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OSX Using Happy Dude
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Posted: 25th Jun 2006 00:03 Edited at: 25th Jun 2006 00:04
Outrun 2006 is finally out for the PC, and I must say its really rather good (much like today's Dr Who).

Even better, it doesn't feature Starforce.

The only problem is it doesn't seem to like 64-bit OS's - every so often it slows to a grinding halt, so I have to play it on another computer...

Anyhoo, here's a picture of me in a F50 - no idea who the blonde is though... Probably came free with the car.



As you can see, the graphics are extremely good - the sight of the San Fransico bridge is amazing.

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Posted: 25th Jun 2006 00:09
Yeah, it looks good. I might get it.

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Posted: 25th Jun 2006 00:09
The important thing is - does it have "Magical Sound Shower"?

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Posted: 25th Jun 2006 00:11
Yes, it also has the old version - but you need to collect money to buy it.

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Posted: 25th Jun 2006 01:49
One of the rivals has had to go for a wii behind a bush!!!

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Posted: 25th Jun 2006 13:07
Erm, that screenshot doesn't look that great. Will have to take your word of fantastic visuals as I am too lazy to browse to the site. More screenshots please!

Although I love Outrun. Outrun 2 was a bit of a let down though, so hopefully this will perk things up a little. Although a Sega Rally/ Daytona complete 100% arcade conversion (with updated graphics of course) with full seat and steering wheel would be my dream. Loved Daytona....

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Posted: 25th Jun 2006 13:13
I have to concur with Dazzag. From that screenshot, the graphics look very average indeed. I never played Outrun, so I don't know anything about it. It's obviously an arcade racer, so what makes it cool? What are it's funky bits?

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Posted: 25th Jun 2006 13:32
Well I initially thought it was a DB demo someone had made here. Not bad sure, but you can even see how you could fairly easily produce that screenshot yourself. There is a lot of straight lines, and the green stuff doesn't look that great.

What makes it so cool? Hmmm. It was pretty much the first really cool racer I suppose. With good graphics etc. Funky bits? Erm, you had a blonde next to you.... at the end of each level you could decide to go left or right (different levels), and erm..... Well, it was good at the time... Oh, and the music was tops.

Personally at the time, for similar games, I much preferred Enduro Racer. Get hold of the speccy version and give it a blast. Top game. Funky bits were you were on a bike and could do wheelies to jump over tree trunks and the like. Was tops. Oooh, and that reminds me of Buggy Boy. Top game too. Couldn't you drive on two wheels in that game?...

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Posted: 25th Jun 2006 13:37
well since its a racing game you probably dont realise they used lesser graphics or deliberatly stretched the ground to make speed better, which is why you shouldent really look at pictures of racing games , look at the new gran turismo for the ps3 for example everyone was saying how awsome it was and i saw about 10secs and it looked very poor imo, other than the addition of the pit crews and things the crowd looked like they only have 10different models and the crowd just repeated, and the crowds shadows looked very misaligned not to mention the loor terrain in the backgrounds i really hope those were alpha shots cause alot of that other than the cars could well be done in dbp.

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Posted: 25th Jun 2006 14:07
Quote: "could well be done in dbp"
The point though is "could". Hell you could make a photo realistic room in DBP, it just wouldn't run very fast. My point is the Outrun picture looked like it could easily (comparitively speaking) be done by anyone here. Ignore DBP though, I'm just talking about hobby programmers. It doesn't look like a team of 25 people took 12 months to produce it is all. A better screen would help methinks.

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Posted: 25th Jun 2006 14:50 Edited at: 25th Jun 2006 14:51
Here are a couple more. It looks pretty good, but again, I wouldn't say amazing.





Must admit though, I don't like these sorts of racers. I used to love Daytona etc. but these days I can't stand the scripted kinda powerslides. They strip the skill and reward out of the game for me by making its pretty much all about full power most of the time and scripted powerslides that you easily control and look the same every single time.

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Posted: 25th Jun 2006 16:02
Daytona was awesome. Found an old four player version a year or so back and it was still as good as I remember (unlike a lot of emulated games). I remember playing a version in London back almost a decade ago now which must have had at least 10 players on it. Great stuff.

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Posted: 25th Jun 2006 22:42
Yah, compared to Burnout Revenge, NFS MW or PGR3 for 360, Outrun 2 looks pale in comparison.


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Posted: 25th Jun 2006 23:54
I don't like Ridge Racer Fake Powerslides. So if this has fake powerslides then I won't like it.

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Posted: 25th Jun 2006 23:59 Edited at: 26th Jun 2006 00:04
I do - so easy to control. Its a very fast game - dont know about Burnout, as its not availiable for the PC...



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Posted: 26th Jun 2006 09:38
The graphics look good, but I've seen better..

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Posted: 26th Jun 2006 09:59
And what PC racing game would that be ?

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Posted: 26th Jun 2006 10:53
I got it for my son on PS2, and it came with a free steering wheel It is good, and that's because they've retained the arcade-style playability. It's not supposed to be a car-sim, it's just pure adrenaline-pumped fun. The powerslides are simple but addictive, and the "chick" just loves you for it!

Quote: "The girlfriends arm-waving is amusing, especially when you dont win "

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Posted: 26th Jun 2006 11:00 Edited at: 26th Jun 2006 11:02
Yes, the girls always wondering how far you'll take her...

