then again I could sell the car without them knowing and buy an XBox 360/PS3 every month. Hmmmm. Don't need wheels.....

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I've just run into the used-car chooser on www.whatcar.com. Fantastic site - you give it your monthly budget, and it works out the cars you can afford. It also gives a handy "out of 5 stars/spanners" rating for reliability.

Quality.

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Posted: 10th May 2006 21:58
Nifty site there mang.

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Posted: 10th May 2006 23:20
I thought everyone in england drove Mini Coopers

Jaguars are wicked expensive in the United States... how much cheaper are they over the pond?


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Posted: 10th May 2006 23:22
Get a Caterham 7 Like the one i have

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Quote: "how much cheaper are they over the pond"

New cars are prohibitively expensive here. And that's after an investigation by the Department of Trade and Industry on a price-fixing scam. The cheapest cars you can get are £7,000 (13,013 USD). A distinctly average "super mini" (as they're called over here) will set you back £10,000 (18 590). A nice Honda Accord is about £18,000 (33,462 USD).... So, you have to factor in that inflation before we make a cross-pond price comparison

Brand new Jaguar S-Types here range from £24,464 (45,478 USD) - £48,600 (90,347 USD).

That said, you can pick up 10 year old jags really cheap (£3 grand?). Because they get so expensive to maintain (I guess) everyone wants rid of them.

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Posted: 11th May 2006 00:49
Quote: "Yeah, I like the RX8. Bit slow though Nah, she always wanted a convertible, and pretty much only the MX5, and the Subaru is plenty fast enough. Would have preferred an S2000 myself, but you want what you want I suppose. And the Elise is rubbish for storage (and breaks down like no tomorrow if our friends one is anything to go by)."


Ha, you've been naming a few of future considerations of my own, good taste, I like the elise, looks nice and looks lightweight, never driven one (obviously, 20 days until legally I can drive)

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Posted: 11th May 2006 01:26
Quote: "Yeah, I like the RX8. Bit slow though"

The RX8 is a bit slow? The Mazda RX8? It has a rotary engine, doesn't it? The thing goes like 160 MPH and can get from 0-60 in 5.9 seconds... and if you take the limiter off it can go even faster because it's a rotary engine... it doesn't have a redline, or so I'm told. Anyway... how fast do you need to go?!?


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oh great, another rotary fanatic.

5.9s? A Neon srt-4 beats that!


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But 5.9s is fast enough

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Posted: 11th May 2006 09:06 Edited at: 11th May 2006 09:07
Trust the two Matts on this one... there's no need to ever move that quickly unless you're literally a racecar driver. I mean seriously, what can you possibly accomplish by speeding from one stop light to the next? Besides, have you ever been inside an RX8? Their HOT! And you'll get hit on by sexy ladies a whole heck of a lot more in an RX8 than you ever would in a silly Neon (which I can't imagine could be even remotely as fast as an RX8 anyway... and besides, it has a 0% coolness factor... I mean come on, it's a Neon! That's like pimping and street racing a Buick Regal!)

Anyway, here's my computation for driving faster than an RX8 can travel on city streets:

At first you'll be pretty until you start getting into speeds, at which point you'll lose control and into a tree, which'll end up getting you . Trust me on this... there's no need to go that fast. Ever. Never.


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Posted: 11th May 2006 15:55
ive had a chevy cavalier since 03,ive had no problems with it,though i bought it brand new.and its a little higher than 10k.
u might be able to get a good used one though.

but gas prices as high as they are,i would definately recommend something that takes ethanol instead of gas.

but since u live in the uk,im not sure if they have ethanol,do they?
anyway ,good luck in your search.
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Quote: "I thought everyone in england drove Mini Coopers "
Heh, only foreigners think that. Tis a German car now matey.

