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Geek Culture / Radiohead fights the power in NYC!

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Matt Rock
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Posted: 18th May 2006 23:15 Edited at: 18th May 2006 23:20
Now that I've got your undivided attention, and have you all riled up (probably angry), I want to turn your attention to something that you may have otherwise ignored had I not used this cheap tactic to draw you in:

Gas Prices.

Yes, everyone knows how much gas prices suck nowadays. $3.00, $3.05, $3.10, $3.15... and they keep going up and up. And most of us feel powerless against these oil companies, don't we? We need to buy the gas to get to work, but we don't make enough at work to buy said gas. As a consumer, you're truly done for. Or are you?

When most people hear "boycott," they say "hmm, well it's good that someone is doing that, but enough of them are doing it... they don't need my help." Others amongst you say "Eh, it won't solve anything, oil executives won't care." If you said either of these things, you were wrong.

People tend to claim a lot of different reasons why the gas prices are skyrocketing. "It's a global market," or "there's war in the Middle East," or "we consume too much." All three of these are true, but are they causing gas prices to go up? No. The executives who sit on big stacks of YOUR hard-earned money, and the greed that pushes them? If that's what you guessed, you were dead-on right Did you know that the average BASE salary of an oil executive is around $50 million (according to CBS news)? And this is BEFORE all of the incentives and perks they recieve... a million dollars here and there for supporting this and that. That's more money than most of us would ever see in our lifetimes! Now here's the sad-but-true fact: as long as we keep paying, they'll keep increasing the price. The idea is that if we are willing to pay $4.00 per gallon, then that's what they'll charge, and over time we'll just forget about it. How many of you can fondly recall when gas was about $1.50? Now go ask your parents how much gas cost when they where your age. A small amount of that increase is due to inflation, but most of that comes from oil executives jacking up their prices to suit their own wants (note that I didn't say "needs" there).

So what's the solution? Surely, we can't boycott petrol in general. We do, afterall, need to get to work. But what if we all ganged up on one company? What if we picked out the most powerful fuel company in the world (Exxon) and boycotted them?

Dominoes. One falls, they all fall. I'm not suggesting that we put Exxon out of business... but if we boycott them long enough to make them realize that gas prices are too high for average consumers, then they'll decrease their prices, and when the biggest company does it, all of the others will do it as well. It HAS worked in the past SEVERAL TIMES, and unless you're all willing to be robbed at the pumps every time you try to buy gas, then now is the ONLY time to act.

Okay. Now you're wondering "well, when should we start? When does this boycott begin?" RIGHT NOW. Today. 5 minutes ago. I'm already boycotting Exxon, as are all of my friends and family. So should you. And you should tell everyone you know to do the same, AND ask them to tell everyone that they know. You may not think you can play a major role in something of this scale, but you aren't going to know until you try.

I'm asking... PLEADING with all of you, friends and foes, to PLEASE consider what I'm saying here today. I'm not talking about a debate between conservatives or liberals, or big business versus small. This is a serious issue that needs to be addressed, and CAN be addressed by US, you and me, the consumers in the global fuel economy. If we boycott them long enough and stick to our guns then we might have a fighting chance at seeing gas prices drop down to or below $2.00.

Again, sorry for the cheap draw tactic. I knew it would get people's attention since those are the three things everyone always hates me talking about. But I'm hoping that now that you've read this, you might consider what I've said seriously. Maybe we can do something good if we all work together toward a common goal

- Matt


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Posted: 18th May 2006 23:25 Edited at: 18th May 2006 23:44
People should just walk more-trust me, it's good for you.

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Posted: 18th May 2006 23:39
1) What does this have to do with Radiohead?

2) You think your prices are bad, should have lived here all your life

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Posted: 18th May 2006 23:42 Edited at: 18th May 2006 23:44
This isn't political. We're not talking about government, we're talking about oil, and I really don't want this to turn into some stupid political debate because this thread is, in my opinion, way too important to get locked. I ask that people put their petty arguements aside and don't do anything that would jeaprodize this thread, and mods, please do us all a favor and erase any political threads that pop up instead of locking it!!!