And of course its a multi-player game - had a go with my Dad yesterday, but he kept crashing into everything. Hopefully, if my sister will play it, I'll finally have a challenge.

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Posted: 4th Jul 2006 22:57
i've got it for ps2 i wouldn't say the ps2 graphics were as good as the pc but still quite good

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Posted: 5th Jul 2006 01:34 Edited at: 5th Jul 2006 01:34
Sweet! Just realized they have 4-player sitdown Outrun 2 machines at the arcade at work

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Quote: "look at the new gran turismo for the ps3 for example everyone was saying how awsome it was and i saw about 10secs and it looked very poor imo"


Poor?

http://uk.media.ps3.ign.com/media/713/713809/img_3075314.html

I would seriously SERIOUSLY like to see you do better.

I hate when people complain about graphics.

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Posted: 5th Jul 2006 02:02
@Drew - Is that real-time rendering, though. That's the real question.


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This new suped up version looks pretty polished to me, especially if it can keep the speed up. I might look for a video in a mo. Not sure about the HUGE onscreen graphics though (HUD).

This thread has just taken me way back... I wrote a version of Outrun for the Link480z computer when I was at school. Now that gives my age away
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Posted: 5th Jul 2006 10:07 Edited at: 5th Jul 2006 10:10
Gran Turismo for the PS3 looks great! He he, but they did cheat a lot. Look at the pre-rendered shadows of the crowds. There are 3 people standing there with at least 6 shadows. Still looks great though.



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Posted: 5th Jul 2006 12:45
Yes, doesn't look terribly good.

Has anyone tried Flatout 2 - now that is good!

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Posted: 5th Jul 2006 13:05
mmm. Isn´t the new GT just Gt4 with higher resolutioness? I´ll answer that myself..it is. So basically. No it isn´t good graphics but who cares. It doesn´t say GT5 so it doesn´t matter.

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Posted: 5th Jul 2006 13:22
If none of these screen shots are good enough, I think y'all just explained why indie developers will never get a break. Consumer expectations are too high.



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Posted: 5th Jul 2006 13:23
Or perhaps developers no long try ?

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IMO Indie devs should spend their time on the gameplay and immediacy of playability - not worry about the graphics so much, as you can never really compete on that. And if you do then you clearly spent too long on the graphics

As has been mentioned on other threads, its quite limiting that DBPro requires the latest and greatest DX version/Graphics cards by users where the "natural audience" for Indie developed games would be the more casual gamer, perhaps wasting an hour at lunch time on their low specced office PC.

It doesn't really matter what Outrun 2006 looks like (to a point) as its got the gameplay...so very few racers these days allow you to race from Point A to Point B, not endless "Laps" around the same old courses. Who cares if they don't render every blade of grass - at the speed you're going, you're not gonna notice it anyway.

Personally, I have this game on PSP and the framerate is quite shockingly bad (when other cars are on screen), but I still really like it because the arcade gameplay is still very much intact.

Or maybe its just me, I wonder who else here preferred the original Daytona on Saturn with its terribly blocky & jerky graphics but with the original arcade handling pretty much intact to the more "visually pleasing" CCE version with its higher res, "smooth" 30 FPS but the cars all handled like boats. No contest.

And someone mentioned that this could be done in DBPro? Or rather
Quote: "the Outrun picture looked like it could easily (comparitively speaking) be done by anyone here"
And that is perhaps true - as a static picture...put car here, pop on some reflection shader, some grass, a bit of water....but to actually code a game as mighty as this....it would take years & years of dedication I reckon, not to mention talent.

Although it looks pretty poopy now, Victory Road took me 18 months (of "spare time") to create in DB classic, and it didn't even have hills!
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Posted: 5th Jul 2006 16:14 Edited at: 5th Jul 2006 16:14
I would now like to see a decent remake of either Chase HQ 2, Roadblasters, Spy Hunter or Wipeout - there are no racing games, for the PC, that allow you to use weapons - aside from Auto Assult - but thats a MMORG.

I figured out the problem I had with Outrun, by the way. For some reason, the internal Realtek sound system was causing the game to slow down...

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I have been thinking about remaking Wipeout or Destruction Derby.

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Once PhysX is out mate, a remake of Destruction Derby would be quality, especially using the new vertex commands to dent the cars on the fly. In contrast, I always thought Wipeout was rubbish.

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Posted: 5th Jul 2006 23:05
I dunno--- I have a hard time finding any driving game as realistic as PGR3 on the 360. Every car's interior is even realistically modeled. Very cool




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The GT screen for the PS3 looks like crap. What's with the DBP-like terrain?


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Outruns version :



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Quote: "If none of these screen shots are good enough, I think y'all just explained why indie developers will never get a break"
That wasn't my original point. The original post said "As you can see, the graphics are extremely good - the sight of the San Fransico bridge is amazing". From the "as you can see" we had a pretty average image that IMO didn't deserve "the graphics are extremely good". Considering we only had this image to go on in this thread then I didn't think this was an unfair comment to make. Should have posted the bridge picture if it was amazing. As to static images, again the only media we had was a static picture along with "as you can see".

Graphics-wise I don't really care if they are top notch as long as it plays well. But thats not what this post said.

Oh, and if it's like Outrun 2 that I have on the (insert console here because I can't remember which one I have it on - possibly multiple ones) then it won't be much cop to play.

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