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Jeku
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Posted: 11th Jul 2006 22:52
Quote: "Be my guest and ruin your life. I'll see you in the streets."


Whoa whoa whoa! Calm down, boy.

There is a difference between drinking responsibly and drinking by yourself and getting drunk.

It's perfectly fine to have some drinks if you're an adult and understand rational thinking. Just because you drink doesn't mean you're going to become a bum and live on the streets. That is just a huge generalization, and clearly shows how sheltered your life must have been.


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Posted: 12th Jul 2006 00:51 Edited at: 12th Jul 2006 00:55
Hmm, it seems I can't win. Well, ok you win! Am I making large generalizations? Maybe. Go ahead. Live your lives as you see fit, and I'll do the same.

Quote: "@Uncle Sam: ditto "


Quote: "agreed Uncle Sam. Drinking is stupid if your trying to get drunk."


I'm proud of you boys. lol You're part of the small group with sense on this forum....

Quote: "Why arn't you ranting about our country's obesity and sugar problem aswell? You're clearly part of some Mothers Against Drinking group already. "


You're right, I should of told you to watch your diet. Clearly I say, you had problems when you were raised up (or are you still being raised up? wouldn't be surprised...) Why can't you just grow up and learn to discss a topic without thowing insults. It shows you can't support your beliefs, so you have to find another method to win at. Just drop this little "kitty-cat" fad. Don't worry, fads pass.

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Jeku
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Posted: 12th Jul 2006 02:52
Quote: "Quote: "agreed Uncle Sam. Drinking is stupid if your trying to get drunk."

I'm proud of you boys. lol You're part of the small group with sense on this forum...."


Just have to point out something--- you're contradicting yourself. You're acting as if it's evil to drink a thimble of beer, and then you're agreeing that it's stupid *if* you're trying to get drunk. Well what is it?


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Posted: 12th Jul 2006 03:42
You'll definatley have need of this "Adult Slushie" recipe I found.

Quote: "I just used 1 1/2 cups vodka for this recipe, and i used the pink grapefruit pop. It kept in my freezer for a very long time.

Adult Slushies

Ingredients

3/4 cup vodka
3/4 cup brandy
1 (6 ounce) can frozen orange juice concentrate
1 (12 fluid ounce) can frozen lemonade concentrate
2 (10 ounce) jars maraschino cherries
1 litre grapefruit flavored soda
2 litres lemon-lime flavored carbonated beverage


Directions

1 Mix vodka, brandy, orange and lemon juice concentrate, cherries and grapefruit soda together in a large plastic mixing bowl. Cover the mixture with a tight fitting lid. Freeze the mixture for one or two days.
2 When you are ready to serve the drink, use an ice cream scoop and place one or two scoops of the mixture into glasses. Fill the rest of the glass with lemon/lime flavored soda pop. Stir and serve.
"


they're quite good. And I've been drinking scince i was about 6. My dad left a glass of whiskey on the table, and i drank it. this was about 8:30 in the morning. so I wandered to school drunk. Mom threw a fit.

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Posted: 12th Jul 2006 03:48
I side with Uncle Sam on this one, I don't agree with drinking.

I seriously don't understand the point. Barring you like the flavor or whatever, why is it any better or more fun to drink beer than pop. What makes something with alcohol content so awesome and so much better than any other beverage.

All it does is make you a blathering idiot when you drink too much, and you put others in danger. Alcohol related deaths are far too high, and if you'd like to live a bit longer, lay off the alcohol as alcohol just does wonders for your liver. I think I'll take the few extra years of healthly life, and not worry about making myself look foolish and endangering myself and those around me when I'm drunk.

People always say drink responsibly, well that would include not getting drunk, as thats not very responsible. So if you are gonna defend yourself and claim its not bad if you show some responsibility, then I don't want to hear of your being drunk. Otherwise it seems hypocritical don't you think?

But like Uncle Sam says, we can't win, nowadays we are in a minority. So you won't see me back at this thread, I just wanted to throw my 2 cents in and show some support for Uncle Sam.


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Posted: 12th Jul 2006 04:12
I don't know why everyone's attacking Uncle Sam. The fact is that alcohol is toxic in more ways than one. If you go too far, you can pass out and asphyxiate on your own vomit. Nice.

I drink beer because it tastes nice. Same with whiskey. I won't touch wine with a barge pole though. I've never been seriously drunk, and I never let myself reach a stage where I'm out of control. As far as I'm concerned, if I can still pronounce stuff like gluconeogenesis, I'm probably ok

Seriously though, alcohol does not equal life. Those who only have friends when they have alcohol have a very poor social life, and coming from me, that's really harsh. I'm not saying it's not fun though. Actually, it's pretty damn hilarious when you're only drunk occaisionally.

