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BluEarth Software
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Posted: 18th Jul 2006 04:11 Edited at: 18th Jul 2006 04:11
What are the forms of binary?(i.e. Universal, Mac, ect.)
and I tried google!

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Posted: 18th Jul 2006 05:01
There are 10 forms of binary.

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Posted: 18th Jul 2006 09:08
ummm, 2? off and on.

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Posted: 18th Jul 2006 09:09
haa ive only heard of the 101001011010 kind and the 1020102001010202 kind... then again i like to code in dark basic not binary XD

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Posted: 18th Jul 2006 09:21
102010101020102202

That's not binary. Not sure what you'd call a 3-bit system like that, but binary is basically just 1's and 0's unless your doing anything clever with them.

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trinary

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Quote: "haa ive only heard of the 101001011010 kind and the 1020102001010202 kind... then again i like to code in dark basic not binary XD"


You can use any number system, like base four would be 230120332023 or something like that, but computers only really need on and off, not on, off, more on, more off, a little bit further off or anything like that.


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Posted: 18th Jul 2006 10:50
Quote: "but computers only really need on and off, not on, off, more on, more off, a little bit further off or anything like that."

That's known as fuzzy logic, and is emulated by computers but can only be done in it's true form with dedicated hardware.


Quote: "There are 10 forms of binary."

I think most people missed that one



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Posted: 18th Jul 2006 14:45
Well, don't know if it can be called a binary form but you have a few way to count.

Standart binary :
0=000
1=001
2=010
3=011
4=100
5=101

gray code (only 1 bit is changing each time) :
0=000
1=001
2=011
3=010
4=110
5=111
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Posted: 18th Jul 2006 15:04 Edited at: 18th Jul 2006 15:06
So how would you calculate the differences between them?

Like:

0=000
1=001
2=011
3=010
4=110
5=111

Is really in binary...

000=0
001=1
011=3
010=2
110=6
111=7

Is there an automatic formulae for converting them?, damn complex otherwise.

I think grey codes are more used when detecting small fluctuations, like with a value change you might only have 1 or 2 bit changes, but with binary a number change can mean a completely different bit map - which may make some systems a lot more flaky.

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Posted: 18th Jul 2006 15:20
Quote: "I think most people missed that one "


I think so too

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Posted: 18th Jul 2006 16:08
Quote: "Quote: "I think most people missed that one "

I think so too"

The overly used joke? I picked up on it =)


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Posted: 18th Jul 2006 17:01
i dont exactly know what you mean by dumb, so ill just post how joke is converted to understand for anyone who is unsure

2 bit joek
2 1
1 0
that would be 2 (2+0=2)

the joek sequence would be as funny or as unfunny as the job needed.


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Posted: 18th Jul 2006 17:23
Isn't he talking about programming binaries?

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Well there's little-endian and big-endian, 4,8,16,32, and 64 bit operations, different sets of opcodes for different processors, etc etc.

Here is my statement explained:

"There are 10 forms of binary" - most people would assume the number "10" is base-ten, which would place the value at ten. It's base-two (binary), which places the value at 2. So the translation is "There are two forms of binary." (And the two forms would be on and off). This is based on the old joke "There are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who understand binary and those who don't."

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Posted: 18th Jul 2006 20:02
Quote: "102010101020102202

That's not binary. Not sure what you'd call a 3-bit system like that, but binary is basically just 1's and 0's unless your doing anything clever with them."


I heard about it somewhere, they also were joking about how it wouldnt be binary per say... hell if i know hahaha

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Posted: 18th Jul 2006 20:02
What are the names of these 10 forms of binary?

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Posted: 18th Jul 2006 20:16 Edited at: 18th Jul 2006 20:16
10 is binary for 2. That's what he meant.

0 and 1

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and they are?


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Posted: 18th Jul 2006 20:35
You are hopeless.

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Posted: 18th Jul 2006 20:35
0 and 1, fool. On and off, that's it. Bi means two. There are two states in binary. More states then it's not binary.


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Posted: 18th Jul 2006 20:54
Quantum computers can apparently have a 3 state binary system : on, off and both on and off at the same time.

