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Xarshi
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Alright. Well,more recently I've been noticing something. Whenever I'm working on something,I start to stare at the screen,then I sorta just don't look at anything at all. By an hour into programming,I am in a trance without blinking for long periods of time. This happen to any other people?

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Jeff Miller
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Posted: 25th Jul 2006 02:31
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Happens to me now and then, except the no-blinking part. I'd try to avoid that. You only get one set of peepers in this life.
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Oddmind
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if your pretty good at programming make a program that reminds you hhaha.

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SageTech
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Posted: 25th Jul 2006 06:50
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Ive noticed something similiar, after all I program 14 hours straight almost every day. What you need to remember is that your eyes are not built to stare at a screen, Try to look at an object 30 inches away for about 15 seconds 4 times an hour, then take 5 minute breaks every now and then. I know it helps me, If you stare at the screen without any breaks, you'll suffer from eye fatigue, and with that programming becomes a pain! Cheers.

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I call it "hibernation".


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Lost in Thought
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I usually just code until I see 2 of everything. Then it's time to quit. First the screen starts to get blurry (but who needs to read it anyway while coding ), then the words and pictures start to seperate. When you can see 2 full images/words of each ... it is time to stop.

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Ohh, nice to know I'm not the only one with that thousand-yard-stare, it's a medical condition brought about by looking at too many closed brackets. I find that staring at a long line of code full of brackets leaves me in that state, like that extra bracket stopping your code compiling is doing it deliberately, it's a plant, sent in by jealous government coders.

When my brain starts to think like that, it's time for bed.

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Fallout
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My eyes are ruined from computer use. I have eye strain all the time plus eye floaters which are thickenings of the liquid in your eyes causing black spots and grey lines all over your vision. I'm not short or long sighted, it's just eye strain and god damn visual artifacts that cause me problems. I'm only 24 too.

Make sure you look after your eyes while they're still in good shape. As mentioned above, spend at least 5 minutes away from the compo in every hour and try to constantly look at other objects of different distances. My eyes felt a lot better when I set my compo up downstairs a few weeks back and was looking up from the screen to tele (about 12 feet away) all the time. All my eye problems got noticably better. You really don't wany eye floaters, trust me. It's like using dirty glasses with no hope of cleaning them.

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Dazzag
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Posted: 25th Jul 2006 14:52
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Do the same thing at a company for over 10 years. Happens quite a lot then. Boredom mixed with apathy is what I call it.

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Posted: 25th Jul 2006 16:20 Edited at: 25th Jul 2006 16:37
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Toby Quan
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Posted: 25th Jul 2006 16:48
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Exactly.
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haha. Awesome. I had to actually double take thinking that my monitor had died a death.

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Quote: "I usually just code until I see 2 of everything. Then it's time to quit. First the screen starts to get blurry (but who needs to read it anyway while coding ), then the words and pictures start to seperate. When you can see 2 full images/words of each ... it is time to stop."


Yeah, thats what I do, once that starts to happen you have no choice but to go to bed.

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I do it as well. It's natural for programmers as it's like your programming in your head and thinking out logic before you commit it to text.

What I hate about it is that I'll sit down excited to program something, I'll go into a trance thinking about ideas and logic and how to program something in the best way possible, and by the time I snap out of it, I'm bored and need to go watch tv or go for a walk or something else. It's a bit frustrating.

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Xarshi
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Yeah,just wondering. It happened more yesterday cuz I was up for more than 48 hours mostly programming

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Dazzag
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Shouldn't let it get that far. At the end of the day even when you start getting tired it is probably time to stop. Some of the code I've created while very tired looked like rubbish when looked at with fresh eyes the next day. I remember trying to fix a problem for like 3 hours once and couldn't. Went home about 2am. Came in the next day and saw the problem straight away. Plus 2 or 3 glaringly bug creating lines of code.

Sometimes you haven't a choice (when I worked in Dubai I did a 94 hour working week and got 156 hours overtime in one month) but is nuts to code for too long. I'm glad I don't work on critical systems. Worst that can happen is you might not get the correct pricing for your holiday, or a hotel errata shows incorrectly. Have a bad day on critical systems and people die. Especially if the QA department are a bunch of muppets.

