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Geek Culture / Need your help on deciding whethre to get a DS lite or a PSP

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Darth Vader
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Posted: 9th Jul 2006 15:04 Edited at: 9th Jul 2006 15:06
I am really new to modern console gaming machines, the only console machines I have used have been the Atari, Sega master system, SNES and a Gameboy Pocket. But now I want to get a new pocket gaming device so really their is only two choices, PSP or the DS lite.

After looking at both this is what I came up with

PSP = I have a pocket PC so movies, pictures and music isn't really a big thing beside I might get an iPod which is better. I have heard that the game range is small and not really much good gameplay. But then again It has great graphics.

DS lite = It is cheaper then the PSP, I am used to the touchscreen, I love Nintendo (Always Have), Huge game range (Including backward capabilitie with GBA) around 250, Wi-Fi USB connecter for PC which I need to play over internet. No internet browsing (But the again I have heard that the USB Wi-Fi is compatable with none DS devices (I have a Pocket PC with Wi-Fi that has internet explorer)). I really wnat a system for games. Looks okay in fact quite nice. Games graphics are a bit on the low side. Not many hacks like the PSP (I will remove this if it is against the rules! Just don't lock the thread please!).

I really don't know I mean like I said I just want it for games, I like Strategy, RPG, Racing and FPS but the DS doesn't look as if it has many 3D games does it?

The PSP has many games I am familiar with, nice 3D but not many games and no strategy.
So what do you think I should get the PSP or the DS lite?
Thanks!


[EDIT] Forgot to ask will the rate of games creation slow down for the DS lite when the Wii comes out?[EDIT]

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Posted: 9th Jul 2006 16:23 Edited at: 13th Jul 2006 11:20
Psp I've got one it's such a nice device.

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Posted: 9th Jul 2006 16:31
I got a DS, the games are allright I suppose... But you can browse the internet thanks to opera browser

http://www.opera.com/pressreleases/en/2006/02/15/index.dml

I dont know how to actually get it but... maybe its still in development.

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Posted: 9th Jul 2006 16:45
Had the same choice a couple of months ago, and really I don't regret getting the DS instead of the PSP.

The thing is, PSP is obviously a lot more powerful, much better graphics, and smoother too. So it's really a lot like a cut down PS2, which is fine, if your homeless and have nowhere to plug in a console.

Handheld gaming is very different, even though I've never used the DS outside the house, it's there for that bored hour or so at a time, I tend not to play it for more than an hour or so. Games like Animal Crossing take advantage of this style of gameplay, like you'd spend 30-35 minutes each day playing AC unless you were saving for something - but the idea is it's in realtime, so the world doesn't stop just because your DS is off. I like how you just close the lid of the DS then pick it up and start playing again, it's that sort of console.

There are nice graphics to be found, like Metroid, but really your looking at a little less than PSX graphics. Res Evil on the DS is fairly close to the PSX, but - your using screens that are so small, you really wouldn't want fiddly detail, it's not about GFX with the DS. Mario 64 again is a lot like the N64 version.

I'm sceptical, as a default - so I never thought I'd agree with the touch screen FPS games, but really there's no more accurate way forward for mobile gaming like this - it's better than a control pad once you get used to it.

Plus there's game prices too, you can get pre-owned games for the DS for £10-£15, Goldeneye for example was only £10, worth it for the touch screen sniping action alone .

If gameplay is what matters, get a DS, if you'd rather have the graphics and the more western titles like GTA, then grab a PSP - but if you have a home console consider if you'd rather play those games on a big screen.

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Posted: 9th Jul 2006 18:26
The DS and PDA combination is unbeatable.

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Posted: 9th Jul 2006 22:26
Depends on what you want to do.

If you wanna catch up on TV series/movies, commute alot daily, want to store other stuff, then definatly get a PSP.

If you're a Nintendo fanatic, "too old skool for the rest", just want to play games, have a special bond with mario, like games with pretty colours, get a DS.

I own a DS, and want to get a PSP soon too.


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Posted: 9th Jul 2006 22:51
I recommend getting a ds lite because its alot cheaper and has more games than the psp.

