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Geek Culture / Visual Studio 2005 Express... Is it legal to sell creations?

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The Lone Programmer
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Posted: 24th Jul 2006 05:40
Hey,
I downloaded Visual Studio 2005 Express Edition and I am reaching some confusion.

I know that the Visual Studio 2005 Express Edition is 100% legal to sell the creations you make. Well what about the Win32 creations you make? In order to make Win32 applications with Visual C++ 2005 Express Edition you are required to download and install the Windows Platform SDK. The Platform SDK holds various Eula Agreements.

They are as follows:
Quote: "MICROSOFT SOFTWARE LICENSE TERMS

MICROSOFT PLATFORM SOFTWARE DEVELOPMENT KIT FOR WINDOWS SERVER 2003 R2

These license terms are an agreement between Microsoft Corporation (or based on where you live, one of its affiliates) and you. Please read them. They apply to the software named above, which includes the media on which you received it, if any. The terms also apply to any Microsoft:

· updates,

· supplements,

· Internet-based services, and

· support services

for this software, unless other terms accompany those items. If so, those terms apply.

By using this software, you accept these terms. If you do not accept them, do not use the software.



If you comply with these license terms, you have the rights below:

1. USE RIGHTS.
a. Use. You may install the software on any number of devices to design, develop and test your programs that run on a Microsoft Windows operating system.
b. Other Microsoft Programs. The software may contain other Microsoft programs that include license terms. The license terms with those programs apply to your use of them.
c. Distributable Code. The software contains code that you are permitted to copy and distribute in programs you develop if you comply with the terms below.
i. Right to Use and Distribute. The code and text files listed below are “Distributable Code.” You may:
· REDIST.TXT Files. Copy and distribute the object code form of code listed in REDIST.TXT files;

· Sample Code. Modify, copy and distribute the source and object code form of code marked as “sample” except for files identified as MFCs, ATLs and CRTs (see below);

· MFCs, ATLs and CRTs. Modify the source code form of Microsoft Foundation Classes (MFCs), Active Template Libraries (ATLs), and C runtimes (CRTs) to design, develop and test your programs, and copy and distribute the object code form of your modified files under a new name; and

· Third Party Distribution. Permit distributors of your programs to copy and distribute the Distributable Code as part of those programs.

ii. Distribution Requirements. For any Distributable Code you distribute, you must:

· add significant primary functionality to it in your programs;

· only invoke the software via interfaces described in the software documentation;

· for any Distributable Code having a filename extension of .lib, distribute only the results of running such Distributable Code through a linker with your application;

· distribute Distributable Code included in a setup program only as part of that setup program without modification;

· require distributors and external end users to agree to terms that protect it at least as much as this agreement;

· display your valid copyright notice on your programs;

· for Distributable Code from the Windows Media Services SDK portions of the software, include in your program’s Help-About box (or in another obvious place if there is no box) the following copyright notice: “Portions utilize Microsoft Windows Media Technologies. Copyright (c) 1999-2005 Microsoft Corporation. All Rights Reserved”; and

· indemnify, defend, and hold harmless Microsoft from any claims, including attorneys’ fees, related to the distribution or use of your programs.

iii. Distribution Restrictions. You may not:

· alter any copyright, trademark or patent notice in the Distributable Code;

· use Microsoft’s trademarks in your programs’ names or in a way that suggests your programs come from or are endorsed by Microsoft;

· distribute Distributable Code to run on a platform other than the Windows platform;

· include Distributable Code in malicious, deceptive or unlawful programs; or

· modify or distribute the source code of any Distributable Code so that any part of it becomes subject to an Excluded License. An Excluded License is one that requires, as a condition of use, modification or distribution, that:

o the code be disclosed or distributed in source code form, or

o others have the right to modify it.