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Posted: 12th Jul 2006 04:21
Quote: "Quite funny how this guy is raging on beer, when candy is a much bigger leading health problem with youth in the US. "


And I always thought it was the pestacides and the poisonous substances that are in the food we eat....

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Posted: 12th Jul 2006 04:55
Im with megaton cat on this one. You can't bash on something until you tryed it.

IE smoking i smoke for about a whole month, but the after taste was worse then beer =\ thats why i drink tiquila or vodka (mixed)

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Posted: 12th Jul 2006 05:32 Edited at: 12th Jul 2006 05:32
Quote: "Clearly I say, you had problems when you were raised up (or are you still being raised up? wouldn't be surprised...) Why can't you just grow up and learn to discss a topic without thowing insults. It shows you can't support your beliefs, so you have to find another method to win at. Just drop this little "kitty-cat" fad. Don't worry, fads pass. "


Ah yes, nothin' like a defeated soul slapping out advice and not following it himself.


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Posted: 12th Jul 2006 06:08
Quote: "Ah, and there's the punch line. Exactly. You're just blindly defending something that has been drilled into you by parents, teachers, and commercials for many years rather then learn about it yourself."


This kind of stuff bugs me, because the only reason your for drinking is because you've been taught not to. It's like when people like something when it's not popular, and then claim they hate it once it becomes very popular. Alcohol companies must love those "don't drink" commercials because it means that those kinds of "think for yourself" people will drink it all the more.

It's not difficult to see the effects of alcohol around my area, it has been the cause of extreme violence around my neighborhood, school, etc. It also took one of my relatives in a car accident. Sure, not everybody who drinks is going to cause a whole lot of problems, but it's certainly a major cause.

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Posted: 12th Jul 2006 06:14 Edited at: 12th Jul 2006 06:16
Quote: "Ah yes, nothin' like a defeated soul slapping out advice and not following it himself."


Hmm, you must be immature if you somehow extracted an insult from my post. Harsh? Yes. Insulting? Maybe a little, but nothing to cry over.

Quote: "Just have to point out something--- you're contradicting yourself. You're acting as if it's evil to drink a thimble of beer, and then you're agreeing that it's stupid *if* you're trying to get drunk. Well what is it?"


I didn't say it's evil, I said it's just plain stupid! (no insult intended ), and it is plain stupid to try to get drunk. It's both. I see so contradiction. Like Agent Dink said (and I thank you pal for supporting my point of view ), it kills the liver! And like he also said I don't understand what it is that makes you want to drink. My dad once was accidently given some alchoholic drink (he doesn't drink by the way ), and he spit it out as soon as it entered his mouth. It must taste vile.

Quote: "The fact is that alcohol is toxic in more ways than one. If you go too far, you can pass out and asphyxiate on your own vomit. Nice."


Ugh.

Quote: "Im with megaton cat on this one. You can't bash on something until you tryed it."


You think I'm going to try it? This is one of those things you just can't "test" to see if it's ok. I know someone is going to say this is a generalization, but do you "test" jumping off of a cliff to see if you will die?

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Posted: 12th Jul 2006 06:56
Quote: "Barring you like the flavor or whatever, why is it any better or more fun to drink beer than pop."


Well for myself I like the taste of a good brown beer. People ask why I drink so much coffee, and it's because I like the taste as well, and not for the caffeine. I don't like pop as it's too sweet, but I also drink lots of water.

Seriously, you naysayers sounds like nagging mothers. If that's your goal, then congrats. Otherwise leave the drinkers as they are, and we'll leave you as you are.

Quote: "You think I'm going to try it? This is one of those things you just can't "test" to see if it's ok. I know someone is going to say this is a generalization, but do you "test" jumping off of a cliff to see if you will die?"


Okay, that is not parallel whatsoever. Jumping off a cliff has a high chance of getting killed. Drinking a beer or two occasionally does not offer ANY chance of getting killed (unless you're deathly allergic to yeast or whatever). Come on, be sensible. That's like telling someone he'll die of lung cancer from a single cigarette. You just can't compare casual drinking (not getting drunk) to jumping off cliffs.

Don't programmers use logic anymore

At work we have beer and junk food every Friday, and I SkyTrain home after drinking two beers. I am not drunk, or tipsy, and I have a good time in a social environment with other coworkers. Can you guys honestly tell me that what I'm doing is wrong? It's my own body for one thing, and I'm not inflicting anyone else with dangers. I'm not getting drunk and abusing my liver.

