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Matt Rock
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Posted: 9th Jun 2006 21:49
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This was on MSN today: A judge in Tampa Florida ordered two lawyers to settle their dispute by having them play Rock Paper Scissors. Now if only we could settle other real-life disputes this way


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Posted: 9th Jun 2006 21:55
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I think a gun fight would do.


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Posted: 9th Jun 2006 21:57 Edited at: 9th Jun 2006 21:57
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I believe this is a perfect example of how to use the phrase "Only in America."

It's a pretty nice idea though. They should put it to use more often.

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Posted: 9th Jun 2006 22:17
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They should do this to determine who's guilty of rape or murder.


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Posted: 10th Jun 2006 05:31
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Quote: "They should do this to determine who's guilty of rape or murder."

I wouldn't go that far, and I don't think using guns will help any either (it's a proven fact that the death penalty is NOT a deterrent and the US is one of the only countries in the world backward enough to still implement it). I've said for years that wars should be settled by having the leaders of the involved countries sit down to play Tekken


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Its only backwards if you believe it is. We still use the basic concept of the wheel, but that isnt backwards, now is it? As far as I am concerned, that is the ONLY way to stop murders and mass-rapists. Putting them in jail is not a solution, only means these people are still alive, and have a chance (albeit extremely low, but in the US, who knows) of escaping.

I agree with megaton. Then I wouldnt have jury duty.

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I had jury duty yesterday, and they solved their dispute over a combination game of russian roulette, Call of Duty 2, and pin the tail on the donkey. Needless to say, the jury and audience were the only people who can win in that kind of situation.

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Posted: 10th Jun 2006 09:06
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Quote: "it's a proven fact that the death penalty is NOT a deterrent"


Proof? Links?

I would say it's a proven fact that harsher sentencing makes criminals think twice. Canada is implementing minimum sentencing right now, in fact, as our justice system is a joke.

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Posted: 10th Jun 2006 09:18
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Quote: "I would say it's a proven fact that harsher sentencing makes criminals think twice. Canada is implementing minimum sentencing right now, in fact, as our justice system is a joke."


@Jeku - Not as much as America's: where else in the world can you fine a dead guy 600 dollers for commiting suicide in public? America is in a sad state when my neighbors care more about animal rights than millions of people being butchered in Rowanda.

@ Matt Rock - Who proved that?

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The death penalty is a deterrant. Would you call someone names if there was a death penalty for it? The reason that in alot of cases the death penalty doesn't cut the rate of crimes down is that you can't get it from killing just one person in most cases but have to be a multiple murderer. Even then it's hard to get the death penalty approved and the criminals know this. If it was one conviction for murder and auto death penalty instituted you would see a bigger decrease in murders. And if you cut out the 15 years worth of appeals and all the BS reasons to make evidence inadmissable, you would see an even larger decrease.

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Lets not get all political now, shall we?

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Quote: "(it's a proven fact that the death penalty is NOT a deterrent and the US is one of the only countries in the world backward enough to still implement it)"


Yeah, it doesn't work. They come back as Zombies, and kill even more people.

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I understand this is getting political, but I feel really strongly about this. Sorry guys.


I saw this documentary once of interrogation tactics used. I'm a bit rusty on the story, I saw it years ago, but it's something like this. One guy was accused of killing two people and after long interrogation, he admitted to his crime. He got the death penalty.

After he died, it turned out that he was innocent, and had the mental age of an 8 year old. It's believed that he was so under pressure from the interrogators, he just lied to get them to stop.
Surely the police should have noticed when he (apparently) asked for a happy meal as his last meal.

Justify that, people.

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Posted: 10th Jun 2006 22:34
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Quote: "Justify that, people"
His lawyer sucked. Even the cheapest and sorriest lawyers know to do a mental check on thier patients to help either prove them innocent agianst their own admission or decrease their punishment if guilty.

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Posted: 10th Jun 2006 22:50
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Instead of debating about it, why don't you all become chife justices? Or something to that effect. Talk to your state senator, telling people how you feel won't help change laws. Putting your feelings into action will.
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Posted: 10th Jun 2006 23:34
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I favour the deaf penalty - A penalty where a big fat man shouts really loud in both your ears for around a month, rendering them perminently useless flaps of funny looking skin.

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Posted: 11th Jun 2006 00:05
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Now thats more like it.

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Posted: 11th Jun 2006 03:00 Edited at: 11th Jun 2006 03:02
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Quote: "Proof? Links?"

Okay Jeku... if you really need links, try here, here, here, here,
here, here, or here. I could get you a few thousand more if you need them Sorry Jeku, but this is a debate that I'll win Just to warn everyone ahead of time, if anyone tries to go toe-to-toe with me on the death penalty topic, it'll probably be the biggest, longest, most horrible arguement we've ever had because this is a topic that I'm extremely one-sided on and I openly admit that I REFUSE to even attempt to see the other side because it's silly... someone kills someone you love, so you turn around and kill them, and it's all good (even though it's revenge) because the government does it? So if someone shoots my girlfriend, and I go shoot them in retaliation, I'd go to prison... but it's okay for me to go through the legal channels and get them pan-fried?

As a fact, btw, the states/ countries that implement the death penalty have HIGHER murder rates than the states that don't use it. Revenge doesn't work, period. And how many prisoners escape? Not many, and most of the ones who manage to pull it off are captured (or killed during pursuit) pretty quickly, too fast for them to murder again. Sorry guys, but this is a debate that I will not, under any circumstances, back down from... so if you guys want to get into this, be ready for a long, steamy debate


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Posted: 11th Jun 2006 03:06 Edited at: 11th Jun 2006 03:37
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So a man kills 13,796 people and we should have to feed him, cloth him, and house him for the rest of his life. Making it so he doesn't have to work. Yeah big punishment. If I was a criminal and there was no death penalty, I'd go kill a few people just to never have to worry about where my next meal was coming from or trying to keep the lights turned on and the rent/ house payment paid.