I agree, walking or riding a bike beats driving anyday. But some of us don't work within walking/ riding distance, and those are the people who need to boycott the most, imho.

If scientists would try to find a decent alternative to fossil fuels, we'd be in good shape. But NOT CORN ETHANOL. I keep hearing that it's just as bad for the environment as regular petrol, and what's the point in that? If we can stop depending on oil (foreign or domestic), we may as well do something good for the environment while we're at it. Is it Brazil that's running on Sugar Ethanol now? And it's cheaper, cleaner, more efficient, and produces more output than Petrol, doesn't it? THAT is what the science community should be looking into, I think... but I dunno, I don't know a lot about alternative fuels, just that they're out there if we want to use them

EDIT: @ David, who posted while I was posting... it doesn't have anything to do with Radiohead or NYC, but everyone always yells at me for talking about that stuff so I figured I would name it that to get people's attention. Should I not have done that?

How bad are gas prices in the UK, anyway?


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Posted: 18th May 2006 23:44
Quote: "2)The oil is running out."


No, it's not. That is a lie they use to control us.

We are not running out of oil. Running out of crude fossil oil, yes. Running out of crude mantel oil, no. Do some research.

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Posted: 18th May 2006 23:44
Ok, I edited my post to take out the political element.

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Posted: 18th May 2006 23:46
Quote: "No, it's not. That is a lie they use to control us."

I'm pretty sure he's right about that. I read somewhere that we only have enough petrol-style oil for 30-50 years, or something like that. I didn't know there was crude, petrol-grade oil in the mantle, I figured it was all in the crust because the crust existed before the animals did.


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Posted: 18th May 2006 23:51
The reason that we need to stop using oil now, rather than when it runs out has nothing to do with prices anyway. It's because it's used to make plastics. Can you imagine the PS4 being made out of wood or metal? Also, no cds, DVDs, computer games or even PCs.

Unless they're all made of metal or wood. Actually, that'd be cool...

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Posted: 18th May 2006 23:57
uk is 96.9p litre for unleaded and 99.9p for diesel, well this is the station outside my house.

it's been rising here slowly in the uk now for years, it's just more tax than anything, if you took away tax it'll only be like 30-40p/litre.

just be like everyone else, buy shares in the oil companies when it drops

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Posted: 19th May 2006 00:28
Yay, lets talk about gas again.


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Posted: 19th May 2006 00:40
Quote: "EDIT: @ David, who posted while I was posting... it doesn't have anything to do with Radiohead or NYC, but everyone always yells at me for talking about that stuff so I figured I would name it that to get people's attention. Should I not have done that?"


Well it helps to have the subject about the topic, I was just more confused more than anything

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They really need to start teaching some form of basic economics in school

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Posted: 19th May 2006 00:43 Edited at: 19th May 2006 00:46
lol sorry I just thought this would grab people's attention, hehe.

@ Megaton: I think it's pretty important to discuss it. I didn't make this thread to debate gas prices, I created it in the hopes that maybe a few people would actually join in on an Exxon boycott. I'm sort of surprised that no one has argued with my idea yet... no offense to Jeku, but I expected him to be all over me for this one lol

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Quote: "They really need to start teaching some form of basic economics in school"

I don't think I follow you. It's basic economics competition: If Exxon lowers their prices, the others will too, because if exxon did then everyone would start buying from exxon if the others, like BP and hess and whoever else, didn't start lowering theirs as well. Unless you're talking about something else


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Posted: 19th May 2006 00:48
Quote: "I'm sort of surprised that no one has argued with my idea yet"


It's about as flawed as an idea for a perpetual motion machine. You seriously think it could work?

