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David T
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Posted: 29th May 2006 14:05
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Anybody here using the beta of 2007? What do you think?

I think it's pretty awesome actually. The tool ribbon actually works and makes life much easier when editing, plus there's a lot of premade stuff so you can get a professional looking document out quickly.

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Posted: 29th May 2006 14:40
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I wont be bothering to get it - after, OpenOffice is nice and free.

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David T
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Posted: 29th May 2006 16:09
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The beta's free, why not?

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Chenak
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The new Office since version 2k are aweful, I hate the really annoying pop ups like the bar that shows up when you decide to try to copy something, or that bloody paperclip that pops up randomly.

The help constantly tries to connect to the internet, that drawing box thing appearing when I don't want it to appear and the complete inability to remove the damn US language dictionary which it defaults to EVERY single time it starts up.

There are settings which can stop all of this (apart from the damn US dictionary settings) but when you are on a networked workstation which doesnt allow you to it can get very annoying, very quickly. Office 97 rules though
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Posted: 29th May 2006 16:56
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neo office for mac suits me fine. open office for my linux box and pc.

at work we still have the office 2003 with contact manager on most machines.
when my boss decides its cool to blow 2 grand on four installs he will.
for now its left to the intarweber-testers.

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Posted: 29th May 2006 17:10
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Quote: "The beta's free, why not?"


I'm sure it includes let more usless features, uses even more ram and takes even longer to start than the older versions. I know how to do everything I need and more importantly know the keyboard shortcuts. A new ui that alegedly makes it easier to get at the hundreads of options I never use isn't exactly a big draw. AbiWord and excel 97 do everything I need already.

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Apparently the default font is no longer Times New Roman and the replacement is Sans Serif (something called Calibri): http://fadtastic.net/2006/05/27/the-end-of-an-era-for-times-new-roman/

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I've been using WordPerfect for years and it does exactly what I want without a bunch of bloat. I use Microsoft Excel once in a while, but it's the only thing with MS Office that I ever use. I dunno why, but I don't get along with MS Word. It just seems clunky and bloated to me.


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Toby Quan
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I recently bought the complete version of Office 97 for less than $50. It's all I'll ever need! Low price and good quality software! Everything after Office 97 is too bloated for my liking.
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Posted: 29th May 2006 18:33
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Never heard of openoffice before. Does it open all MS office documents?


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Yes, it does.

Whilst 2007 is free - its only beta, and thus could be buggified and time-limited.

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Posted: 29th May 2006 19:01
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Wow - I shouldn't really be surprised, it's the typical set of opinions!

I may be completely alone is thinking that the new versions of Office are actually pretty damned amazing.

Quote: "The new Office since version 2k are aweful, I hate the really annoying pop ups like the bar that shows up when you decide to try to copy something, or that bloody paperclip that pops up randomly. "


In 2007 everything's cut back now. Tools are along the top, full stop. When you're editing a table, new tabs appear with table tools. Stop editing a table and they go away. Quite nice and clean.

Quote: "I'm sure it includes let more usless features, uses even more ram and takes even longer to start than the older versions."


Takes about 2 secs here. Quicker than 2003. As for useless features, not found any yet. Still thats in the eye of the beholder.

Quote: "Apparently the default font is no longer Times New Roman and the replacement is Sans Serif (something called Calibri): http://fadtastic.net/2006/05/27/the-end-of-an-era-for-times-new-roman/"


Yes, 6 beautiful new fonts. Calibri is a ncie mix between Arial and Lucida.

As for bloat, at least give the new one a try. The interfaces are really very very clean and likeable.

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David R
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Posted: 29th May 2006 19:21
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Being completely honest, I think its a useless pile of crap. Its looks pretty and it works. Well done Microsoft. But isn't that what all the Office apps should of done for the last ten years or so?

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Posted: 29th May 2006 19:23
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I cant fuction without Office 2003, I use Word, Excel and Outlook on a daily basis, I will try the 2007, and see whats up.
Thanks David for letting us know the Bata is out.
More when I have given it a try.


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Posted: 29th May 2006 19:24
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I've been using Office 2000 for a long time and found it the best version so far. Recently I 'upgraded' to Office 2003 but I'm not sure I like it yet. Seems kind of weird. Excel has far too many little popup helpy things and it ruins look of some cells by highlighting certain formala cells with a weird little green triangle, even though there is nothing wrong. Looks like a trip to the pages and pages of options is needed to turn off all the cr*p.