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Quote: " I'll go into a trance thinking about ideas and logic and how to program something in the best way possible, and by the time I snap out of it, I'm bored and need to go watch tv or go for a walk or something else"
I tend to think of a great idea then almost do it all in my head. Then I hit an annoying obstacle that would be quite boring/time consuming/difficult (normally all 3) to do so I end up watching Scrubs or somesuch instead

I even had development diaries going back to when I was 10 showing the same characteristics (ie. lazy git). Amusing to see these days how my "revolutionary" game ideas I wrote down at the time (20+ years ago now) were very similar to games I happened to be playing at the time

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Xarshi
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Hah,I usually tend to go past the moment I start seeing two. Infact,I think its fun! Just think,If I didn't do that,I wouldn't be nearly as finished as I am with getting basic 3d commands into c++

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Give me a 6-pack of vault and im fine!

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I used to (when I wasn't so lazy) do so much programming that basically I ran on automatic. So automatic in fact that I could actually talk to myself inside my head at the same time as I carried on coding. Honest to god. Helps I am a touch typist too, but is totally creepy. I remember this one quite complicated piece of code that was just writing itself under my fingertips (pretty fast still too) while I thought to myself "God I'm not even consiously thinking about the code here. Think I'll instead do some mental arithmetic; 5*6=30, 6*7=42 etc. Hmmm, now I'm going to start reading the code from a few lines above the line I am currently writing. Hmmm. Yes, I see what I have done, that seems like the first time I have ever seen this code... Would have done it a little differently myself mind....". Yep, I was QA'ing one part of my own code while I created another part. Well cool that was. Lasted for about a couple of minutes too. Happened about 3 times in total when I was in Uni (serious amounts of caffeine, Pro Plus, ciggies, and lack of sleep).

It's bad though when you get home from work after driving for half an hour and have absolutely *no* memory at all of driving home. None.

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nice gag batvink

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Quote: "Ive noticed something similiar, after all I program 14 hours straight almost every day."

I thought you were still at school sage. That's a pretty impressive talent you've got there, being in a maths lesson at the same time as coding!

But back to the original question, I sometimes go into a sort of trance during which I don't tend to blink but that's really only when i'm insanely tired. The only thing that's probably stopping me from falling asleep on the spot is the light emitted from the monitor.
Even stranger, when I used a CRT I had it at a rediculous rate of 60hz (it was the only refresh rate i could have at a high res). I was doing some school work the night before, took around 4 hours and the next day I found my eye-lids constantly twitching. Very bizarre and incredibly annoying!

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Sirrey fer mi ewfall tipung, I cen't se streit.


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Posted: 27th Jul 2006 09:34 Edited at: 27th Jul 2006 09:34
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I think it's a lot worst on Dark Basic Classic. The white letters on black background really starts to mess you up after a while. I would pay $100 for DBPro just for nice editor.
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Quote: "The white letters on black background really starts to mess you up after a while."

You can change that in the settings...


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@chilly dog-thats why dark edit was made
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Yeah DarkEdit is more like the DBPro IDE, damn vital add-on.

It's kinda embarassing but I'm so used to the default DBPro IDE that I find it hard to switch. I always did like that stuff to be uncluttered, really if I need a tree view to keep tabs on my source codes then I'm not doing my job, not keeping my end of the bargain. Really all we should expect from an IDE is to let us edit code and run it through the compiler, as long as it lets me do that easily I'm happy.

Really the main thing I'd add is sidebar help, like that strip at the right hand side - I hate switching windows just to look up a command. Imagine just selecting the help tab and selecting your desired command from a droplist - then while you code you get to see the help pages.


Does anyone elses IDE do this:
When you update DBPro, and load up the IDE again, all the font and display stuff is set back to it's default? - is that just me or does everyone have this issue?.
Makes me kinda hesitant to mess with the font settings, because they just get wiped each time.

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Posted: 27th Jul 2006 21:41 Edited at: 27th Jul 2006 21:41
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Although lots of whiteness is bad for your eyes. Well at least on a CRT it is. Not sure on LCD, but when a do a load of stuff at home I'm fine on the LCDs, but at work with a CRT monitor my eyes are killing me if I have to do specs (Word) all day. Flip to programming (everything is in terminal emulators so black background normally) and I'm fine all day. You can change window settings to make it grey or something instead of white in word, but doesn't look the same. There is also a word perfect mode that makes word have a blue background, but MS half-a**ed it and most graphical stuff screws up. Will need glasses soon at this rate...

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