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Geek Culture / Blocking P2P Programs

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Fallout
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Posted: 11th May 2006 19:15
My housemate is constantly sucking up our bandwidth with his peer to peer network shananigans. He's a limewire junky, and every now and then I spend most of the day surfing at really low speeds. Our router doesnt have any bandwidth sharing features, but I can block IPs and ports. Does Limewire have a specific port, or is there a specific port range that peer to peer programs use? I own the router and its password protected, so I'd like to be able to log in, block his p2p network access but leave the rest of his internet activity working so that he just thinks its a limewire issue.

Anyone got an experience with this? He's not a techy, so he'd never twig.

SimSmall
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Posted: 11th May 2006 19:20 Edited at: 11th May 2006 19:20
Does your router not log the traffic? it it does, your answer to which ports it uses will be right very close by...
zenassem
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Posted: 11th May 2006 19:23 Edited at: 11th May 2006 19:24
It's not easy to block the ports that p2p clients use anymore. They will just change ports. P2P such as Kazaa, LimeWire, Morpheus, Bearshare, etc can port scan, tunnel and even masquerade as HTTP traffic over port 80.
Fallout
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Posted: 11th May 2006 19:26
Nope, it doesn't. The only thing is logs is internal security data where the clients request IPs from the DHCP service. Nothing to do with what goes out onto the net.

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Posted: 11th May 2006 19:44 Edited at: 11th May 2006 19:46
There is a couple ways to find which ports the programs are useing.
While the program in running on his machine go to command prompt and write "netstat /a" this will show all ports being used by what programs on his machine.(This has to be done on his machine) Or you can do a google search for the ports the program uses. Then once you find what ports it uses, unless it changes every time, go into your fire wall and block all ports you don't want to be used by him or her.
You can also find the port numbers by net sniffing. Or what he said above. If your fire_wall/router/etc.. has a log then you can see that( That is if it records the right information).





http://www.plevna.f9.co.uk/blockkazaa.htm
Quote: "
Some sources say that peer-to-peer file sharing programs like LimeWire and KaZaA use a variety of ports including ports 1214 outbound and ports 1214-8000 inbound. To block LimeWire ports you would also have to block TCP port 6346 and stop UDP port 6346. However, there is a post in a forum which infers that the user can choose the port which LimeWire uses. See the LimeWire program's menus - Tools -> Options -> Advanced -> Firewall Config

It is now generally accepted that if you block access to those ports, file sharing applications like LimeWire will hop from port to port until they find an unblocked one, and will even use port 80.
"



http://www.pcquest.com/content/p2p/102091201.asp
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The P2P apps, which use the Gnutella network connect to peers on ports 6346 and 6347. We tried to block two such apps—Morpheus and Limewire. To do so, in the BBIagent Access Control section, as mentioned above, keep everything the same and enter 6346-6347 for the Service ports, and TCP for Protocol. Click on the Insert button to enable the rule. Create a similar rule for UDP traffic.

This method worked for us, but the peer ports may change if future updates for these apps come out. Also, some P2P apps may change their network/protocol—for example Morpheus worked on the FastTrack network earlier.
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Posted: 11th May 2006 19:45 Edited at: 11th May 2006 19:48
@zenassem Missed your post. Damn. Well, my only other option is to block his whole IP and wait for him to complain, then deny all knowledge. Or, do MSN Messenger and IE use set ports? If so, I could block everything except for those ones?

Edit: @Great Knight
I considered getting some packet sniffing program, but it all sounds like too much work. Convert stealth missions into his room to look at it from his compo could jepodize my health due to the level of toxins in the air from rotting clothes and cutlery.

I'm temped to just go back to the traditional method of sabotaging his ethernet cable and stopping access altogether, without using the router.

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Posted: 11th May 2006 20:43
If you own the router, simply go to the NAT settings and block all the ports apart from the standard ones like 80 for http traffic, 21 for e-mail and so on.

These are blocks on the router itself and unless he can log onto the router and change the NAT settings back, he won't be able to do anything about it from his machine.

Change the router's log-in password to stop him from doing that.

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Posted: 11th May 2006 20:56
Send him an e-mail (spoofing the from address or setting up a new account somewhere) pretending to be from Limewire asking that they're having to clamp down on illegal downloads and that he moderate his use of their program.

It sounds stupidly simple but it's amazing what you can get people to believe if they aren't too computer savvy and you make it sound professional enough. You could even go as far as writing up an official looking letter and addressing it to him. Half the fun's in seeing their expression.

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Posted: 11th May 2006 22:21
I like soapyfish's idea best


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Posted: 11th May 2006 23:01
hehe. Thanks chaps. He would be quite easy to fool, but I like TDKs technical solution! I have password protected the router, and he probably doesnt even know what it is, so there's no chance in hades of him sorting it out. I'll do a bit of digging into what ports are standard then, and then leave them open and close the rest.

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Posted: 11th May 2006 23:07
Why not adjust the bandwidth limit in Limewire? Put it down to something stupid like 1KBps and he'll just get bored of using it.

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Posted: 12th May 2006 01:08
Quote: "Why not adjust the bandwidth limit in Limewire?"


And how does Fallout get onto his roommate's computer? That's the problem.

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Posted: 12th May 2006 01:26 Edited at: 12th May 2006 01:26
No no. That's not the problem. How does Fallout get onto his roommate's computer ALIVE, without tripping over stacks of cutlery and falling face first into piles of dirty boxer shorts!! That's the problem!!!

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Posted: 12th May 2006 09:26
You did it in Vietnam, you sure can do it in RL.

