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Gamedesign er20
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Posted: 20th Aug 2006 01:36
Say I made a game with Mario in it, what could i and could not do with the game because Mario is copyrighted by Nintendo?

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Gamedesign er20
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Posted: 20th Aug 2006 01:48
So why do I always see websites that have mario in flash games and stuff?
http://www.flash-game.net/game/2098/super-mario-64.html

Cocacola and Pepsi aren't that differnt. Deal with it.
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Because they like to live life on the edge


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Posted: 20th Aug 2006 02:06
Mario & characters are Nintendo's property. Using him in your own creations without permission is illegal! To do so legally you'd have to license them.. I.e. $$$.

http://www.nintendo.com/corp/legal.jsp

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Posted: 20th Aug 2006 02:19
Ok I understand, but is what hawkeye said true, that they are living on the edge because what they are doing is illegel, and they can get sued?

Cocacola and Pepsi aren't that differnt. Deal with it.
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Posted: 20th Aug 2006 02:36
They could, more likely though they would recieve a letter/email demanding they take the game down. Has happened a few times in the past were people have been working on a fan game and recieved a letter telling them to stop work on it.
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Posted: 20th Aug 2006 02:48
When you say take the game down, do you mean off a website, if you do does that mean if someone did not sell or put it on a website, they wouldn't get a letter?

Cocacola and Pepsi aren't that differnt. Deal with it.
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Posted: 20th Aug 2006 02:51
Quote: "When you say take the game down, do you mean off a website, if you do does that mean if someone did not sell or put it on a website, they wouldn't get a letter?"

They basically mean to stop distributing it. No matter what means you use to give out the copyrighted material, it is illegal and they'll have you stop all business, free or paid, involving that game.


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Posted: 20th Aug 2006 02:53
...you can do anything you want with it, as long as you don't make a profit. Even if you do make a small profit off of ads, chances are no one is going to care, let alone notice.

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Posted: 20th Aug 2006 02:59 Edited at: 20th Aug 2006 02:59
Quote: "...you can do anything you want with it, as long as you don't make a profit."


Quote: "they'll have you stop all business, free or paid, involving that game."


I'm kinda getting mixed feelings.

If i made a game with mario, and then posted it in Program annoucements, would I be in trouble?

Cocacola and Pepsi aren't that differnt. Deal with it.
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Posted: 20th Aug 2006 03:08 Edited at: 20th Aug 2006 03:10
It depends, most likely you will be fine, if however your game becomes a big hit and gets mentioned all across the internet (or you just have really bad luck) and word of your game ends up getting to Nintendos legal department then they could sue you. Chances of them ever finding out about your game though are low, and even then its highly unlikely they would do anything about it, beyond asking you to remove it.

If your really concerned about this you can always try emailing Nintendo and asking permission, but to be honest I wouldn't worry much about it.
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Posted: 20th Aug 2006 03:14
Last thing i would want is to be sued

Nintendo V.S. Average guy who lives in Florida!
WHO WILL WIN!

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Posted: 20th Aug 2006 03:18
Well like I say chances of that are low, infact I can't think of a single case where someone has actually been sued for making a fan game, just asked to stop working on it/ stop distributing it.
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Posted: 20th Aug 2006 03:21
Thanks for the help , I have one last question though, does PacMan have the same copyright law?

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Posted: 20th Aug 2006 03:23
I belive Namco holds the copyright to pacman.
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Posted: 20th Aug 2006 03:26
Thanks

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Posted: 20th Aug 2006 03:40
Quote: "...you can do anything you want with it, as long as you don't make a profit. Even if you do make a small profit off of ads, chances are no one is going to care, let alone notice."


Completely false, it is a myth that as long as you do not make a profit you are not breaking any laws. Nintendo or any other copyright holder can pursue you as far as they want to no matter if it is free or you charge. Usually people just get a letter because lawyers are expensive and a suit needs to justify their costs.

You could however use a spoof such as Super Moronio Brothers etc. and be protected under satirical use. You would not be able to use any of their actual graphics or music but you could base your media closely to the original as long as there was something that justified it in your parody.

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Posted: 20th Aug 2006 03:49 Edited at: 20th Aug 2006 03:50
Well could you tak their music and then edit it in a Music editor,
So it sounds kinnda like it, but at the same time it's your own?

Cocacola and Pepsi aren't that differnt. Deal with it.
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Posted: 20th Aug 2006 04:09
But then you used their music to make yours. Hardly fair is it?



