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Geek Culture / XP + 5 years and M$ makes its move

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heartbone
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Posted: 30th Jun 2006 02:50 Edited at: 30th Jun 2006 02:52
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right on time I might say (as predicted by me) as soon as I found out that Windows XP eXPires. I was roundly ridiculed for that speculation at the time, but I know what makes Gates tick.

Read more...

I haven't pirated Windows XP, but I sure am a Windows 98 expert!

After this summer I expect any Windows 98 commercial support to quickly dry up. It seems any innovations that are currently happening are heavy into security and DRM.

After My XP SP2 system is deemed obsolete (the next step) I'll be up to speed on Linux.

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549 of 666 comments <rolls eyes>
I fixed the bolding error there, chief

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Oh yeah.
In case you don't know.
Check out the contents of this file if you are a member of the "trusted" community. Look at the end. C:\Windows\Windows Update.txt

Holy bat farts ratman! Windows® Genuine Advantage indeed. (Windows® = M$)

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Have you considered OS X?
Industry standard now for so many areas of the creative arts, medicine,and development.

If you do go linux, you still need a valid Win disk to emulate Direct X, and it will always be behind the latest version.

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I dont have that file....

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Wait... So this means I have to download WGA, or my system will go kabloom?

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For me it's called WindowsUpdate.log. Anyway, that's lame, and it makes me crave a powerbook.


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Posted: 30th Jun 2006 04:01
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Pah, it's still all speculation. I'll believe it when I see it actually happen. I know full well that WGA is 'required', and I installed it on both my PCs with no issues at all. It can 'call home' all it likes, I couldn't give two hoots, I'm running legal copies of Windows. Had my keys been rejected then I guess I'd be a bit pissed, but they weren't. At the moment this is definitely one of those 'doesn't effect you until it bites your ass' situations.

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Posted: 30th Jun 2006 04:32
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Quote: "At the moment this is definitely one of those 'doesn't effect you until it bites your ass' situations"


as the saying goes...

Quote: "Bite my shiny metal ass"


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Posted: 30th Jun 2006 10:24 Edited at: 30th Jun 2006 10:34
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My bad, BearCDP you are correct,
it's not C:WindowsWindows Update.txt
it's C:WindowsWindowsUpdate.log

M$ just pushed another WGA update on me. I don't see how anyone on dialup can deal with this crap. Plus every 10 minutes or so it pops up a window saying that the update is almost complete and I must restart. I've had to select the "Restart Later" button thrice so far. I'm now attempting to ignore the dang thang even though there's no minimize button and it is always on top so I shoved it int a corner.

If you want to see the appended log entry for this update take a peek here.


However the WGA and the validator tool logs more than the installs.

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Posted: 30th Jun 2006 10:32
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Thats why you disable windows automatic update...

Its not a conspiracy against you...

See, look at mine:



Nothing outside the ordinary.

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Posted: 30th Jun 2006 10:45 Edited at: 30th Jun 2006 10:47
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OK Eric T, how about this line in the log?



I think that this indicates a variable which could be set to 'Yes'.

Has the philosophy of encouraging updates to slow the transmissions of computer worms and viruses has gone by the wayside?

Of course it's not a conspiracy against me. How silly of you to even mention that. It's a conspiracy to sell Vista.

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I don't understand the problem. Anyone who has a legal copy of Windows shouldn't have to worry about WGA anyways.

While I don't like big brother "phoning home" without my permission, I could care less if WGA deactivates all the pirated copies of XP out there. Good riddance.


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Posted: 30th Jun 2006 11:10 Edited at: 30th Jun 2006 11:11
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Yep, your right, I forgot to disable automatic updates on this PC:



And with a few clicks off a button, if I so wish, it can be gone. Its not that hard, its not that secret, its not a conspiracy.

The fact is, yeah, the wanna sell Vista... I'm not arguing that. But the way you ALWAYS, and I mean ALWAYS (this being directed at heartbone) make everything seem like its a secret government plan to **** your life, is really sad.

How about telling everyone your theory for the flooding in new orleans again? It didn't go over so well llrgt wise, but maybe, just maybe it'll go over well here!

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Posted: 30th Jun 2006 11:22
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Quote: "Anyone who has a legal copy of Windows shouldn't have to worry about WGA anyways"


I have a friend who has a legit copy, the box it came in and the shiny certificate. It still tells him his copy is not genuine

I would speculate that someone else used his Reg Key, probably from a key generator, before he did.


Maybe even rumours about this being imminent will give Linux and other free OS' the boost they need.



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Speaking of linux, hey, there ya go. If you don't agree with the way MS is doing things, its your free will to get rid of windows. Its not forced on you, you are not held at gunpoint. If you don't like the way the people make and run the OS, don't use it.

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We're crying out for the uninformed average user who wouldn't know what to do with their life if they didn't have Microsoft Office.


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Posted: 30th Jun 2006 12:06
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Well typically the uninformed user wouldn't notice whats going on since the uninformed user is typically to dull to pirate a copy, and typically the uninformed user would call MS if it told them they have 30 days till the system goes kaplut and (as I have experience since my legal key came up illegal) MS would say "ok, yeah, we verified that purchase" or something like that and tada a working serial number.

The typical user doesn't care or want to know what WGA is.

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Mass reply post mode switch on now!

heartbone:
Quote: "DRM"

I hope I'm not sounding like an idiot asking this... but what is DRM?

CattleRustler:
Quote: "549 of 666 comments <rolls eyes>"

It would be those/that number wouldn't it...


Richard Davey:
Quote: "I'm running legal copies of Windows."

As am I... I just don't like them snooping around.
Pirate copies of Vista/XP what not will not be stopped by this. ‘May’ slow it down a bit though...