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Posted: 9th Jul 2006 23:24 Edited at: 9th Jul 2006 23:34
I personally own a PSP, but I'll admit, I believe that the quality of the games for the DS may prove more formiddable than PSP games. The problem here is that Nintendo tend to focus on more gameplay aspects of games that we have all come to know and love. Bar Kart racing which I'd rather take a sharp piece of glass to my... well anyway moving on. PSP games are graphically stunning but also rare in playability. My two fav games for the PSP would be GTA Liberty Stories, and Mercury.

You really have to ask yourself as well, whether you plan to just play games, or you actually wish to get involved in development as well. The DS and PSP are both nice devices in their own unique ways, but they both force standards and convention according to each company's long term strategy. PSP is becomming a more open market for home developers by allowing homebrew (home made applications and games) to run on the PSP, but Sony do not like this one bit!! No idea why since at the end of the day, it would promote the PSP to greater heights. For DS development, I do not know enough about this area to comment. You will also have other devices which actually encourage home development, like the GP2X etc. So, I won't force a decision for you, it's entirely up to you what you go for. But do try to look at the long term in what you want out of a handheld. Playing top quality games at the cutting edge of visual and audio superiority, or to also develope for the handheld as well.

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Posted: 10th Jul 2006 00:35
I don't own a PSP, so I can't comment about it.

The DS, however - homebrew exists (I think Indi(??) has dabbled) and is getting increasingly sophisticated. They're bringing out the Opera browser for it too, which is nice. I like my DS - the games are generally quite good, and there's a lot of them. Things like Phoenix Wright (a Lawyer-em-up!), Trauma Center (a Surgeon-em-up!!) and the upcoming food preparation game are all examples of innovation in gameplay on the DS.
If you're looking longer distance, there's talk of having the DS 'talk' to the Wii console when it arrives, but what that involves I don't know.

I like my DS, but I can't say for certain about the PSP - just what I've heard from others.

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Posted: 10th Jul 2006 01:15
Sony removed all support for homebrew games and applications so they don't work with the psp at all if you update the firmware. Some games require the firmware update so basically they screw ya over.
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Posted: 10th Jul 2006 04:31
Quote: "(I think Indi(??) has dabbled)"


I think it was JessT

I've used both DS and PSP, and I found that I played the DS probably five times as much as the PSP because to me it seemed like a more addicting and fun system to play on. However, that could be because I've owned a PS2 since when they came out, and they're essentially the same system, just in a small portable package with the PSP. But in that case, it would just be better to get a PS2.


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Posted: 10th Jul 2006 04:40
Get a GP2X!
99.9% of the software for it is homebrew, therefore free. This also means you can make your own games for it if you can code in C/C++. A playstation emulator is under development for it and already plays some games at a bareable frame-rate. I'm working on a GBA emulator for it. GameBoy and GameBoyColor are emulated perfectly already, and so is the SNES, NES, NeoGeoPocket, Master System, and a few others.

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Posted: 10th Jul 2006 05:19 Edited at: 10th Jul 2006 05:19
Get a DS Lite, has many more good games than the PSP does.

GP2X is okay, except for the fact that it's illegal to emulate nintendo games. No 24-hour rule, no "I already own the game," and no "it's a backup copy."

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I think there is going to be a new thread titled "Get a ds lite or a gp2x?"
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Posted: 10th Jul 2006 06:26
I have just came back from shopping with my Mum, and in one of the stores we visited they had a DS lite on display so I fiddled around with it it was nice it was playing Mario and the graphics weren't to bad, sound was loud size lovely and small! The range of games are large I don't think Nintendo have all of them on their site! The games though is what got me they are different I mean not the sort of games you find on a 'large' console. At the next shop they didn't have any console on display but they did have more DS games and some PSP games. What I found was that most of the PSP games are games you can get on a PC! Like Tom Clany Splinter Cell, Sims 2, Battle front 2, Racing games and like some of you have said it is really a smaller PS2! I don't have a PS2 and I won't be getting one (Nintendo Wii) so really I don't think the PSP applies to me, I mean I have Battle front 2 on PC so If I spend $399.00 for the device and another $50.00+ for the game, waht is the point I mean PC has better graphics and more feaures. I know its portable but 2 hours battery isn't really that good.

