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I've been reading this forum day and night because I am
an avid game creator and 3d model builder.

It makes me very angry to see some of the most talented
modelers give such negative responses to people just starting
out and learning.

Didn't we all have to start at the bottom ?

Not sure who you are talking about; if you mean Higgins, then that's just the way he is I guess (he's been known to be nice occassionally).

-Keith

i really don't mind newbs, it's just when they start damanding free stuff, that's when i have to tell them that that's not how it works.

I will agree with you on that Dark Heart !

I'd rather have someone tell me how to rig a model
then do it for me.

I like the "hands on" approach.

I have nothing against the newer generation asking questions and trying to learn, it's when they are rude ungrateful, or demand stuff i get mad at them

I love everyone.

Wessie,
I know why I post sarcastically. I can't speak for others.

Theres nothing at all being wrong with being "noob" as you termed it. Actually, you'll find I don't even use that word. It's played out and over used.

When some ones new and you see their trying, thats one thing. But you'll find I post sarcastically to post where the member is asking for stuff knowing how all feel about it. The people I post against, make post so ignorant, I figure if there that brave to post....I'm surely going to reply.

Asking for models before looking at the sticky

Asking for custom work cause its not that hard but I don't know how to do it yet.

Asking for tutorials instead of using the search.

Asking for tutorials when it's not even a TGC product when the product makers site would probably be much better.

Asking for tutorials to software you know came with tons of documentation and no reason to ask this(3dmax is a big one on this...so many with warez copies( I love giving a page number to documents on this knowing most don't have it cause it was on a different cd then the install))

The list can on and on. Since you really can't make a person have common sense, I find a thing that works is embarrassing said person into doing what the rest of the community dose, which is read up on things, paying attention to the forums and how the community works together. That being of a give and take relationship. Not of a "Gimme,gimme".

You can give credit where credit is due. Like the last person I helped here on this forum was probably Stamina. But I could see he was trying and only needed a little nudging to get his UVMapping in the right direction.

Had Stamina asked for something that was repeated 10000000 times and easily found on a search engine.....I'd of razzed him as well.

The point of coming back in threads is more to make those that have absolutely no common sense start thinking before they actually hit the "PostMessage" button. If they have the freedom to post dribble, others have the freedom to post a response. It's kinda a two way street. I don't belive in "If you've got nothing nice to say..". I belive in "Sqeaky wheel gets the grease". I find if you say nothing at all, they keep making the same kind of post. The people that say don't say anything are the same sort of people that complain about politics and never vote.

Can't change things if your not heard(or read in this case).

I accually have to agree with Locrian. It's not the one who want to learn that get the bussiness, it's the ones that won't take the basic steps to learning that get it from me. Pretty much all of what Locrian said.

Wow.The reason that some of our older forum members tend to be a little harsh to newcomers sometimes is because they get into a hurry and sometimes they don't read the rules and stickies...especially the two stickies at the top of this forum...
Tutorial city and the resources sticky.If you had any idea how many threads would not be posted if those were read...
Another thing is that some people (and it's not just newcomers) ask for models or at times outright demand them.
While asking someone to make you a crate is not too bad (although you can get a modeling program and make your own in minutes) some people ask for weapons and/or characters and it is obvious that they haven't tried modeling them or they would understand you just don't wave your modeling wand and presto! the model appears...
The other thing I have noticed is that when someone requests something if they have tried to do it on their own or have made some kind of attempt to contribute to the community they generally get a better reception than one who does not.Effort goes a long way arond here.
Some of our forum members get touchy when they go to all of the trouble to make something for free and nobody appreciates it.And rightfully so.
For instance,someone makes a weapon and gives it to the community for free and the next question is "Where are the pick ups?"
If someone downloads the free FPSC entity maker they can make their own pick ups in minutes.
I have read complaints about textures,the color of the hands attached to the guns,whether something looks realistic,etc.
Some forum members do not read insturctions to install the entities when they are provided.
Some don't even read a post before they post a new thread.
A while back someone posted a thread on a weapon and in the post directly below that was the weapon that they were looking for.
Then there are those who don't want to read the manual or use the search function.In order to use FPSC effectively you have to read the manual.
Now I am not a big fan of flaming and I am fairly understanding when people post things but some people are rude or ill-mannered or insist on continuing bad behavior...like refusing to use the search function,etc.
While I don't condone some of the flaming that goes on around here
it happens on every forum.It's part of forum life and as long as it's not out of hand,etc. we all have to live with it.
Some people do appear (and can be) rude at times but they are being honest.
And I would rather hear the truth than hear what I want to hear.
If someone breaks the rules of the AUP (which has just been redone.Please check it out) the moderators will deal with it as best we can.
And asking someone to make you models around here is generally a no-no.
We welcome all newcomers to the forums and hope that you take away some knowledge from here.
Thanks to everyone who bothers to read my extra-super-long-post.

very true , but there are cases when it is ok, such as you are offering a sevice for trade. I remember once, some one asked for a model, but offered scripting help in return. Now that was the right idea. Offering "credit in a game" is a useless trade for someone's hard work.

That's true.I was referring to the all-too-often recurring someone just saying please make such and such a model for free and offer nothing in return...and sometimes forgetting the please.
Offering something for trade or offering to pay for a model is a good idea...sometimes a favor will get you farther than cash.
I personally have made a few models that forum members have asked for.If it doesn't take too long and it's not complicated I had no problem with it.
The more effort I see from the requester the more likely I am to make a model for him or her.

I don't mind helping a newb once in a while but it''s just the real stupid lazy stuff that buggs me. Like asking "how do i place items" thats just annoying because they think they are so important they don't have to read anything and everyone else will do it for them. Also like fred said begging for somthing with nothing in return is kinda rude. In my case you may have seen i created a thread for free logos and texture, I didn't say no noobs reqests but i gave them to anyone. On the other hand if someone writes a 50 page request then I'm just gonna go all out on them because thats crazy.

Well,,my 2 cents worth..

When I was a "noob" the first thing I did when I registered is I read every post that was related to anything I was interested in. I did a search for things, and when the search did not reveal something, I altered my search until I found what I was looking for or realized it didnt exhist.

Just reading and searching this board will give ANY noob a wealth of knowlege and reference material. The problem is, THEY DONT DO IT. They register, and just start asking for stuff, and in some cases, demanding stuff. Anyone I see that is trying to do it themselves and get stuck, I always try to help as that is what was done for me, ( thanking locrian, Disturbing13,several moderators and a few others that have popinted me in the right direction).

1 thing I have learned which has made me respect modelers is the time and patience it takes to create a lot of the things people are asking for. It is definatly a talent and an art, and a lot of these noob's dont respect that or for that matter even acknowlege the effort. That is what gets me.

In a nutshell, noob's should look first, ask later - try first and fail and look for help after, they should not register and just start asking for everything and anything.

Hope it makes sense,,I just woke up...lol

The Title of this Thread is offensive so I will lock it now that I have seen it and will continue to lock any threads that have offensive words or phrases in their Titles.

The only other option available to me is to delete such a thread immediately and I may also do that without further warning in future.

Additionally dont be surprised if I delete this one completely too following locking after you have had tinme to digest this warning.

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