2. TRANSFER. The first user of the software may transfer it and this agreement directly to a third party. Before the transfer, that party must agree that this agreement applies to the transfer and use of the software. The first user must uninstall the software before transferring it separately from the device. The first user may not retain any copies.
3. BACKUP COPY. You may make one backup copy of the software. You may use it only to reinstall the software.
4. DOCUMENTATION. You may copy and use the documentation for your internal, reference purposes.
5. EXPORT RESTRICTIONS. The software is subject to United States export laws and regulations. You must comply with all domestic and international export laws and regulations that apply to the software. These laws include restrictions on destinations, end users and end use. For additional information, see www.microsoft.com/exporting.
6. SUPPORT SERVICES. Because this software is “as is,” we may not provide support services for it.
7. SCOPE OF LICENSE. The software is licensed, not sold. This agreement only gives you some rights to use the software. Microsoft reserves all other rights. Unless applicable law gives you more rights despite this limitation, you may use the software only as expressly permitted in this agreement. In doing so, you must comply with any technical limitations in the software that only allow you to use it in certain ways. You may not:
· work around any technical limitations in the software,

· reverse engineer, decompile or disassemble the software, except and only to the extent that applicable law expressly permits, despite this limitation,

· make more copies of the software than specified in this agreement or allowed by applicable law, despite this limitation,

· publish the software for others to copy,

· rent, lease or lend the software, or

· use the software for commercial software hosting services.

8. ENTIRE AGREEMENT. This agreement and the terms for supplements, updates, Internet-based services and support services that you use are the entire agreement for the software and support services.
9. APPLICABLE LAW.
a. United States. If you acquired the software in the United States, Washington state law governs the interpretation of this agreement and applies to claims for breach of it, regardless of conflict of laws principles. The laws of the state where you live govern all other claims, including claims under state consumer protection laws, unfair competition laws, and in tort.
b. Outside the United States. If you acquired the software in any other country, the laws of that country apply.
10. LEGAL EFFECT. This agreement describes certain legal rights. You may have other rights under the laws of your country. You may also have rights with respect to the party from whom you acquired the software. This agreement does not change your rights under the laws of your country if the laws of your country do not permit it to do so.
11. DISCLAIMER OF WARRANTY. The software is licensed “as-is”. You bear the risk of using it. Microsoft gives no express warranties, guarantees or conditions. You may have additional consumer rights under your local laws which this agreement cannot change. To the extent permitted under your local laws, Microsoft excludes the implied warranties of merchantability, fitness for a particular purpose and non-infringement.
12. LIMITATION ON AND EXCLUSION OF REMEDIES AND DAMAGES. You can recover from Microsoft and its suppliers only direct damages up to U.S. $5.00. You cannot recover any other damages, including consequential, lost profits, special, indirect or incidental damages. This limitation applies to:
· anything related to the software, services, content (including code) on third party Internet sites, or third party programs, and

· claims for breach of contract, breach of warranty, guarantee or condition, strict liability, negligence, or other tort to the extent permitted by applicable law.

It also applies even if Microsoft knew or should have known about the possibility of the damages. The above limitation or exclusion may not apply to you because your country may not allow the exclusion or limitation of incidental, consequential or other damages.

Please note: As this software is distributed in Quebec, Canada, some of the clauses in this agreement are provided below in French.

Remarque: Ce logiciel étant distribué au Québec, Canada, certaines des clauses dans ce contrat sont fournies ci-dessous en français.

EXONÉRATION DE GARANTIE. Le logiciel visé par une licence est offert « tel quel ». Toute utilisation de ce logiciel est à votre seule risque et péril. Microsoft n’accorde aucune garantie ou condition expresse. Vous pouvez disposer de droits de consommateur additionnels que vous conférent vos lois locales, que la présente licence ne peut modifier. Dans la mesure permise par vos lois locales, les garanties implicites de qualité marchande, d’adaptation à un usage particulier et d’absence de contrefaçon sont exclues.

LIMITATION DES DOMMAGES-INTÉRÊTS ET EXCLUSION DE RESPONSABILITÉ POUR LES DOMMAGES. Vous pouvez obtenir de Microsoft et de ses fournisseurs une indemnisation en cas de dommages directs uniquement à hauteur de 5,00 $ US. Vous ne pouvez prétendre à aucune indemnisation pour les autres dommages, y compris les dommages spéciaux, indirects ou accessoires et pertes de bénéfices. Cette limitation concerne :

toute matière reliée au logiciel, aux services ou au contenu (y compris le code) figurant sur des sites Internet d’une tièrce partie ou dans des programmes d’une tièrce partie, et
les réclamations au titre de violation de contrat ou de garantie, ou au titre de responsabilité stricte, de négligence ou d’une autre faute dans la limite autorisée par la loi en vigueur.
Elle s’applique également, même si Microsoft connaissait ou devrait connaître l’éventualité d’un tel dommage. Si votre pays n’autorise pas l’exclusion ou la limitation de responsabilité pour les dommages indirects, accessoires ou de quelque nature que ce soit, il se peut que la limitation ou l’exclusion ci-dessus ne s’appliquera pas à votre égard.