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Posted: 19th May 2006 01:02
Quote: "no offense to Jeku, but I expected him to be all over me for this one lol"


Why would I argue about this? It's fruitless, as there will never be enough people that will boycott, but hey, I hate high gas prices like the rest of you.

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Posted: 19th May 2006 01:56 Edited at: 19th May 2006 01:58
Quote: "I don't think I follow you. It's basic economics competition: If Exxon lowers their prices, the others will too, because if exxon did then everyone would start buying from exxon if the others, like BP and hess and whoever else, didn't start lowering theirs as well. Unless you're talking about something else"


Why will exxon lower their prices? The only way you can come to that conclusion is by making massive assumptions.

How does the gas get from the earth to the exxon pump? You are assuming exxon remove it from the ground, exxon transport it to the refinary, exxon refine it, exxon blend it, exxon transport it to the gas station, exxon sell it. Is that the case? I'm sure you don't know.

What if that doesn't happen and the exxon gas station just buys fuel blended to their specs from a nearby refinary that is owned by someone else and serves several many other gas stations?
The boycott has stoped exxon gas stations from selling any gas but since you don't decrease demand the price the refinary sells at will remain the same as they are selling the exact same amount of gas. The only thing you change is that less is leaving in exxon trucks.

In order for the gas stations to drop the price you are making another assumption that the stations themselves are making a lot of profit. What if the bulk of the profits are made earlier in the process before the gas station buys the gas? The gas stations might have very little room to lower prices before they start losing money.
How do you know the gas stations don't make most money from all the extra stuff like food they sell? The certainly wouldn't mess about with all the extra work of running a shop if if wasn't worth their while.

If everybody stops using exxon stations they won't get any money. Who do you think is better equiped to surive a period with no income? A massive company like exxon who has loads of other customers for their product or the individuals who own/operate the gas stations? Who would this boycott really hurt?

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Posted: 19th May 2006 02:16
Boycotting is hopeless x.x If you boycott gas, then you put smaller gas companies out of business (which in another thread I thought you were against), and you end up hurting the economy. Also, as the_winch said, you can't just assume they'll lower the prices. Bottom line, you can't reduce the price of gas, you can only become more efficient. Same logic as in programming.

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Quote: "You seriously think it could work?"

It's worth a try. No one has ever accomplished anything in history without trying. Except for Paris Hilton's career... but she doesn't count. Point is, the only way we WILL know if this works is if we give it a shot. And we wouldn't be the first people to be successful with a boycott. How about the bus boycott down south during the civil rights movement? I'm sure a lot of people said that wouldn't work, but I don't see segregated water fountains anymore. Nike? They were boycotted by a reasonably small number of people and they changed their practices entirely. How about the boycott by American colonists of british goods? Or the international South Africa boycott to end apartheid? If you honestly think that boycotts don't work, go read up on your history. The only thing that's stopping us here is our own fear of it not working... but it's worth a try at least.

Quote: "It's fruitless, as there will never be enough people that will boycott, but hey, I hate high gas prices like the rest of you."

That's exactly the attitude we should try our best to avoid. If you joined the boycott, and told friends and family to do the same, then who knows... maybe we could actually accomplish this. But it will only work if people try.

Quote: "Why will exxon lower their prices? The only way you can come to that conclusion is by making massive assumptions."

It's simple: If you don't buy from Exxon, they lose money, and if they lose money, they are forced to lower gas prices. I don't see where the confusion is or what's so difficult to understand here. If enough of us stopped buying gas from Exxon, they'd lose massive profits and lower their prices, and others would follow in suit.

YOU made the "assumption" that Exxon actually owns, or has any say in the day-to-day operations, of the gas stations. Gas stations are usually owned by sole proprietorships and limited liability partnerships. If they started losing money, they could simply start selling gasoline from other companies. Many of them are binded to contracts where they need to "bid out" to drop the contract and switch companies, but it can be done. Manley's Mighty Mart, a local chain, just dropped Exxon and replaced them with a company called Valero fuels, and their contract wasn't up. The local news stories talking about the move by Mighty Mart explained the process to me, in case you're wondering how I know all of this.