[edit] Oh yeah and I forgot. It's inhumane to keep a prisoner with out Air Conditioning now, so we have to pay for that too. There is but one rule we sould live by. Treat others as you would have them treat you. If I killed someone's loved one, I would expect them or someone else to kill me.

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The homocide rate doesn't mean that it's not a deterrent because it's lower than other states. A real test would be the homocide rate before and after the death penalty was abolished.

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Well Matt, I agree that our current death penalty system is practically not worth it. However, were it less flawed, I would be much more in favor of it. It's ridiculous the amount of money we spend each time we execute someone! I also think a big factor is as someone pointed out that people think, "Oh yeah like I'll actually GET the death penalty. I'll just get fed and clothed for a while." Another thing is that very few criminals go in trying to get caught. Most don't think they will be, and so don't care about the consequences. So, as it stands, I am in favor of an improved death penalty, but not the current system where we spend millions just to execute someone...the romans may have been on to something with the colliseum. JK

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Posted: 11th Jun 2006 03:38 Edited at: 11th Jun 2006 03:39
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Quote: "Canada is implementing minimum sentencing right now, in fact, as our justice system is a joke."


He's right. We have bloody fluffy-bunny justice. A guy in my school has been charged with 12 Break and Entries. He only got community service as a punishment.


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Ugh...I hate breaking the AUP, but you really can't counter these arguments for the death penalty without delving into the philosophical side of thigs. Mods, feel free to edit/delete this post as you see fit. Thanks.


Matt Rock has the right idea here. There are more reasons as to why I am 100% against the death penalty though.

One innocent conviction is one too many, thus making the whole system unjust. In theory, if the crime can be proven, I'd still be against the idea but not so much.

Has anyone heard about the "let him have it" story? The guy who shot the policeman got 9 years or something like that. His menally ill friend who said "let him have it" got the death penalty. It's widely believed that the meaning of the sentance was not "shoot the man" but "let him have the gun". Pretty dodgy stuff if you ask me.
Do a seach on Derek Bentley.

The problem is, that there have been numerous cases where innocent people have been killed for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Secondly, what about short term mental illness? It's a risk, but some people may have genuinely changed and regret what they did. Do they deserve to die? Remember, two wrongs don't make a right.

Murder is sick, so why sink to their level? It makes no sense.

Never underestimate the power of guilt either. Sure there will be some who won't have it, but the majority of sane people will suffer as long as they're alive. I know I would. I can't even hit someone in the face without feeling guilty.

Assuming then, that mental illness is a main cause of extreme crimes, would a mentally ill person care or even consider the consequences? If not, then how could the threat of death stop them from commiting the crime?

There's a bunch of reasons why I believe the death penalty is a bad idea. Pick your favourite.


Again, sorry for breaking the AUP. Feel free to delete this if you want.

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Quote: "I'm from Texas and in Texas we have the death penalty and we use it. That's right, if you come to Texas and kill somebody, we will kill you back. That's our policy. Right now there's a bill in the Texas legislature that would speed up the execution process of those convicted of a heinous crime with more than three credible witnesses. If more than three people saw you do what you did you don't sit on death row for 15 years Jack, you go straight to the front of the line. Other states are trying to abolish the death penalty. My state's puttin in an express lane."


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Bahamut: I don't think you understand the purpose of death penalty. It is not to actually punish anyone, but rather to send a message to people: Don't do these crimes.

People who are also "at the wrong place at the wrong time" are rare. Alot of them socialize with criminals to begin with. If you're a bystander, or you been framed, I don't see what's to worry about it.


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Quote: "Quote: "I'm from Texas and in Texas we have the death penalty and we use it. That's right, if you come to Texas and kill somebody, we will kill you back. That's our policy. Right now there's a bill in the Texas legislature that would speed up the execution process of those convicted of a heinous crime with more than three credible witnesses. If more than three people saw you do what you did you don't sit on death row for 15 years Jack, you go straight to the front of the line. Other states are trying to abolish the death penalty. My state's puttin in an express lane."

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I'm on the fence about the whole thing. I frankly don't expect to ever have to worry about the death penalty or going to prison in my lifetime (not anymore... ), but where are we going to keep all these bad guys? Who likes spending tax money on prisons with the possibility of having to build more and live next to one? Then we wonder are we giving them the easy way out? Do many not even care?


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Agreed.

What bothers me about the whoel death penalty thing is the cost, i ehard it cosst more to kill a guy nowadays than it does to house him in prison for life. The U.S. spends an average of $3 million dollars on something that could be solved with a 12 cent bullet, but oh of course, thatd be inhumane

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Make them hold their breath for so long that they float away and block up the hole in the ozone layer. Talk about 2 birds with 1 stone.

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They should make the moon a penitentiary. It would be a pretty bad punishment to be exiled to the moon...


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I disagree. We should establish an orbital Jupiter Facility. Thats far away from Earth.

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Matt Rock - I read all those links; They certainly offer good arguments, but they don't prove anything. Besides I couldn't care if it acted as a deterrent or not. I'm just frustrated because once I am no longer a student, I'm going to have to support millions of criminals for the rest of their lives! Where is the justice in that? By the time I die, thousands of my tax dollers will have gone to feed, cloth, and entertain; rapists, child-molesters, and murderers(SP?). I would much rather that people who commit said crimes were just lined up and shot. Yeah, no more 3 million doller syringes either. This might not lower my taxes but atleast the money could be spent on better things.

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