You hurt your arteries every time you eat trans fat--- you hurt your immune system every time you pop advil or tylenol. Our bodies are built for us to use them.


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Posted: 12th Jul 2006 07:02
ok if alchohol was so bad why on earth would Jesus himself turn a whole freakin pitcher of water into wine, which is 18-25 percent alchohol, where as beer is 5-8 on average.

drinking is not bad if you dont be an idiot and overdrink. Its nice to have a cold beer at the end of a long days work to relax yourself and make you not snap at people because your tired.

I don't see how people think all drinking is bad. If your catholic its part of your daily even weekly routine sometimes.

hehe. my 3 and a half cents.

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Posted: 12th Jul 2006 07:21 Edited at: 12th Jul 2006 07:22
Quote: "Okay, that is not parallel whatsoever. Jumping off a cliff has a high chance of getting killed. Drinking a beer or two occasionally does not offer ANY chance of getting killed (unless you're deathly allergic to yeast or whatever). Come on, be sensible. That's like telling someone he'll die of lung cancer from a single cigarette. You just can't compare casual drinking (not getting drunk) to jumping off cliffs."


He wasn't comparing alcohol to jumping off a cliff, he was stating the flaws in the statement "you can't bash something until you've tried it."

Quote: "ok if alchohol was so bad why on earth would Jesus himself turn a whole freakin pitcher of water into wine, which is 18-25 percent alchohol, where as beer is 5-8 on average."


It was a wedding, and fermenting water was the safest way to drink it back then.

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Posted: 12th Jul 2006 07:30
im aware of that. but he coulda chosen kool aid ya know?

just tryin to say that its got a history of elegance to it. not bad, but quite good for you in moderation.

a glass of red wine a day is very good for your heart Ive heard.

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Posted: 12th Jul 2006 07:56
I've heard the same for chocolate.

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Posted: 12th Jul 2006 07:58 Edited at: 12th Jul 2006 08:00
It's been scientifically proven that a glass of red wine a day will reduce the chance of lung cancer and help maintain a healthy heart. Of course, too much and it'll cause more problems, but the point here is that drinking in moderation is perfectly fine.


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Posted: 12th Jul 2006 08:18
Quote: "moderation"


tell that to my friend Hank! one night at about 3:30 am, he came stumbeling onto my doorstep, singing a drinking song, and puked on my mat.

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Posted: 12th Jul 2006 10:28
Quote: "getting shizzle faced every weekend is bad news"
Not anymore. Since we saw the light and followed every other civilised nation and have later opening hours its a lot better. Plus banning smoking in a lot of pubs has helped no end.

Quote: "Well, ok you win"
Quote: "You're part of the small group with sense on this forum"
Hmm. Not exactly going with the "you win" comment.

Quote: "do you "test" jumping off of a cliff to see if you will die?"
What the hell are you talking about? Thats like not drinking coke because it's got negative side effects. Or saying you will never drive a car because of all the deaths. And don't get me started about stepping foot on one of those death trap planes. Good god, where the hell do you come from? I'm picturing one of those stereotypical 100 people and a cow towns in the middle of nowhere (you know where the cops can make "outsiders" magically disappear) with like 5 churches etc that we all *know* exist from all those rubbish films. Do you jump off a cliff.... LOL

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Posted: 12th Jul 2006 11:22
My argument at this stage would be:

-Yes, drinking in large quantities is bad for you.
-Yes, if you can only socialise and have fun with the aid of drink, it's a bit sad.
-Yes, there are areas of society where drink is a problem.
-Yes, drink can be linked to violent behaviour and social disturbances.
-Yes, in a minority of people drinking ruins their lives (alcoholics) and sometimes kills them (George Best).

That's all my concessions. Alcohol can be an evil thing. Alcohol can ruin the lives of the weak. Alcohol is not a safe substance and can be badly abused.

But ...

Drugs have been used for thousands of years by people, in all cultures and for different reason. Alcohol is a tried and tested drug that can be easily judged. You know exactly where you are with alcohol at each stage and can control the "hit" precisely.

People who drink alcohol are taking a drug and want an effect. Therefore, if you want that effect, you have to drink. You can't make the argument "why not have pop instead?", cos pop isn't a drug (it's one of the characters from Rice Crispies). It has the effective of giving you a warm glowing buzz but more importantly it suppresses your inhibitions. You can't get that from a mental decision to just drop them. That's incredibly difficult.