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Posted: 20th Aug 2006 04:46
Quote: "Nintendos legal department then they could sue you. "


A big corporation suing some little guy for making a fangame, i doubt it..

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Posted: 20th Aug 2006 06:22
It would cost more for them to sue you then they would get from winning

Quote: "if you do does that mean if someone did not sell or put it on a website, they wouldn't get a letter?"


Look at the recent case of Bizarre asking the guy who did the Blitz Basic clone of Geometry Wars to take his game off the web. It was a free game mind you! They will most likely ask you (if they're inclined) to remove the offending work first.


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Posted: 20th Aug 2006 08:19
The name Mario is not copyrighted. The guy with the red overalls and hat is. When I was young I had a tenis instructer named Mario.


Quote: "But then you used their music to make yours. Hardly fair is it?
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no one would ever know...

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Posted: 20th Aug 2006 09:04
If you make a game with mario in the title, and the game happens to be about toms e plumber that stomps on enemys then that could easily be construde as a mario ripoff and you will get a c&d, if however you make a commercial game with the same issues then they could sue you as you would be making profit from there ideas, you would most likely just get a c&d though since its happened to quite a few games/mods.

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Posted: 20th Aug 2006 09:22
I wouldn't waste my time ripping off an unoriginal idea. Not only would it likely get a Cease and Desist Order, but it wouldn't amount to anything.

Like someone else said, they'll slap a C&D on you the moment they catch wind of your project. I've seen it happen many times. They wouldn't sue unless there is money involved, or if you ignore the C&D.

Just make something original. People are generally turned off by rip offs.


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Posted: 20th Aug 2006 16:57 Edited at: 20th Aug 2006 17:01
Well one thing I know was that if i ever made a game with mario in it, I wasn't going to make it like a typical mario game(a platformer where you jump on goomba's), I was going to make it a puzzle game, and it wasn't even offically Mario, but one of the charcters kinda looked like Mario, and I was afraid I cound't make it anymore.

Cocacola and Pepsi aren't that differnt. Deal with it.
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Posted: 20th Aug 2006 17:41
Quote: "...you can do anything you want with it, as long as you don't make a profit. Even if you do make a small profit off of ads, chances are no one is going to care, let alone notice.
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Basically he is wrong. You are not the interlectual creator/ owner nor the legal owner of mario or anything related to it.

People get away with it simply because it costs too much to sue everyone, which is why they write request letters. On the other hand, if you receive one of these and you fail to comply, then they may, or may not make an example of you. It really depends on what they want too do. Your level of risk goes hand in hand with the level of exposier and interest that is generated.

I would ask you one question though. Why use Mario at all? That style of platform/ 3D game is hardly unknown. You can easily produce a mario "style" game without infringing upon someone elses copywrite. Change the characters, and use your own media instead of ripping it from one of theres, and you will have a perfectly acceptable mario clone without resorting to theif of anothers idea's.

In reguards to pacman the same thing applies, produce a clone, call it something else, use your own media, and you will have no problems at all.

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Posted: 21st Aug 2006 17:14
The simple rule: If you use copyright material without the owners permission, it is illegal.
Not only that, but its wrong. I wouldn't like someone stealing my designs, artwork or ideas and have requested Web sites to remove such content in the past. I have never had to go so far as a legal C&D order yet, but this was work I did which was part of my livelyhood. I have to eat too and when I do paid work for people I will protect its copyright.

Anyway, do a quick search for 'The Great Giana Sisters' if you are in any doubt as to Nintendos power and protectiveness over their property. That game was very similar to Mario Brothers ('similar' but not even using the same characters) and Rainbow Arts were forced to withdraw the game and cancel development on other platforms after a legal threat from Nintendo.

Also, I remember seeing a documentary which included a guy who had to get written permission from Disney to have some of their characters tattooed on his body. Everybody else who has a tattoo of a Disney character without written permission is actually breaking the law. Scary.
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Posted: 21st Aug 2006 22:43
1. I would never actually use or rip Mario, as I said it just kinda looked like Mario, because I wanted one of my charcters to have a moustache and the sprites were small so it kinda looked like Mario, and I didn't want Nintendo saying, I used there charcter especially if there was a harsh punishment.

2. The whole tattoo thing is just plain crazy

Cocacola and Pepsi aren't that differnt. Deal with it.

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