EFFET JURIDIQUE. Le présent contrat décrit certains droits juridiques. Vous pourriez avoir d’autres droits prévus par les lois de votre pays. Le présent contrat ne modifie pas les droits que vous confèrent les lois de votre pays si celles‑ci ne le permettent pas.
"




Quote: "Platform Software Development Kit Redistributable Code
======================================================


64-bit Runtimes for MFC and ATL
===============================
msvcrt.dll
msvcp60.dll
msvcirt.dll
mfc42u.dll
mfc42kor.dll
mfc42jpn.dll
mfc42ita.dll
mfc42fra.dll
mfc42esp.dll
mfc42enu.dll
mfc42deu.dll
mfc42cht.dll
mfc42chs.dll
mfc42.dll
atl.dll


Visual Basic MMC Snap-in Designer
=================================
mssnapr.dll

Static LIB files
================
certidl.lib
d3dx.lib
d3dx8.lib
d3dx8dt.lib
d3dxd.lib
Dbcs.Lib
dinput.lib
dinput8.lib
dprintf.lib
DtcHelp.Lib
DxErr8.lib
Ex2KSdk.lib
Ex2KSdkD.lib
Fci.Lib
Fdi.Lib
GlAux.Lib
Htmlhelp.Lib
Ihvlink.Lib
MAPI.Lib
MiniDump.Lib
MMC.Lib
MsMqEp.Lib
odbccp32.lib
PEnter.Lib
RpcNdr.Lib
sadapi.lib
ScrnSave.Lib
ScrnSavW.Lib
Snacli.Lib
srchuuid.lib
strsafe.lib
unicows.lib
w32umode.lib
WinStrm.Lib
xaSwitch.Lib
xoleHlp.Lib


Windows Media Services 9 Series files
=====================================
interop_msxml.dll
microsoft.windowsmediaservices.dll
WMSServerTypeLib.dll




Related items available for download at
=======================================
http://www.microsoft.com/msdownload/platformsdk/sdkupdate/psdkredist.htm
"




Now what do you guys make of that? Can I legally sell the Win32 applications I make with Visual C++ 2005 Express Edition?


Thanks,
The Lone Programmer

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hyrichter
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Posted: 24th Jul 2006 05:52
I don't see anything in there saying you can't, so I think it's quite safe to assumet that you can.

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TKF15H
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Posted: 24th Jul 2006 06:23
It said on a FAQ at the MS site, so yes, you can sell what you make with it.

The Lone Programmer
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Posted: 24th Jul 2006 08:24
TKF15H
You are partially incorrect. You are able to sell what you make with the Express Edition. Meaning you can sell anything designed with the .Net platform. The Platform SDK, for building Win32 Applications, has its own licensing information. I pasted the licenses above. The question is whether or not you are entitled to comercial distribution of the software you make using the Platform SDK.


I appreciate your guy's attempts to help. Please though, if anyone knows the correct answer please feel free to leave it.


Thanks,
The Lone Programmer

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ionstream
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Posted: 24th Jul 2006 20:31 Edited at: 24th Jul 2006 20:32
The Platform SDK has nothing to do with Visual C++ Express, it can be used with many different MS IDES and Compilers, even the ones that cost money, so I'd assume that they would allow commercial applications to be developed with it.

Of course, you know what happens when you assume:

You might look like a friggin idiot.

Dazzag
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Posted: 24th Jul 2006 20:40
On the other hand just claim ignorance. The documentation on their own website looks ok, so you didn't think anything of it. If anyone queries this then point them at that. If it becomes clear that you were wrong then claim ignorance and either take the product off the market (if it has weak sales) or buy VS (if good sales).

If you are really worried then I would email MS directly if I was you, or possibly post the question on an MS forum.

Cheers

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Lost in Thought
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Posted: 24th Jul 2006 23:41
I would surely check into it a bit more before going any furhter. You can't claim ignorance against breaking the law in the US. Well you can one time in your life, but it can't be against a fellony.

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