Now the DS lite

I liked it! Alot! In fact I might end up buying it, but I wanted to know how long do you think it will last? How long before something better comes out? Is it stupid to wait? Is the DS lite more of a Childs toy and the PSP more of the Adult toy? Will I be mocked for buying a DS lite rather then a PSP?
Thanks for all the help, I will probably go and get the DS lite now!

But if you can answer my last question please do so!


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@darth vader
Quote: "how long do you think it will last?"


I think it will last a while considering it came out in like the last year

Quote: "How long before something better comes out? Is it stupid to wait?"


no idea

Quote: "Is the DS lite more of a Childs toy and the PSP more of the Adult toy?"


I think that it depends on what games you get but no i don't think that about the two systems at all.

Quote: "Will I be mocked for buying a DS lite rather then a PSP?"


I won't mock you if that helps

I don't actually own either systems but have played both and i liked the ds more than the psp. but then i'm a nintendo fan so that doesn't hold much ground. Well i hope you make the right decision on your shopping.
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Quote: "except for the fact that it's illegal to emulate nintendo games. No 24-hour rule, no "I already own the game," and no "it's a backup copy.""

eh? Where did you get that?

If forced to pick either a DS or a PSP, Id go with the DS. Mostly out of Sony hatred though. The fact that it folds to protect the screen is a plus, and apparently Nintendo doesn't hate homebrew like Sony does. Then again, as a programmer, I spend more time coding for whatever devices I buy than actually playing with them.

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Quote: "eh? Where did you get that?"


So glad you asked .

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Posted: 10th Jul 2006 09:44
Quote: "If you wanna catch up on TV series/movies, commute alot daily, want to store other stuff, then definatly get a PSP."


He did want to do all that, probably why he already has a pocket PC.

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Posted: 10th Jul 2006 11:23
Correct Van - B


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Posted: 10th Jul 2006 13:15
Thanks everyone for all the help I just wanted to let you know that I will be getting a Nintendo DS lite I'm just a little nervous because I haven't bought something like this for a while! I mean when I bought my Pocket Gameboy I got it becaue my brother got a color! So I really just followed, But I did know that it was similar. This is new!

So I should have it within the month! (Just going to find a good deal!)
One more question, Does it have many 3rd Person games?


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Posted: 10th Jul 2006 15:59
Quote: "He did want to do all that, probably why he already has a pocket PC."


Well one more addition - and to play cool PSP games from time to time.


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Posted: 10th Jul 2006 18:12
Quote: "Nintendo doesn't hate homebrew like Sony does."


Actually, they have quite a problem with it. There have been many firmware versions out, although only one did anything bad to homebrew.

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Posted: 10th Jul 2006 18:29
Good choice on the DS - It's a beauty of a console

Homebrew for the DS more than certainly exists - I've made a couple games for mine already.
Homebrew for the PSP also exists... Infact, the Homebrew devkits that are available are both part of the same package - devkitpro

The DS has Internet abilities via the Opera browser, which will be released as a game cart.

There are over 400 games for the DS (each game has a unique game-code, but some games, like Metroid and Mario 64 double up, so take the 400 as a guesstimate), not including all the really fun ones available via the homebrew scene.

If you want to get into deving for the DS, the hardware that you get will mean you can also dev for the GBA (both systems use an ARM7, and the DS has an extra ARM9 as its main processor).

I like to play games on my consoles, and as such, I bought a DS.
When I got into Homebrew for it, I realized I could then use it for other things to, by using free homebrew applications available for free, and I already had the hardware to use them.

The graphics capability, and processing capability has nothing on the PSP, but remember the good old days when we only had a few hundred K of RAM? And the games then... The funnest ever! Who says you need DOOM3? (I sure don't!).