Quote: "How does the gas get from the earth to the exxon pump? You are assuming exxon remove it from the ground, exxon transport it to the refinary, exxon refine it, exxon blend it, exxon transport it to the gas station, exxon sell it. Is that the case? I'm sure you don't know."

As for drilling, yes. As for refining, yes. As for transporting, yes. As for selling, yes. As it turns out I DO know a thing or two. Exxon owns drilling rigs and pumpjacks all throughout the country and around the world. They're the #2 largest crude oil drilling/ refining/ transporting (all-in-one) organization in the world, second only to Halliburton. In fact, on my big cross country trip last September/ October, I saw several pumpjacks that had the "Exxon" logo on them. Most of their oil is purchased from middle eastern nations, as most oil companies do, but yes, they do drill for oil. And OF COURSE they transport it themselves, and I'll be a little shocked if someone didn't actually know that as a fact. Unless the Exxon Valdez was owned by some oil transportation company who just *happened* to share the same name.


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Posted: 19th May 2006 02:45 Edited at: 19th May 2006 02:46
burning fossil fuels is destroying our environment. if we didnt use it for powering trucks, buses, and cars, the supply for all other industry and essentials would be unlimitled, and the benefit would be we'd still be able to inhabit the planet a few hundred years from now. unless fossil fuels are phased out its game over, its as simple as that.

(I am fighting terribly to not go political right now, so I shall leave)

google "Peak Oil" for some interesting links

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I'd love nothing more than to have my Mazda Protege run on an alternative fuel. But no one is really truly working toward one that's great. To make people happy, we need an alternative fuel that has the same performance output as gasoline. Even I'll admit that I like faster cars and I wouldn't want to suffer driving fun for a cleaner environment, and I'm one of those hardcore leftist believers in how aweful global warming is. But I don't know much about alternative fuels and if someone can correct me on one of these, I'd be greatful. The best way to be corrected on a forum is to present something as fact, so...

Everything below is a FACT: (let's see how fast this gets corrected)

Petrol: Not very efficient and kills the environment

Corn Ethanol: equally in-efficient and also kills the environment but is cheaper than petrol

Sugar Ethanol: Clean (environmentally friendly) and most efficient of the popular fossil fuels, it's the best bet (and currently being used in Brazil with fantastic results)

Hydrogen: The cleanest but the least efficient... takes more to produce high amounts of output. And the engines are enormous, too, so they make the vehicles bigger, which in turn needs more fuel... catch 22. And the fuel cell isn't practical yet.

That leaves Sugar Ethanol... right? What would it take to get the ball rolling there? Like I said, they did it in brazil.

Edit: I went and did Cattle's Peak Oil search and found http://www.peakoil.org/ < what's hilarious is, they suggested EXACTLY what I did, same company, too Except they suggest Mobil as well, whom I didn't think of


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If you boycott, the independant gas pump owners will be the ones that hurt. They don't make jack diddly on gas, which is why they usually sell other things (like Tim Hortons donuts... mmmmmm....).

If you really want to fight them, then save up and get a Prius. Watch out, though, because I hunt Prius' from my gas-guzzling SUV which I drive 1 block to check the mail each day. <-- joke, I don't have an SUV.

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Ever hear of:
Carpooling
Bikes
Running??

I don't know, you can try whatever I guess.
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Get a vehicle with a desiel engine and run used cooking oil in the tank. Places actually PAY YOU to take their waste oil away.

You can switch from desiel to cooking oil with no modifications whatsoever to the vehicle, and you only suffer a 20% loss in mileage per tank.

Filtering the oil is the only downside.

I saw them do it on Mythbusters, so I know it's true!

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Quote: "If you boycott, the independant gas pump owners will be the ones that hurt."

As I said before, they'll survive. You know me... I'm all for local businesses, 115%. But sometimes we need to sacrifice a little to earn a lot.