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Posted: 18th Jul 2006 20:54
Judging from the two thread that CR locked earlier, I reckon that you're all on the wrong path ... I think he's after the different types of machine code. Not your fault of course, as the question was crap in the first place

Quote: "and I tried google"


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Posted: 18th Jul 2006 21:17 Edited at: 18th Jul 2006 21:23
There are more than one form of binary, this why applications that run on Intel based computers only work on computers with Intel processors. The same applies with Mac. Then there is universal binary. which can run on both types of processors.
This all depends on the processor architecture.
There aren't to forms of binary, as in 1 & 0 this is the actual code.


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Posted: 18th Jul 2006 21:22
Wow. Just, Wow.

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Quote: "... I think he's after the different types of machine code. Not your fault of course, as the question was crap in the first place "

Ahhhhhhh..... The best two types of machine code are :

6502/6510 and ARM

The rest are awful - 6800x0 is okay, but not a patch on ARM.

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Posted: 18th Jul 2006 21:36 Edited at: 18th Jul 2006 21:37
Then what are the different types of machine code? OR do you not know that? When someone is wrong or has a term confused, you have to reason to put them down in ANY WAY! You could kindly say, I think you mean... and then tell them the answer. You are wasting bytes on their server, for a question that you could of answered.

So what are the types of machine code?


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To whom are you refering ?

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Posted: 18th Jul 2006 21:46 Edited at: 18th Jul 2006 21:47
To quote SirfFire, Wow. Just, wow.

Did you not read:

Quote: "But assuming your correct, the best two types of machine code are :

6502/6510 and ARM"


Mr. Phil told you...

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Have you tried Wikipedia - some stuff on there is rather interesting, especially about the Roman Empire - but thats a different story.

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I do use Wikipedia, but I have a hard time getting around it, and getting the information I want. Other than that, Wikipedia is awsome!


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Posted: 18th Jul 2006 21:51 Edited at: 18th Jul 2006 21:52
Each cpu has a different instruction set. To find out the number binary forms, is just matter of finding out the number of CPU's families available. Of which, there are many !

For example here's a few chips that come to mind.

6502, 6510, 6809
Z80
68000,68010,68020,68030,68040,68060 (68881,68882 math co's)
Power PC
Strong Arm

and of course the vast number of x86 descendants (8088,286,386 etc to todays kludge boxes)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_code#Machine_code_instructions

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Quit being jerkholes, guys, this guy just doesn't know how to phrase his question properly. I think he's talking about either architectures or executable formats.

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Thank you ionstream!

Then can you tell me the modern sets, (the newer sets)


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Don't say "binary", say "instruction set". >_<

Well, there are two main groups: RISC and CISC.

In the modern RISC group there are:
ARM (GameboyAdvance/SP/DS, GP2X, other portables)
SuperH (Dreamcast, misc)
MIPS (Playstation, PSP)
and others, like SPARC

in CISC, the most famous is the x86 in your PC.
Then there are the mixed CISC+RISC like the PPC (Mac) and Cell (PS3).

Each processor's instruction sets are different from the others, unless they're from the same family. If you want a list of opcodes for each processor, google for it.

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nah hes just an impatient n00b that wants everyone to do his work for him. Go read the thread in Programming forum, he has an attitude towards people trying to help him. Like I've nothing better to do. Pfft.

good luck.

He was named Computer Geek then:
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Quote: "nah hes just an impatient n00b that wants everyone to do his work for him. Go read the thread in Programming forum, he has an attitude towards people trying to help him. Like I've nothing better to do. Pfft.

good luck.

He was named Computer Geek then:
http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=83730&b=20
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Note: he said that he would help!

Thanks everybody!

Kevin Micol
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Thanks again for the information, for all of you that helped.
Kevin Micol

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why did you change your name?

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probably boredom.

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Quote: "You are wasting bytes on their server, for a question that you could of answered"


*snigger* And you aren't?

Look, just google for things that are multiplatform, such as linux (kernel.org) or gcc (gcc.gnu.org) ... google really is your friend ... if you can be bothered to use it.

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Quote: "It wouldn't be the first time I have been rejected by a group of people or persons"

yet we are the problem? have a second look at the common denominator there.