Another dodgy thing about the lite... The old GBA cartirdges stick out about half way from the bottom since they made the slot smaller.
Made quite a lot of people p!ssed off...
Personally, I have one of the original versions, so I don't have that problem - But, if you're buying homebrew hardware for the DS, keep it in mind that it will stick out!

Anyhoo... I'm very, very glad with my DS purchase, and am happy that I also got into Homebrew for it also

Good luck with yours in the future!

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Yeah, there's a few DS ideas boiling over in my head, probably mentioned before but I'd love, LOVE, a traditional sprite editor.

Imagine being able to doodle mad pixel art on the train ride home, or if it let you export to your PC via wifi you could use it to design icons and stuff for your PC game dev.

I always intended on getting one of those GP2 thingies, but really the resources for home brew on handhelds is so much stronger now that the GP2's advantages are diluted. It would be nice if there was support from Nintendo, maybe making compilations of smaller games and paying commission - that really would break open the indi market for standard gamers. Why should we pay £30 for Bejeweled when someone could knock it up for free.

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Posted: 11th Jul 2006 17:33
Van, WiFi's been cracked - So it's certainly possible to send data back and forth to the PC, but I'd hazard a guess that to send data TO the PC, you'll need one of those USB stick thingo's.
Having said that, however, it's quite possible already for the DS to download play games from an ordinary Wireless Network card, and for it to do that, it has to send confirmation packets back to the PC...

Look into it... NDSTech Wiki - Wireless



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minted didnt know you could do stuff like that to handhelds... I thought It would only be the likes of ps2 because its disks are exactly thae same as PC disks... so i suppose you can use mini-disks for psp? (not that I have a psp, my little brothers got a ds and im saving for a ps3 MGS4

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"Minted"? That's not something I've heard in a while. Got to go home to Scotland at some point - I'm forgetting the patter :/

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Posted: 12th Jul 2006 07:59
I have read tons on the DS lite and I am convinced it will be really good! In fact I am heading out right now to place one on Lay-By (Don't have the money for upfront! DARN!). I am also placing the Pirates of the Caribbean game on lay-by, but does anyone think I should get a different game?
Ohh and BTW Thanks everyone for all the help! Twi days ago I was ripping my hair oyt trying to decide which console to get, but now I am loving the look of the DSlite. Who cares about better graphics, cause thats all the PSP has over this device. I can get emulators, homebrew games, it can play music, videos and picture viewing, so really I think it is the best. PLUS I also love Nintendo and was going to really regret supporting Sony if I had chosen the PSP!
Thank You TGC community again!


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Posted: 12th Jul 2006 09:33
Pirates of the Caribbean game?
As a general rule of thumb... I stay away from games that come out of movies. They tend to be short, waaaaay too linear, and sub-par compared to games you can get for cheaper which provide much better game-play

If you're getting a DS game, I'd suggest Mario 64 DS, Mario Kart DS, Metroid (Not my favourite genre), or Brain Age if it's available where you are.

Games to stear clear of buying full-price are Polarium and Meteos. They're damned fun when you first play 'em, but after a while, it's the same over, and over and over and over and... you get the idea. Pick 'em up second-hand if you can, you'll be happier that way

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Posted: 12th Jul 2006 11:33
Well I have got it on Lay-by and I should be picking it up towards the end of the month! Darn I didn't see your post Jess until I got back so I got Pirates! Oh well it won't be to bad! I also got the the 15 in 1 accesory pack which is quite good!

All in all it only came up to AUS $301.00 (This includes GST and lay-by fees)! I was astonished at the price, I mean the PSP value packs costs AUS $399.00!


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Well, damn... I lost a long post I made

Basically:
I've put out about AU$550 for mine all up (2 games + Homebrew hardware + console itself).

You can (100% legally) download WiFi Multiboot Demo's like those that are available at E3 and other shows, then send them (100% legally) to your DS via WiFiMe.

If the Pirates game is anything like the movie, it'll ROCK, I bet

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Games based on movies, well avoid them, avoid that Kong game too, no matter how decent it looks .