Quote: "If you really want to fight them, then save up and get a Prius. "

I look at electric cars as an immediate and temporary solution to a longterm problem. They still use gas, just not as much, and they create more environmental havoc with the electricity they suck up than they help, unless you live in the Northeast and run on Niagara Mohawk (we get our power from Niagara Falls... waterfall juice ) or you live near some other nifty natural power source, like a dam or something. And in electricity costs, doesn't a Prius cost you more than buying regular petrol? Please note that I'm asking, not informing, lol... I don't know and I'd like to know, before someone quotes me and rips my lungs out

Quote: "Get a vehicle with a desiel engine and run used cooking oil in the tank."

I saw the same on Mythbusters, or maybe some other show, but what they didn't discuss is how it's harmful to your vehicle over extended lengths of time without proper modifications. Willie Nelson's tour bus runs on biodiesel, but it had certain filters added to it. Another downside is that it's almost as bad for the environment as petrol (not quite, but significantly not good). And who wants to smell french fries all the time?

Quote: "Carpooling
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Running??
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Carpooling doesn't work for everyone. You might have one person use up more gas than others because they live the farthest away. Bikes are nifty, great exercise, and obviously cheap, but here in this place that I live that I can't mention anymore on these forums , we have this thing called "winter" that happens every year, and riding a bike in the cold isn't my idea of a good time And running works too, but for the people who live, I dunno, 30-50 blocks from their workplace, running isn't a good option, not with most people being obese nowadays (no offense to anyone whose overweight). Although they SHOULD run, I doubt they WOULD run. And again... winter sucks. Have you ever gone for a walk or a jog when it was -10f outside? In a foot of snow with ice forming on your funny parts? Trust me... if you live somewhere warm like Texas or California or Florida, count it as a blessing from [insert diety here]. Cold sucks and that's a definite benefit of cars, imho.

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Quote: "If you boycott gas, then you put smaller gas companies out of business (which in another thread I thought you were against)"

We're not boycotting "mom-n-pop's gas garage." With this boycott, you can still buy gas anywhere that isn't an Exxon. And besides, I don't feel as much sympathy for oil pumper companies as I do regular stores... I kinda compare saying this boycott would hurt smaller oil companies with saying laws against drugs hurt marijuana growers But seriously, I don't think it would effect them. Exxon doesn't buy from little guys, they just buy them out, or so I'm told


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You know, all you have to do is be smart about your consumption. Don't get an SUV. I drive a hybrid Honda Civic, gets an average 42 mpg (after me pushing a little heavy for the past few weeks, once had it at 50). I only have to get gas about once a month. There's a way to drive to maximize your milage.


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Again, this thread has nothing to do with Radiohead or NYC... I used it as a cheap ploy to draw people into this thread, because a lot of people are sick of me talking about Radiohead, New York City/ State, and some have labeled me a bit "extreme" and over-the-top with my political stuff I felt that if I made the title of this thread "Boycott Exxon" no one would have read it. Cheap, dirty, and stupid often get the job done I love radiohead, NY, and I'm hardcore with my beliefs... that makes me the badguy and hated by everyone but in this thread, I used that to my advantage


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Quote: "they create more environmental havoc with the electricity they suck up than they help"


You don't have to plug in Prius'

They generate power from the spinning wheels and applying the brakes, etc. Don't tell me you're also against conserving otherwise wasted energy

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Posted: 19th May 2006 08:39 Edited at: 19th May 2006 08:40
I didn't know, that's why I said, and I quote:

Quote: "Please note that I'm asking, not informing, lol... I don't know and I'd like to know, before someone quotes me and rips my lungs out "

Can I have those back now?

The plug-in ones use up a lot of power. So the Prius is like one big alternator? If that's the case then maybe I should look into them . Conserving energy is one of the only things I'm conservative about *hopes that doesn't trigger interstellar war*


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Quote: "Again, this thread has nothing to do with Radiohead or NYC... I used it as a cheap ploy"

Haha, he made you say radiohead and cheap in the same sentence.