Inhibitions are a result of society enforcing standard upon us, e.g. you must not swear, you must keep quiet in public, you must wear clothes, you must not do silly things else people will hate you, you must be polite to all, you must contain your emotions. Inhibitions are also more internal and emotional, especially fear related e.g. you won't talk to that girl for fear of rejection, you won't fight someone for fear of getting beaten up, you won't do X for fear of looking stupid. And the fear once again comes back to society.

Alcohol thins that veil. It provides you with something you simply cannot get unless you have incredible self confidence and mental strength (and probably insanity) - it decreases and decreases your inhibitions. With inhibitions decreased you begin to show your true colours. You get to do the things and act the way you truly want to and say the things you want to say without fear of what people will think. You finally have the balls to chat up the girl who you thought was unreachable ... hey, maybe even 3 or 4 girls. You can dance about in a crowd of strangers knowing full well you look retarded. It's a level of freedom for your mind that you cannot get without the drug.

In the course of showing your true colours though, a lot of alcohol related violence kicks off. This is an unfortunate indication of how many violent twats we have in society - people that are walking around every day fancying themselves as Van Dam, but only have the balls to act upon it when pissed. But this is an inset problem with the person, and not the alcohol itself. I for one have never been in a fight when drunk. I feel more friendly towards people under the influence because those are my true colours.

So when you think a pissed person is acting stupid, or making a fool of themselves, what you're actually saying is "I've been told by society doing X is stupid and that drunk guy is doing X, therefore alcohol has made him stupid". The simple fact is the drunk guy has lost his inhibitions. He doesn't give a f*** what society says is ok. He's doing what he wants to do and is liberated by it.

And that's the whole point and why we have a cuture of drinking (especially in the UK). It's not just a drug that makes you dizzy or something pointless like that. In decent quantities it's a drug that frees you from the chains of what society deems "socially acceptable" and allows you to be yourself and have fun. And thats why when everyone around you is doing the same you can have some truly awesome nights. Everyone gets to finally be themselves and ignore what is considered cool, or stupid or embaressing and just have fun. You simply can't get that through choice anymore. With the power of brainwashing society and the media has on all of us, the only way to drop those chains is at the pub.

In fact, some could argue, the pub is the place of self descovery and true freedom.


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Posted: 12th Jul 2006 11:30 Edited at: 12th Jul 2006 11:31
Like wow man. And yes, I agree with just about all of that. The socially unacceptable bit though I dunno. I mean for the *vast* majority of the population having a nice pint outside the pub in the sunshine is amazingly socially acceptable. Kids in hoodies dribbling and puking next to the pub are not. Just imagine what they will be like when they start drinking?

Since I live next to Legoland I'll probably see you at that little pub up the road (on the corner) one of these nice summery nights.

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Posted: 12th Jul 2006 12:01
Quote: "He wasn't comparing alcohol to jumping off a cliff, he was stating the flaws in the statement "you can't bash something until you've tried it.""


Which he failed to do logically in any way, shape, or form.

I could compare this argument to the belief that listening to simple minded music as opposed to classical music can lower your mental and your attention span, along with appreciation for real music. However, listening to simple minded music is just more enjoyable, and generally the people who do not listen to simple music do not listen to it merely because they don't want to seem simple minded. People who do not drink alcohol without ever trying it and then flame it interestedly because of what they've been told have no real base in the debate at all. If you've tried it, or know someone personally who's tried it and has recieved the effects you talk about, then debate is up for grabs. Otherwise its more like a stream of information with bias that really has no place.


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Posted: 12th Jul 2006 12:25 Edited at: 12th Jul 2006 12:26
@Dazzag

I'd love to partake, but have you seen how many bricks make one of those models? It's a full time job. No rest for the wicked.

Edit: Oh, as for socially acceptable. Yeah, drinking is definitely socially acceptable. It's just what you do when you're drunk that isn't. Damn, imagine how screwed we'd be if drinking was socially uncool in the first place?

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Posted: 12th Jul 2006 15:59 Edited at: 12th Jul 2006 15:59
Quote: "Hmm, you must be immature if you somehow extracted an insult from my post. Harsh? Yes. Insulting? Maybe a little, but nothing to cry over."


Oh wow, that's a good one. So calling someone "naive" is an insult now, while insulting the upbringing and personal interests of another isn't?

Seriously dude, grow up, stop sobbing, and gain some confidence. I was just trying to help you be more open minded and less stereoptical/biased.


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Posted: 12th Jul 2006 16:08 Edited at: 12th Jul 2006 16:09
Ok, this thread seems to have run it's course. I'm locking it before it gets any worse. Everything that can be said, has been said, so there's really no point in continuing the conversation.


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