You should keep em peeled for a couple of bargains so you can have a few games at the end of the month, for exaple Ridge Racer is about the best racing game I've played on it - it's pure RR gameplay, and the single card multiplayer is much appreciated. The DS is not ideal for driving games, but RR is very easy to get into, that drift style driving suits me a lot more than the action in NFS2 DS - avoid NFS.

The game I've played most recently though has to be Bubble Bobble Reveolution - the new version kinda sucks - but the implimentation of the original on the DS is just perfect, it could not be closer to the arcade original. Gonna pickup Rainbow Islands next time I see it - for the original of course . Might sound daft, but I'd much rather play those games than anything new. If you check reviews of BB rev, it'll be like 3 or 4 out of 10 - just because of the dissapointing new version - so if you find a bargain that you think you'd like, go for it - internet reviews tend to by by short sighted GFX hungry smackturds who get bent out of shape at the slightest thing. Bubble Bobble on the DS is worth £20 to me, so I paid it, it's probably the most I've ever paid for BB (I've completed it on most platforms, there's no way I could miss the DS version).

There are some turkeys, not too many but a couple - but it tends to be silly things that ruin it - like the lack of multiplayer in Tiger Woods - Why they excluded a multiplayer single DS mode I've no idea. Despite that, the DS version is the only platform I've properly played tiger woods on, golf on a control pad is just wrong, golf with a little stick that you have to sweep around like a club, well that's just fine with me.

One game I'm looking forward to playing is Res Evil, I haven't played much of it because my brother nabbed it and completed the easy game (which always puts me off) - the harder storyline has zombi slashing action now, looks like a lot of fun so I'll probably play through that next.

That's the thing, don't get dragged into gimmicky games, and don't think for a second that £10 bargain with a bad review won't entertain you.

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Speaking of re-makes... I had a bash of Space Invaders DS, and surprisingly it's quite varied!

Here I was thinking that it'd just be stock-standard space invaders with some powerups or something... But, nope - Unique levels, varying difficulties and some fun game-play.

I don't think I'd actually buy it, but for the couple hours or so I played it for, it was fun.

Also, that turn-based game... What's it called? Something-something... A remake of a PC game that was apparently big (never heard of it myself). Anyway, it was quite a fun thing to play too. Takes forever to learn how to actually play the thing (tutorial level really sucks for any kind of "tutorial"), but once you do, it's fun
Advanced Wars! That's the one!

Oh, and stear clear of AOE DS - Normally I love RTS games, but this game just sucks

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Ohh Advanced Wars rules .

It's the only turn based RTS I've enjoyed, it's especially surprising considering the 'pokemon' style twerps in it, but the game itself is great. There needs to be a C&C style RTS on the DS, that would be very succesful - heck imagine selecting units and sending them off with the stylus, it'd put a whole fresh spin on the genre, like using the top screen for stats and maps, and the bottom for the game screen.

I've got Zoo Tycoon, and I'd really rather have squirrels store hazelnuts behind my eyeballs than play it 8) - it's like they can't get an RTS right, they need to just look back at the PC classics like C&C, Total Annihilation (the DS could well handle that!), and Starcraft of course.

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Get American St8teland, and definitely New Mario Bros.

Also, Sonic Rush is posibly the best sonic game to date, so I seriously recomend buying it if you're into platformers.

Zelda will be awesome, not to mention FFIII, as well as crystal cronicles.

The only Movie game for the DS which I've heard good things about is over the hedge, but I'm staying away from it anyways.

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I personally say...

Go for something else entirely. I don't like the PSP, becuase it's ruining Nintendo's buisness (I have been supporting them scince the age of NES and Original Game Boy). But as good as Nintendo is, they failed with the DS. It has the most confusing controls I have ever seen, and they did a terrible job redoing Super Mario! They made it a different game! you can play as different characters and stuff. And also, the DS is not compatible with GB or GBC games, meaning no old classics such as "James Bond 007," "Aliens: Thantos Encounter," "GTA" or "GTA2" and so many others.

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Posted: 12th Jul 2006 20:30
Confusing...?
Wow, I never thought I would hear that about a touch screen!