Eric T:
Quote: "Its not a conspiracy against you..."

There's no conspiracy. They tell you they're going to screw you, then they do it. It's a self fulfilling prophecy!

Jeku:
Quote: "Anyone who has a legal copy of Windows shouldn't have to worry about WGA anyways."

It sets a precedent. What if 'every' piece of software you used on your machine required constant updating to 'prove' it was not pirate. And if you failed to continue to update said program would shutdown or lock-down your machine.

Jeku:
Quote: "I could care less if WGA deactivates all the pirated copies of XP out there. Good riddance."

Agreed. (I'm strongly anti-piracy.) I just hope the crusade against piracy isn't used to exploit the privacy of people with legal copies.


Eric T:
Quote: "The fact is, yeah, the wanna sell Vista."

I guess there's nothing wrong with trying to sell your product. I just wish they wouldn't ditch they're old products in the process.

Eric T:
Quote: "theory for the flooding in new orleans again"

Where can I see this theory?
(I'm seriously interested.)

Eric T:
Quote: "llrgt"

Eh? What? (I do not know this abbreviation.)

BatVink:
Quote: "It still tells him his copy is not genuine "

Ack, that bites.

Eric T:
Quote: "Its not forced on you, you are not held at gunpoint."

No, not exactly forced... but if I want my product to be used by the masses, who mostly run MS, then what choice do I have?
(Can DBC/DBP programs run off other platforms?)

And now my own comment:
Well, IMO it kind of sucks because ‘A’ downloading the updates a pain and ‘B’ it feels a bit like an invasion of privacy. Still, I've had people brag to me that they're pirating they're OS. And that is a problem.

Could be worse. MS could be requiring a retina scan, blood & urine sample + finger print scan every boot.

Just a thought...

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Posted: 30th Jun 2006 12:44
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Quote: "I have a friend who has a legit copy, the box it came in and the shiny certificate. It still tells him his copy is not genuine

I would speculate that someone else used his Reg Key, probably from a key generator, before he did."


Email/call Microsoft and they will make it good I'm sure.

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Posted: 30th Jun 2006 13:26
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Quote: "Where can I see this theory?
(I'm seriously interested.)"


Well, i'm not gonna outright say where you can see it, but if you look below these words you have a chance of finding it. And if you still can't find it, you can always email me and i'll tell you where you can find it.

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There is an interesting article on The Register today about false postives with WGA;

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/06/30/microsoft_wga_snafu/

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Quote: "I have a friend who has a legit copy, the box it came in and the shiny certificate. It still tells him his copy is not genuine "


yep, I know someone this happened to as well - its a counterfeit version like they sell cheap on the net. beware. MS usually will make these right for you without a hassle since you got ripped thinking you were buying a legal and valid copy. Other people who blantantly, and knowingly, use pirated software... you get what you pay for.

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Quote: "Quote: "I have a friend who has a legit copy, the box it came in and the shiny certificate. It still tells him his copy is not genuine "

yep, I know someone this happened to as well - its a counterfeit version like they sell cheap on the net. beware. MS usually will make these right for you without a hassle since you got ripped thinking you were buying a legal and valid copy."


That's happened here really annoying

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Quote: "It sets a precedent. What if 'every' piece of software you used on your machine required constant updating to 'prove' it was not pirate. And if you failed to continue to update said program would shutdown or lock-down your machine."


Then you have the legal right to not purchase said software, and go with the other alternatives. Like indi said there's OS X, or the hundreds of Linux distros.

If one day MS decides to go this route with Office, you can always switch to the free (and awesome) OO.

And besides, when I pay $300 for an OS, I *appreciate* the company doing its best to stamp out the jerks who didn't pay a dime for it. I mean, there has to be some consolement on my part for shelling out the dough.


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Quote: "And besides, when I pay $300 for an OS"


$300?? I know the exchange rate is a bit nuts at the moment, but I wouldn't pay even close to that. I bought a copy of XP Pro SP2 directly from Microsoft (no OEM pack) and it was £85 (about $150).

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Quote: "Other people who blantantly, and knowingly, use pirated software... you get what you pay for."


Wich really is, nothing.

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Quote: "$300?? I know the exchange rate is a bit nuts at the moment, but I wouldn't pay even close to that. I bought a copy of XP Pro SP2 directly from Microsoft (no OEM pack) and it was £85 (about $150)."


Well, I purchased XP (not the upgrade) when it was first released in 2001 (or 2002), and I remember it being close to $300. Of course, our dollar was *very* bad back then, so maybe it just felt like $300


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Correct me if I'm wrong... But doesn't one of the versions of XP not need to be registered at all?

Which would thus mean that none of this WGA stuff applies, and as such, those illegal copies will just stay... illegal?

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Yeah, after reading the article Spooky posted, that's what I'm talking about
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someones going to write a fake connect and give ok localhost.checkback loop.

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O.T.

Wandering Swordsman,
DRM = Digital Rights Management. Fancy words for copy protection.
LLRGT = Long Live Real Game Tools
a defunct geek web site that paid homage to the defunct RGT website. RGT was the organization (Guy Savoie) responsible for bringing DBPro to the USA.

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Heartbone, do you still live in Ann Arbor by chance?

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I'm in Atlanta for now.

Check this out...
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Sweet.

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My log has nothing in it past installation.

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I am suprised they haven't said that all this WGA business is a way to combat terrorism. That seems to be the current excuse for everything.

"Yes we are invading your privacy and listening in to peoples private phone calls, but its for your safety and to stop terrorism"
"Yes we will try and make everyone buy and carry national ID cards in a 'big brother' policy, and if you don't like it then you must be a terrorist"
"Yes we are putting truth drugs into all red M+Ms, but its to stop terrorism"

(Now THATS a conspiracy theory )
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