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indi
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Posted: 17th Aug 2006 09:13
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about $48 per disc eek!

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Posted: 17th Aug 2006 10:42
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$48 for a 50GB recordable Blu-Ray isn't really that expensive in my opinion. I mean, two of them and you've got 20GB more space than I have on my crummy second computer (which I'm using at the moment)--pretty good as far as I see it.

Of course, you need the Blu-Ray recorder, which will set you back a fair bit.


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Posted: 17th Aug 2006 10:47
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it will drop in price if its taken as the standard. but yeah ill wait for that

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Posted: 17th Aug 2006 11:49
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if a simple blueray disk costs $48, and the ps3 games will be on blueray disks, and we have to pay for the developers work and an additional fee to them so they can distribute the cd's.
that's probably $70 a game. but then i don't know a whole lot i was just thinking out loud in text format.
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Posted: 17th Aug 2006 13:11
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the HD discs have a limit of about $30 I think. Most I've seen have been $25.

You hear about the blu-ray players for computers? They won't play commercial discs.

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Quote: "if a simple blueray disk costs $48, and the ps3 games will be on blueray disks, and we have to pay for the developers work and an additional fee to them so they can distribute the cd's.
that's probably $70 a game. but then i don't know a whole lot i was just thinking out loud in text format. "


Well, that's for user prices, but the price i'm sure developers will pay will be cheaper since they order in mass orders. Or do decelopers even need to buy discs? wouldn't it be the producers or something else?
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Even if the PS3's games cost like 60$ they are going to be 2x to 3x the size of any other game on any other console.

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Quote: "Even if the PS3's games cost like 60$ they are going to be 2x to 3x the size of any other game on any other console.
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Not really. There´ll be much more empty space. And they will cost over $70. In Europe anyway.

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Quote: "Even if the PS3's games cost like 60$ they are going to be 2x to 3x the size of any other game on any other console"
Doubt it. I remember thinking the same thing about PS1 games on CD. Some games didn't take up more than 50mb. I remember that rubbish football game three lions taking up something like 23mb. So basically you could fit something like 30 copies of the game on the CD if you wanted. Total wastage. And I doubt the PS3 is going to be vastly different for the majority of games.

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Posted: 17th Aug 2006 18:36
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They may fill up some more storage space with DVD/HDTV quality cut scenes and music, but other than that - it's not going to be actual 'game worth' that will fill up that space. Games are generally 12-30 hours long (excluding online games and epic-RPGs like FF) with some actually creeping down to 8 hours long. Code is relatively small, storage wise - it is media that takes space.

So to fill up those blueray disks, they'll probably just add a lot more videos to the game. It's just me - but videos don't make a game, especially if they're stopping me from playing (i.e. unskippable cut scenes).

(Yes, there may be a relatively mild increase in texture sizes, or numbers of textures, but otherwise it's not going to be that much extra needed space).

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Posted: 17th Aug 2006 18:41 Edited at: 17th Aug 2006 18:43
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Doesn't the PS3 still support normal DVDs though? My understanding was the majority of games wouldn't use Blu-ray, with the exception of ones like FF that consist mostly of cut scenes.
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Posted: 17th Aug 2006 18:48
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If you ask me, 10GB is all programmers should need. But it's poor standards, and... (blah blah blah about standards again.)


Since the other one was scaring you guys so much...
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i think that 5GB is more then enough myself, Battlefield 2 is about 2GB and look at the different texture modes etc you can get with that, consoles have ONE texture mode and it doesnt need to be customisable with anything like that so you are saying storage that way

why would you want videos though i would much rather program the videos my self that way it would still be able to look nice and real at the same time, rather then your character being miles away from where you were before it would be dead on center

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Posted: 17th Aug 2006 20:44
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Quote: "640K ought to be enough for anybody."

This quote is now 25 years old.

Quote: "If you ask me, 10GB is all programmers should need."

This one is 2 hours and counting...

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Well computers arent changing nearly as drastically now as they were when the 640k quote was made.

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Posted: 17th Aug 2006 21:10 Edited at: 17th Aug 2006 21:11
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Quote: "Well computers arent changing nearly as drastically now as they were when the 640k quote was made."


Oh really?

http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9584_22-6085568.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_computer

Thousands of other technologies are arriving every month. How about one that allows for current magnetic disc technology to be 1000 times more efficient? How about holographic storage which holds petabytes of data? Things will continue to change much quicker than everyone expects. Technology hasn't plateaued, the powers that be are keeping the bulls at the gates.

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Posted: 17th Aug 2006 22:33
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Quote: "Doesn't the PS3 still support normal DVDs though? My understanding was the majority of games wouldn't use Blu-ray, with the exception of ones like FF that consist mostly of cut scenes."

I thought they might do that but no website I´ve read mentions it. I think a few ps2 games were on cds so it´s very possible.