Believe me, theres nothing in your vb.net code I havent seen, done, thought of, taught, have already forgotten, etc. I get the sense that you think you have the worlds next earth shattering program there, trust me, you don't. You didnt know how to write to a file, trust me, you don't. Having said that, I asked to see your project, not to steal it, but to see what was failing, as you never did post the error, and you kept pasting a Sub that should work. Without seeing your source I couldn't help any further. Had you not been a lazy git you would have created a quick sample project to show me (protecting the rest of the secret source from prying eyes), so I could help - nope, A)They don't pay us for this you know, people help others out of the goodness of their heart B)Never once have you said thanks, C)you have a piss poor attitude, D)You post dumb threads that get locked, E)you restart them as if we all missed something the first time, nope, just as dumb, and now youll piss off the mods.

anyway, get off your ass and do something yourself - oh, and grow up

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BluEarth Software, every time someone points you to a reference source, you say that you can't use it. Google, Wikipedia, VS Help. If you can't reference information, then you won't be a successful computer programmer. People will help you with programming theory, and debugging, but holding your hand step by step is just too much to expect of people.


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I don't expect it from people, I actually never want people to help me, I hate help. I just have a hard time with programming, and I don't have any resources except for the internet, that 3 disk help thing, and my friend who has VisualStudio.net, but he's never home to help. I wish I could afford books, to teach me this stuff, because the help file is too confusing. (I have a BASIC book for the TRS-80, and I know that thing inside out) I didn't understand the File stream thing, and it didn't work, so I searched google, and I kept getting the same code, so I cam here and asked about it, it worked except for one line, (554 in my application) which was the FileCloseiFN and I hit F1, got confused went to bed, and tried it again, I didn't get it, So I ask for more help... I do not entend to give an attitude, it just gets my PO'ed when people give me crap about stuff I don't understand, then they can go and complain about the fact they don't get paid. Neither do I! I understand what the mods go through, and I am glad they are there to protect people from stuff they shouldn't see. Mods should get paid, something ,but you don't. No particular person here is a problem, and were did you come up with that conclusion? Also I do say thanks, when I have gotten all the information that I came to get. Why don't you try looking at other posts, I have said thanks on all of them if my question was answered, if I didn't, that's because I was still having questions about it, or I stopped that project for awhile.

Kevin Micol-I like to be called by my name (First or last)

Yes, I am thankful for the File Save code, but I don't understand why it doesn't work(I just got VB.net in feb. and my computer crashed, So I haven't had much time to use it)

Hey, here's one!:
http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=83562&b=20
And some more:
http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=84254&b=2
http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=50442&b=2


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Quote: "Why don't you try looking at other posts, I have said thanks on all of them if my question was answered, if I didn't, that's because I was still having questions about it, or I stopped that project for awhile."


And that logic, in a nutshell, is why you should stop trying to program.

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In my Java and VB classes, Google was my best friend. I could always find the answer to my problem. If you can't use it, you're going to have a REAL hard time programming. Maybe it's just not for you.


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Posted: 20th Jul 2006 01:35 Edited at: 20th Jul 2006 01:38
now I think...

Private Sub Post_Rcvd(ByVal Sender as Object, e as eventargs)Handles ThisThread.PostReceived
Dim tmpThread as New ForumThread = ctype(sender, ForumThread)

if tmpThread.State=ThreadStates.Stale or tmpThread.State=ThreadStates.OnTopic then

tmpThread.Locked = False

Else

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lol
(you forgot the End Sub)

here's for DB


Thanks, for all the crap, gave me something to laugh at while I was sleeping!

I am not tring to program, I actually could care less for the software of computers all together, I like hardware, and programming is just a hobby.

I just now realized, the sample book about programming in VB.net they gave me, I understand everything that the book covers. (That book made me feel like an idiot, telling me how to save...)

Anyways, I do know how to use google, I just can't ever get lists like that, I have spent hours on google before, and didn't come up with an answer. So I have gotton to a point were I don't see anything remotly close to what I am looking for in the first 2 pages, I give up all together.

Sorry about pissing all you guys off before, but I get screwed through deals and stuff a lot, and when I get in trouble for something I don't think is wrong, I get pissed off, quick.

No lets delete this post, and never let it come to your minds again.

CattleRustler, now would be a good time


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Quote: " lol
(you forgot the End Sub)"


very true!
just when I gave up hope on you, you showed a glimmer of hope.

keep up the good work

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