Quote: "how much cheaper are they over the pond?"
Cough, splutter, choke... heh. It basically goes that we spend more here to help with imports (and they screw us totally for the sake of it), and sell cheaper elsewhere to help with our exports. Either way everyone wins apart from us. Don't even go with comparing car prices. And don't get started on petrol. Although we would probably fill up our lawn mowers with the stuff you use in the US Actually I'll take away the wink cos I was being honest there

Quote: "The RX8 is a bit slow? The Mazda RX8? It has a rotary engine, doesn't it? The thing goes like 160 MPH and can get from 0-60 in 5.9 seconds"
Thats the US one. Slightly limited over here to about 6.4. Oh and apparently UK and US miles are *slightly* different apparently (*Imperial* miles here apparently matey). And mines about 5 secs. Plus the 0-100mph is a fair bit better (most peak at around 60 - check out the normal Elise for example).

Quote: "but since u live in the uk,im not sure if they have ethanol,do they?"
Yes. Just not so popular. Do you use decent diesel yet in the US? Or any normal petrol better than we used in 1971?

Quote: "A Neon srt-4 beats that"
Shudder. Not a Neon.... We do like to go round corners very fast in the UK.

Quote: "20 days until legally I can drive"
Dude, you want to get an Elise 20 days before you get a licence? I'm assuming you are about 17 now? Very well off then are we? Insurance is going to totally bleed you. I remember once a door to door salesman hearing how my car cost me £700 a year in insurance (thats about $1300 a year for a pretty sporty car - gotta love the car hating government). He almost cried. Basically he was 20 (I was 31 at the time) and had a Barryboytastic (see [href]www.barryboys.co.uk[/href]) Corsa (real shopping trolley). Totally spannery and slow with stupid spoilers all over it (mine needs it ) and it cost him about £1500 a year to insure it. How I laughed.

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Quote: "gas prices as high as they are"
Get this. I filled up with Shell Optimax (98 Unleaded - good stuff, although must try Tesco 99 at some point) the other day and it cost me £41 ($77.2591) for 38 *litres*. Oh yes. Was over a quid a litre ($1.88443). Not sure how much a gallon (we stopped that years ago). If I remember rightly, again, we also have a slightly different gallon to the US.

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Quote: "It basically goes that we spend more here to help with imports"


So, we (joe public) subsidise car exporters by paying for cars with artificially inflated prices? If so, why us?

Quote: "and sell cheaper elsewhere to help with our exports"

Didn't realise we actually exported cars other than the stupid ones;
TVR, Rolls-Royce etc...

Unless I'm misunderstanding.

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Dazzag > you put 10 US gallons into your tank

.26 litres per US gallon.

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Posted: 11th May 2006 21:47 Edited at: 11th May 2006 21:49
Ah ok. Almost the same as here I think. So basically it costs about £4 per US gallon here. Thats.... $7.53582 a US gallon. Heh heh. Although the *vast* majority of it is tax (massive massive massive). I read somewhere (about 5 years ago) that the price to get a basic barrel of petrol to the pumps is cheaper in the UK than the US on *average* (remember we don't have to take it very far to put it in the pumps). But our tax is just astronimical on petrol (and fags - ahem, ciggies).

Also read that the average rate of life (ie. how good life is when you take *everything* into account) is about the same in the UK as the US. Although, percentage wise, we have a hell of a lot less really poor people (where most of our tax goes by the looks of it...) and the US has a lot more rich people. All I know is my exact same job was worth about $150k (was about £80k converted) in the US when I had 4 years experience as a team leader. Been doing my job 11 years now, and I don't do bad, but I'm not on that.

Plus at one point I really wanted a new Mustang (really don't sell them here apart from small amount of imports), sod the equipment inside and ability to go round corners . Must be all those old films. But they cost something like £25k (about $40k+) to import, and Ford even said if they sold it here properly it would cost about £30k. Bloody ripoff. Esp since the sell for half that price in the US. Nice shape though.

