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Geek Culture / New Tune: Red Zone

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Fallout
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Posted: 24th Jul 2006 02:52
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Finally forced myself to finished off a tune today. I'd been neglecting my tune responsibilities. This one has been in production for a couple of weeks and I gave it the whole of this evening to polish it off. Pretty heavy but wide sort of atmospheric dnb track. Pretty dynamic. See what you think.

Fallout - Red Zone



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Jeku
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Posted: 24th Jul 2006 03:43
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It sounds cool except for the cheesy vocals at the beginning (not the talking, but the splitting vocals).


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Phaelax
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i agree on the vocals. its also too repetitive for my tastes. I dont like skipping whole minutes and not even being able to tell part of the song was skipped. But it does sound cool.

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Oddmind
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Posted: 24th Jul 2006 04:47
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DnB is repetitive hahah.

Sounds nice fallout, as usual .

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Posted: 24th Jul 2006 05:17
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I don't really know anything about music production, or music at all, but to be honest the drums/beat have too much of a "Been there done that" sound to them.

Painful for me to do this, but this is going to have to be the first Fallout tune that gets a so-so rating from the Megaton Cat.


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Cash Curtis II
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It's a decent song. Although, those strange Neo Enters the Matrix sounds at the beginning could go.

And sometimes the drums sounds a bit too fast. Like, a quarter of a beat ahead of the rest of the song. It makes me want to trip over my feet as I walk.

But, that could be a perfect feeling for a game. Mabe a feeling of anxiety, fast and slightly disjointed.

Bottom line, good work. I could definitely see it contributing to a game's mood.


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Posted: 24th Jul 2006 05:56
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I dislike the stuttering voices...and it was a bit on the repetitive side...


but overall a nice song. I concur with Cash about it's mood settingness.

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Posted: 24th Jul 2006 11:07 Edited at: 24th Jul 2006 11:36
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No probs guys. I went back to traditional styles mixed up with Concord Dawn kinda stuff for this one. It definitely appeals more to dnb purists because of the Amen break and structure, plus timed stretched vocals (with clear time stretching) are very old skool jungle kinda things, so very dnb tradionalist. Harks back to days when sequencers and everything was so crap you couldnt actually time stretch anything, so you had to do multiple offsets down a sample to make it last long. I'm getting more chances to get my stuff on vinyl these days, so I have to mix for the floor. As for cheese factor, I would say the majority of it is cheddar like. I'm not afraid of cheese. So long as it's not boy band cheese and it sounds catchy, I don't discriminate.

Edit: On relistening to it this morning, I do notice a few errors and it doesnt seem as good as it did at 2am last night. So definitely not my best, agreed.

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Posted: 24th Jul 2006 15:53 Edited at: 25th Jul 2006 01:46
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Amen break? where? <.<

And there's too much reverb on everything. If you want to get yourself heard on the floor, you need something catchy and original, like Preying Mantis, but with more polish, like Cacoon, or Beats go Down. And, of course, more rip and distortion to the bassline. Ease up on the compressor (on everything). Crank the distortion to the max.

And finally, get some more freaking plugins and sample sets! I can pick out every sample you use from another song of yours.


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Posted: 24th Jul 2006 15:59 Edited at: 24th Jul 2006 15:59
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I like it chief! Thumbs up from me! Would fit well in a game me thinks.

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Posted: 24th Jul 2006 18:42
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Sorry Hawkster, but I've never heard you talk so much crap. I couldn't take any of your advice remotely seriously after you said ...

Quote: "Amen break? where?"


If you can't spot that, you clearly haven't got your head screwed on today.

@Drew

Cheers matey.

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I thought it was pretty good...

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Quote: "Harks back to days when sequencers and everything was so crap you couldnt actually time stretch anything, so you had to do multiple offsets down a sample to make it last long."


Ahh, the memories Using Modedit and Fast Tracker...

Quote: "Amen break? where?"


That's probably not as pathetic as my next question: what's an amen break?


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Posted: 24th Jul 2006 20:53 Edited at: 24th Jul 2006 21:12
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Quote: "Amen break? where? <.<"



gahahahhaa....


this track is perfect for floor mixing. I would use it as a buffer or inbetweeny between the bigger more defined tracks with more lyrics or quotes or whatever, but just because of its simplicity I would have it in my vinyl collection as a transition if nothing else.

I'm a DnB DJ for 3-4 years, this is what I'm looking for.


Amen break is a traditional 5 second drum loop thats been around since the origins of drum n bass...

basically if anyone knew anything about Drum n Bass (enough to criticize another artist) that person would undoubtedly know where the amen break was.

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Posted: 24th Jul 2006 20:56 Edited at: 24th Jul 2006 20:59
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http://www.di.fm/edmguide/edmguide.html

Most of the genre descriptions are jokes (but quite apt anyway) but the examples are generally characteristic of each genre. Hit "amen break" under samples in the title page to hear what it sounds like at normal speed. It's usually used at twice that speed however, and as a result is higher pitched.

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Quote: "this track is perfect for floor mixing. I would use it as a buffer or inbetweeny between the bigger more defined tracks with more lyrics or quotes or whatever, but just because of its simplicity I would have it in my vinyl collection as a transition if nothing else."

I never really viewed floorfillers with much enthuasiam, I always tend favor the more catchy polished standalone stuff. Yeah, it's a good floorfiller, but it's still a floorfiller! :-P


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Famous drum solo / sample by a 60's band (The Winstons I believe)

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Posted: 24th Jul 2006 21:12 Edited at: 24th Jul 2006 21:14
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Alright, I've listened to it again through my big speakers, and I've changed me mind, it is a good track, but still a little floorfillerish. Pardon the "amen break, where?" question; when I hear somebody say they've used that break my mind immediately jumps towards Venetian Snares style super-fast chops and edits. For example - http://tv3dfilez.ath.cx/byte/bYTEsMASHER%20-%20amennameneenema.mp3

Red Shift wasn't entirely entirely what I had thought it was going to be, so I guess I didn't really have my head screwed on right this morning. You could actually stand a little more compresson over the entire track, the volume meter jumps around a bit <.<

Sorry for bitchy comments earlier.


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hawkeye have you ever even touched a 2 channel mixer? much less a piece of vinyl?

mixing vinyl is an art, alot different than just draggin and droppin...

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That's the problem--- most of the people who write songs nowadays use drag and drop editors and don't touch a real instrument. Pity.


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