I have read some detailed reviews of the new Office and it does sound very good, specially the new ribbon controls, but it's not cheap to keep upgrading just for the sake of it.

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Posted: 29th May 2006 20:39
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i am and its awsome, my favorite part is the new look on WORD.

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Posted: 29th May 2006 21:15
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I use 2003 (I believe) at work, and it's totally rubbish. Well, Word is. Excel is not bad (just rough around the edges here and there, although VBA can rock), and Access seems the same. Word though totally sucks. I mean big style. Is really really hard to make it do something sometimes because it decided you wanted a style a certain way (auto font changing for example). Honestly, Word 97 was pretty glued down, but since then forget it.

Out of interest can you install the 2007 beta without effecting the old Office? If so I may give it a go to see if Word has further imploded.

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Posted: 30th May 2006 00:30
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Quote: "Out of interest can you install the 2007 beta without effecting the old Office? If so I may give it a go to see if Word has further imploded."


Yep, its separate.

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Yea it only took 2 secs here as well, using 17k of my memory. I love it, works great.

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I wasn't too impressed with the Office beta, I'm sticking with Open Office 2.0.2 I don't see any real advantages just features I'd rarely use.


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I only have a few questions...

Does it STILL save multiple 'cuts' or 'copies' and show a pop-up about it?
Randomly take over HTML Editing unless you fully remove those abilities.
Annoy you by placing 'tabs' where you pasted things or it corrects it.
Randomly get stuck on spell check or grammar check. Sometimes even suggesting words that don't exist.


I'm sorry. I just get annoyed sometimes by Microsoft's way of updating it's software. Assume your user is an idiot is a good way to make software... but adding in features that are helpful to some and not to others without any clear way to turn them off (some can be though reading lists of options) expecally if they can annoy you... that is hardly an update.

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I haven't seen or used it, but from what I've heard from ppl using it at work its horrible. I heard they changed all the menus around and got rid of the toolbar and replaces it with some new concept. I guess proficient pc users are even having trouble using it due to its layout.

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Quote: "Does it STILL save multiple 'cuts' or 'copies' and show a pop-up about it?"


Haven't seen the office clipboard yet, but if it is there, it can be disabled.

Quote: "Randomly take over HTML Editing unless you fully remove those abilities."


Hasn't so far.

Quote: "Annoy you by placing 'tabs' where you pasted things or it corrects it."


Haven't seen smart tabs yet but I imagine they're still there. I think they're a very good idea - if you ignore them, they just go away. On the other hand if it had altered something you wanted keeping, you can go back and get your text back.

Quote: "Randomly get stuck on spell check or grammar check. Sometimes even suggesting words that don't exist."


That depends on your language and is rather subjective

Quote: "I haven't seen or used it, but from what I've heard from ppl using it at work its horrible. I heard they changed all the menus around and got rid of the toolbar and replaces it with some new concept. I guess proficient pc users are even having trouble using it due to its layout."


I'm quite liking it. Makes editing rather quick. It's a bit like the Wii - at first everybody said WTF? and once you use it people are starting to go "aaaaah". It's better having all tool in one ribbon rather than scattering them around toolbars, panels, menus or flyouts.

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I just downloaded the office pack yesterday. I didn't expect to see that new design they've used! But I really like it. It looks clean. Also, the new toolbar is very effective. Really quick to navigate in my opinnion. So I will be keeping this beta

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Posted: 30th May 2006 19:58 Edited at: 30th May 2006 19:59
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@David T:
Then it would appear that it is no longer doing most of the annoying things I hate... unlike most people, I typically read what I am typing while typing, unless I am copying notes that is... so if word makes a stupid auto correct I just ctrl z it instantly.
And when re-reading my mouse acts as a guide line... so I get all these tabs popping up. Even then, sometimes when editing a word I hit the 'hidden tab' and have to close that.

To me, the biggest problem probably wouldn't be that they exist... but that word has the BEST ORGANIZED OPTIONS MENU (note sarcasm) it is obvious where what you want to turn off is if you know where it is, but not if you don’t...

As for 'Randomly taking over html abilities' that is something that occurs if there if you have 1 of many HTML additions installed. I always use notepad for my HTML necessities, so when office changes that field with the HTML doc (and then keeps changing it back [might be due to updates I got at the time]) I am really pissed.


I actually might upgrade... I really need an upgrade to the current office set I have, and as long as the majority of the redundant features are turned off in the start I can live with figuring out how to turn off the others.

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