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Quote: "Even I'll admit that I like faster cars and I wouldn't want to suffer driving fun for a cleaner environment, and I'm one of those hardcore leftist believers in how aweful global warming is."


There's 'your' problem right there. When I say your, I mean the majority of car owners. I also come from a place that has this mythical creature called Winter, and yes - it's cold and unpleasant to go 'outside' when the mythical beast descends on the landscape. But you can and people have for centuries - and I'm curious as to why public transport hasn't been mentioned yet. Buses, trains, trams, etc - you do have these, yes? Overcrowded, overpriced, irregular public transport? We do, and I use it. Oh poor me forced to share transport with strangers and deal with delays of literally MINUTES!! to my journeys.

By the way, though I take no part in the above suggestion to boycott anyone (after all, I don't have a car or buy petrol, so I can't) for those in the UK, Exxon is Esso to us. Same company.
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Yeah Tinkergirl you tell them. I too use the bus.

The most interesting thing about Petrol costs rising is that it is 99.9p on the big sign at my local outlet. Now, the sign only has 3 digits, so I wonder what they're going to do when it goes above £1.00...

I literally can't wait. I bet they'll put a paper 1 infront of the 3 digits.

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Guh, hate busses - really hate them, I always get stuck next to some old git reeking of pee.

When I can't get to work by car, I cycle the 7 miles rather than bus-it. I don't mind trains, but busses are really the pits.

Might just be my bus service though, I remember falling asleep and missing my stop, then the driver accusing me of 'bumping' him, yeah, I deliberately went past my house so I could take abuse from him then walk back up the hill home, just so I could rob him of 3p. Bus drivers are largely made up from the mentally ill around here (Fife).

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Posted: 19th May 2006 19:43
I'll take any other form of transport long before I take a bus or subway, because I'd rather freeze to death on a bicycle than get stunk to death on a bus. Smelly, stinky, nasty 350 lb. dudes in pink spandex pants with Tazmanian Devil t-shirts, staring at you like a piece of meat, drooling all over themselves, picking certain regions of their bodies with their thumb and smelling the tangy results... WHERE DO I SIGN UP!!!

Anyway, I didn't mention those because, with the exception of the Subway, they all use petrol. Not that we should boycott them, but in the long term they'll all need to be converted to some alternative fuel, and they're REALLY bad for the environment otherwise. We have natural gas busses here, and allegedly they're better for the environment, but I don't know if that's true or not (it doesn't seem very likely since they still pump black smoke from the exaust pipe). I exclude the subway because of their third rail But there's no worse way to get around town: pact like sardines in a crushd tin box (there, a Radiohead reference, lol) during rush hour, dangerous any other time.


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Posted: 19th May 2006 20:41
The whole idea of public transport being better for the environment is that ONE vehicle creates emissions instead of 20+ vehicles with one person in them.

Yes, I know they're smelly. Yes, I know that freaks are invariably drawn to them. It's good to know that you'd rather the planet was choked to death, and contributed to the rise of asthma in children - than suffer bodily smells and horrible looks.

I had to deal with those when I worked in EB! If they smell, move - if you can't, bring deoderant/air freshener and spray liberally around you. Open a window perhaps. Hell, wear noseplugs. Otherwise my heart will fail to bleed.
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Posted: 19th May 2006 22:15
Too bad I live in such a small town no buses are here to use. That's why we need gas for us people who live where you are unable to use public transport such as buses and trams and trains. Not here.
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Posted: 19th May 2006 22:53
Just before I moved to the area around where I work, I didn't have the luxury of a bus that would take me from my city. Therefore, bussing isn't an option for everyone.

And then there's our government trying to sell us on carpooling--- but literally nobody from work lived nearby where I did, so I was left with no other option than to drive.

Now I SkyTrain and bus every day. Not so bad as the bus I take is moderately clean.