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Posted: 17th Aug 2006 22:39 Edited at: 17th Aug 2006 22:40
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$48 is very steep considering that CDs and DVDs cost about 10p / disk! lol but the price will come down.

I'll be very surprised if Blu-Ray doesn't end up in the tech graveyard just like every other Sony media format... BETA-MAX, Mini-Disc, ATRAC, UMD movies... etc

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What's so good about a Blue-Ray Disc anyway, if it has the same stupid lag that DVD's get from one scratch then it's deffintly not worth more than $30.

Cocacola and Pepsi aren't that differnt. Deal with it.
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Posted: 17th Aug 2006 23:03
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Quote: "What's so good about a Blue-Ray Disc anyway, if it has the same stupid lag that DVD's get from one scratch then it's deffintly not worth more than $30."


Best advice; look after your disks! My dad's DVD player (which cost a fortune) doesn't like dirty or scratched disks at all, but my cheapo £20 DVD player works fine with them! lol Go figure.

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Lol, did anyone notice the Cyber Fridge on that website?

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When CD-ROMs came out everyone was worried that they would make the price of games increase dramatically, but that never happened. When you're dealing with bulk jobs like mainstream studios, it decreases production costs considerably. They've already released movies on blu-ray and I've seen them at around the same price as DVD's, sometimes at $1 more... not a big difference. Also, these are Blu-Ray recordable discs and that is NOT the same as a DVD-R. If you think DVD-R's are cheap, you should find out the unit cost for each DVD-ROM used in game production... it's dramatically cheaper. This price is high mostly because not many people have blu-ray recorders. When more people get blu-ray, the price will drop. Then some cool new technology will come out in ten years and everyone will have this same conversation, but about the new cool tech


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I expect this will be the last physical storage we have, in 10 years everything will be digital.

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probably. I read an article somewhere that said something about how digital storage devices could "breath new life" into arcades, like you'd be able to store scores and that would somehow make arcades cool again. I disagree with that though, I think arcades are simply dead and as much as that sucks, there's nothing we can do about it


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Microsoft just announced that there will be no 360 games in the HD-DVD format, so they realize that bigger space does not mean a better game. Kudos to them for not blindly following the "bigger is better" craze.


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Posted: 18th Aug 2006 00:42 Edited at: 18th Aug 2006 00:42
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Arcades could be revived, its just going to take an entrepreneur with enough “pizzazz” to think up a new business model.

For example a virtual reality room, where multiple people can play at the same time…

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Doesn't have to be virtual reality. Simply have a fantastic battlefield simulation and network it all up with a few Afterburner cabinets (the ones that could go 360), Thunderblade cabinets, and whatever decent car and light gun games are around. Top stuff Actually I saw a program on discovery once that had something similar in the military. Think it was mainly tanks and helicopters. Oh yes.

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Yeh, would be kool to try to setup a modern arcade, but one guy can only do so much!

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Here is yet another of the many head to head reviews that have been coming out about Blu-Ray vs HD-DVD image quality, if any one is interested.

http://www.highdefdigest.com/feature_blurayvshddvd_firstcomparison.html

I personally won't be thinking of buying either for my comp, until they are rewritable $48 for a one time write is absurd. I'm just thinking about putting my $48 disk in, getting 50gbs of data sorted starting a burn (and who knows how long that would take, since 4.6gb takes around 8 to 15 mins depending on drive speed) and the electricity goes out. I would be so pissed off if i lost a 50 dollar disk and couldn't re burn, so yeah i will be waiting.

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that would ROCK! Like, "Battlefield: Arcade" in every mall across america. Konami has those nifty motion sensor arcade games, where you move in front of a motion detection range and your movement is translated to the game. It's slow and bulky, but if it were upgraded, it would be hot. Then get some tank, jeep, and plane simulations, like the afforementioned afterburner rigs (that game was so much fun!), and you could make a whole war online. Each arcade or chain of arcades could go up against other arcades/ chains of arcades, with teams that compete in tournaments. Quick, call the patent office!


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Infact how cool would it be if we all had 360 Afterburner cabinets linked to a multiplayer DBP game? Tops. Infact where are those guys with the carrier command remake? Plug in my Afterburner rig and dibs the first plane thingy Of course you would then have "controllers" who dictate things from their carrier. How cool would that be?

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I agree with Zone Chicken. I wouldn't want to pay 50 bucks for a disc knowing that there is always the chance that the disc won't burn properly for what ever reason (electricity, buffer underrun, windows crash) then that’s 50 bucks down the drain.

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Nice link, Zone Chicken --- looks like HD-DVD beats out Blu-Ray for all those comparison reviews so far.

And wow, you have a high gamer score!


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There's a company that's developed a single disc that can support writing from both HD or BluRay. One or the other, not both at the same time, but still...

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