Quote: "So, we (joe public) subsidise car exporters by paying for cars with artificially inflated prices? If so, why us?"
Actually I was venting a bit there. Totally basing that on an experience in a bookshop once. At one time books (esp. computer ones) cost about the same in pounds to dollars. eg. A typical $50 computer book cost about £45. But £45 is about $80. Hmmm. Blokey who worked there told me how we had to sell books from the UK cheaper elsewhere to compete better. But books from the US were increased to make the UK more attractive to sell. And of course the UK books were then increased in the UK too. Erm.... Not quite the same now though.

Talking about cars and being totally ripped off in this country. I remember once (a few years ago) seeing a story about Land Rover. Basically there was one model (they are all about £40k aren't they?) that had some exported to Germany, changed to left hand drive (ie. the wrong side ) and sold there. The newpaper said that if you left the town where they made the cars in the first place and went to a place in Germany where they sold the converted versions, and bought one there, and had it converted back, and shipped it back (with all those extra costs), it was still significantly cheaper (think by about £10k overall in those days) than buying the damn thing from the place they made it round the corner. Nice.

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Posted: 11th May 2006 23:58
Here in New York, gas is up to $3.15 at some pumps Simply put, it's not cool. And here in the US everyone is talking about corn ethanol, which might solve the gas shortage and fueling cost issue, but the whole global warming thing? I read somewhere that corn ethanol is just as bad for the environment as petrol, or close to it


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Posted: 12th May 2006 01:46 Edited at: 12th May 2006 01:47
Quote: "But our tax is just astronimical on petrol (and fags - ahem, ciggies)."


As an aside, I was once speaking to an American girl (in real life, that is) and she was "shocked" that we referred to cigarettes as fags.

Do you guys actually think the meaning behind that choice of word for cigarettes relates to your adoption of the word "fag"? Or was it just this one girl who was getting on her moral high horse a little too quickly?

---- EDIT : sorry if I'm crossing the AUP line here with some kinda "hate crime" post or something. Feel free to edit/delete my post.

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Man, in reality, fag doesnt mean gay and fag doesn't mean cigarette. It's slang, and for that reason, either meaning is fair game. If she wants to get on her high horse for you using the word fag to mean cigarette, I would encourage you to tell her where to shove her fanypack.

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I can appreciate that words have several meanings. The thing that bothered me is that she thought the reason behind us choosing the word "fag" for cigarette was derogatory. Like we'd be that malicious?!?!

I still remember "fag it" being a popular phrase up north, when I were a lad. Some banana footed moron scoops the football right out of the playground... *sigh* a chorus of "fag it" means he has to go and get the ball.

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Posted: 12th May 2006 02:11
Well, I would never degrade lovely cigarettes, but I dont normally say fag. I normally say smoke, or schmoo, or tab or ciggie.

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Posted: 12th May 2006 02:42
We're payin' through the nose over here too--- $1.16 CDN/litre--- highway robbery.

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Posted: 12th May 2006 03:49
I use the word fag as an insult to a person or thing without intending for it to mean "gay." I don't really care what someone's sexual preference is... the word just sounds funny And to call someone "gay" isn't really an insult... didn't it used to mean "really, really happy?" So in effect, it can easily have a positive spin applied to it Or maybe I just have a silly way of looking at things, lol


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Good to know ... sorry for the mini-thread hijack.

Do modern (ish) car stereos come with line-in jacks these days? I mean a front accessible one. I'd love to be able to hook up my ipod to my car stereo.

Depressingly, I think I'm more excited about the prospect of a new car, than the prospect of getting married :S The latter has to happen first so that we can get financially straight.

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Posted: 12th May 2006 12:47
I think the answer to that is no mate. I've not seen front line-ins on new car stereos (standard ones) yet. No doubt they exist, but I dont think it's standard. You'll probably need to get an aftermarket one.

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I'm a great believer in Ford Mondeos myself. They are very reasonably priced, are good cars to drive, acceptable fuel consumption lots of space and good insurance. I'm now on my second Mondeo. All my colleagues laugh at me for driving a Ford but I'm not into cars and prefer to waste my money on other things.

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