Since the other one was scaring you guys so much...
Zaibatsu
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Posted: 12th Jul 2006 20:33
not the touch screen, the way the buttons are on opposite sides and al that crap.

Read my profile to learn about all my wierd fanaticacies...

NeX the Fairly Fast Ferret
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Posted: 12th Jul 2006 20:34
The buttons on opposite sides? What do you mean?


Since the other one was scaring you guys so much...
flock
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Posted: 12th Jul 2006 20:55
What?

a.k.a. "flockhound"
Josh
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Posted: 12th Jul 2006 21:10
Go with the DS, it has some good and interesting games so far, especially on import from Japan. And in a few months it's going to see some fantastic new games such as Star Fox and Zelda.

Also if you're planning to get a Wii (which you should be ), a DS Lite is a must because of the connectivity functionality, a lot of new ideas could come from using the DS to add more to Wii games.

If you're really interested in the extra features for the DS you can get a web browser, audio and video player, TV receiver, 4 gig hard drive, and more if you really did want to have that expandability.

Darth Vader
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Posted: 13th Jul 2006 13:24
Quote: "And also, the DS is not compatible with GB or GBC games, meaning no old classics such as "James Bond 007," "Aliens: Thantos Encounter," "GTA" or "GTA2" and so many others."

I was looking on the internet the other day and quite easily found an emulator for GB and GBC games as well as NES SNES and others. You do need that accessory that enable you to connect an SD card (or CF) to emulate them but you still can!

Quote: "If you're really interested in the extra features for the DS you can get a web browser, audio and video player, TV receiver, 4 gig hard drive, and more if you really did want to have that expandability."

TV Receiver!? 4 GIG HDD??? I haven't heard of that! Looks as if their are so many unknown accesorries! In fact one of them that drew me closer to buying the DS is the USB WiFi connecter! Which is really cool!


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Van B
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Posted: 13th Jul 2006 13:38
I got a wireless router just for the DS .

It's great with Tony Hawks Sk8land (recommended), as you just tell it you want to play, and it'll find an opponent. Admitedly I own them in less than a minute and they run away, scared, because they fear me. Seriously you need to hustle to get a full game on that, otherwise noobs run off leaving you on your own. The online score tables, varied multiplayer modes, and the way it just lets you play on demand, it's well worth getting. There's a new Tony game coming too, downhill racing this time with stunts, and unless someone put something in my coffee I'm sure I saw a BMX.

Every Tony game on handhelds sucked till Sk8land, now I have to get the downhill game too, it looks a bit like Jet Grind Radio on the Dreamcast but quite low poly models.

Metroid Prime is good on multiplayer as well, but it's the opposite situation, I get completely gubbed everytime.

Aegrescit medendo
s0l1dsnak3123
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Posted: 14th Jul 2006 18:40 Edited at: 14th Jul 2006 18:44
Quote: ""Minted""
Yeh go to http://glasgowsurvival.co.uk if you want to keep up to date. plenty of swearies though

edit:
heres a little snippet:

Quote: "from: Scott I live in the Anderston area of Glasgow. This place is like a ned 'sanctuary'. Back in February I was heading out to a 24 hour shop late at night and was accosted by a shining example of all things 'ned' outside a local kebab house (named McDoner's of all things). "HAW, YOU - GIE'S FAGS!!!" it demanded, drunk and barely coherant as it lurched toward me. I told him I didn't smoke which surprisingly seemed to placate him and he ambled into the safety of the kebab house doorway. Behind me were three students, two girls and one guy with the guy sandwiched between the two girls. I had a feeling that they would be stopped by my f*ckwit friend so stopped to watch the show. The ned leapt out in front of them and shouted "AHHHHHHHHHHH, YOUZ DIDNAE THINK 'A SAW YOUZ F*NNIES COMIN'!!!" before swinging a roundhouse at the bespectacled guy with the girls. Thankfully, due to the cretin's inebriated state he completely missed and instead his head collided full force against the pavement. When I had purchased my goods from the shop I actually had to step over him on the way home as he was completely sparked out. Priceless..."


hilarious...

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