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Posted: 12th May 2006 09:28
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=blocking+limewire&btnG=Google+Search&meta=

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Posted: 12th May 2006 12:16 Edited at: 12th May 2006 12:25
Quote: "You did it in Vietnam, you sure can do it in RL."


Vietnam was real life.


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Posted: 12th May 2006 14:54 Edited at: 12th May 2006 16:27
Yeah but, in real life, we didn't rock nearly this much.


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Posted: 12th May 2006 15:04
You could just block his IP address until he decides to behave.

We once had a roommate who did that kinda thing, I got two of my mates who he didnt know to show up at his door in tucks and a black briefcase pretending to be those anti-piracy guys.

The look of horror on his face was priceless when they said they'd take his computer and charge him ÂŁ10k for every piece of illegal software/media that he owned
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Posted: 12th May 2006 21:07 Edited at: 12th May 2006 21:07
Default listening port for incoming connections is 6346, which can be changed in the settings.

I think it may be kind of hard to block which local port it uses, seems to be random.

Quote: "The look of horror on his face was priceless when they said they'd take his computer and charge him ÂŁ10k for every piece of illegal software/media that he owned"

classic! too bad you didn't video tape it.




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zenassem
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Posted: 12th May 2006 21:19 Edited at: 12th May 2006 21:22
you can load up limewire on your computer and use a free progam like "what is transferring" (google it). It will look like the post above. But like I said earlier, these P2P programs can port scan and change ports if neccessary.

here the link to the program http://www.wfshome.com/wit.htm

just kick your roomies @$$

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Posted: 14th May 2006 06:21
punch him in the gut and slap him across the face.

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Posted: 14th May 2006 10:34
Or you could always (if you have acsess to his computer for about three mins install a program called poweroff and use its force application to close function, thats what I do to my sister, and I always send a message to her computer and locker her mouse for a bit

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Posted: 14th May 2006 10:42
If you can get to his computer set it so windows firewall blocks access to it... Did that to my sisters computer

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Posted: 14th May 2006 14:53
According to Cisco:

Quote: "Gnutella is an open source protocol and has over 50 applications using it on a wide variety of operating systems. Popular P2P applications include BearShare, Limewire, Morpheus and ToadNode. They use any open TCP/UDP port to communicate with another P2P host, and from there connect to many other hosts, making filtering these programs with an access-list impossible"


meaning that Zenassem is right, and you can't block it without shutting off your mates IP completely - so that's the way to go.

Most routers have a means for you to save its settings to a file. Do this, once with the standard config, and once with his IP blocked. Then when he abuses your network, just load up the config that blocks him, and restore the original later once you are done.

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Posted: 14th May 2006 14:55
Already got that in place Ian! All I do it tick the checkbox.

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Posted: 15th May 2006 06:23
Forgive me for not taking the IT scholar's approach here, but why don't you try talking to the guy and explain that since he is using 9/10 of your bandwith, he is now going to pay for that much of the bill. If the dude doesn't like it, you can just periodically unplug him, and when he asks what happened just say "I don't know computers".

P.S. by housemate do you mean your dad.

J/k
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Posted: 17th May 2006 01:52
There's a new trojan about that deletes files downloaded over p2p. Not that I'm suggesting anything.............

http://wiredfire.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=103&Itemid=52 (that's an article on the trojan btw, not the actual thing)

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Posted: 17th May 2006 15:09
You could always throw together a quick fake LimeWire app in DBP or VB that throws up an error when clicked, then just replace the original lime wire with that. If you've the ability to access his files on his computer over yours, you could go even further to setup a system where when you want to use the net you send over the fake LimeWire, which will give him the error "sorry, we're experiencing some down time at the moment, please try again later" or something, and then when you're all done just replace the fake with the original. Though you might want to be careful as to not let hi catch on that everytime you're on the computer he cant get on

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Posted: 17th May 2006 18:55
Am I the only one who thinks what Fallout is doing to his housemate is plain mean?


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Posted: 17th May 2006 21:14
heres what not to do....***ahem***

personally i'd chuck his machine clean out of the window for filesharing and hogging all the bandwidth, either that i'd introduce a glass of water to it, or get the biggest magnet i can find and stick it to his monitor for a few hours. a ballon rubbed in your hair for 5 minutes also works wonders as a system killer, just rub like mad and touch the ballon against the case, problem solved , you could try stuffing a bit of tinfoil in his rj45 socket then powering up the system, or you could just get into his bios and set a password that locks him out of his computer (remeber to superglue the system battery and bios short jumpers, another cool trick is to wrap fine copper wire around the bottom of the pins on the reset switch (mobo side) so the machine is in perpetual reset.

but i never suggested any of these things. in fact i never touched this keyboard......whats this thing with the screen on it....er...

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Posted: 18th May 2006 12:13
hehehe. Ahh, creative genius in full flow. Everyone trying to suggest a more lunicidal solution.

A bit like the Terminator, he can't be reasoned with, or bargained with. He doesn't feel pity or remorse. And he absolutely will not stop ... EVER .. until my bandwidth is dead.

It's not a big problem to be honest. It normally affects me once every 2 or 3 weeks for a couple of hours in the evening when he's rinsing new episodes of Lost or something off the internet. You can't really talk to the guy because he's a few pickles short of a sandwich. He's also about 5'5" or something and I'm about 6'3", so physical violence could be a solution, but not really a good way to maintain good relations in the house.

Anyway, I've got his IP back, so I'll just block his whole IP in the future if he's hogging all the bandwidth. This is the sort of situation where it could be fun to be a script kiddy and know how to defeat his firewall and get some random scripts onto his compo, but alas I'm not that sad. Gonna have to stick to conventional means.

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