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Posted: 19th May 2006 23:07
Carpooling isn't all its cracked up to be. Not everyone works a 9-5 job. My job for instance has varying hours week-by-week. I might go in from 10 to 6 one day and then 1-9 the next, and my co-employees live in the suburbs on the opposite side of work from me a same or greater distance in the least... so they (or I) would have to drive PAST work and then a distance equal to the one I would normally drive to work just to pick them up and drive BACK to work in an equal or greater distance I normally would have driven. That's like 150% of my trip or something, so in effect, I'm using just as much gas and hurting the environment as much as I would if both of us were driving to work that day (and usually only one or two of us come in at the same time anyway, and one or two of us leaves at the same time, usually the same two). Wow, that may have been the most confusing paragraph I've ever written

There was a thing on the news about a few service stations out in Montana or one of those states that are joining the Exxon boycott, and several of them sold Exxon gas, so I'm assuming they're either not selling gasoline at all or they're offering some other company's fuel. In either case, rock on. We don't need EVERYONE to boycott, we just need ENOUGH people to boycott... that's all it ever takes.


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Posted: 20th May 2006 01:20
Where I live, it's honestly faster to take the train/subway/bus combo. Not alot of people drive...


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Posted: 20th May 2006 22:59 Edited at: 20th May 2006 23:00
Not alot of people drive here, either... everyone either takes cabs, rides busses, or rides the subway when you get closer to the city. During the summer you see a lot of people walking around. One thing I noticed right off the bat when I went to Idaho for the first time (where my girlfriend is originally from) is that NO ONE walks... I mean, at all. The only place to see people walking around is (A) indoors, or (B) from their cars to their homes/ shopping centers/ places of employment. Then you come here and see thousands of people flooding the streets and its a completely different atmosphere.

But there are always commuters. There are people who live here in Binghamton who commute into NYC every day, and likewise from the other direction there's tens of thousands of people who commute into the city from Long Island every day, and Yonkers, and New Jersey, and PA (Pennsylvania), and every other place. It might be a minority, but it's a lot of cars nevertheless and enough to warrant a boycott in this area.

So far, our local boycott is going fine. And I know that in lots of other places there are similar Exxon boycotts going on, too, and those are reportedly having great results. My only hope is that enough of us are doing it that, in about a month's time, they'll start feeling the pressure and taking us seriously. All you can do in life is try and hope for the best, and that's exactly what we're doing


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Posted: 21st May 2006 00:40
While we have to rely on oil, we should make a stand, I have been boycotting Exxon for some months now, and feel if we all stood up and be counted, we can show the fat cats, we are in control, we are the customer/consumer, and we are fed up with being ripped off, just because we rely on fossil fuels, and our Governments wont commit to looking for alternatives, coz they are making tons of money.


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Posted: 21st May 2006 08:34
Preach it Aoneweb

People keep suggesting we extend the boycott to Mobil as well... are they linked? Or are they just the top two? Anyway, for those of you who are doing the boycott, keep up the good work, and for those of you who aren't... start!


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Posted: 21st May 2006 10:21
I've boycotted Exxon since January.









I also totaled my car in January

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Posted: 21st May 2006 21:51
At least you're boycotting, even if not by choice


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Posted: 22nd May 2006 11:13
I buy gas at the closest pump when I notice the car is near empty. It doesn't matter to me where I go (we don't have Exxon here anyways). Boycotting is a nice idea in theory, but in reality it won't work. Little groups of people spread sparse across the globe is not going to matter one bit in the big picture.

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Posted: 22nd May 2006 21:26
But boycotting has worked repeatedly in the past, as I pointed out earlier. The Nike protest is a great example of small groups of people protesting and being effective. If we can achieve the same level of boycotting parties that the Nike protest did, then we have a chance at making our feeling known. I've even heard of swells of exxon protesters at gas pumps arguing their cases with pickett signs... although admittedly I'm too lazy for that


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