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David iz cool
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hi,im using internet explorer.(some kind of beta from the msn home site) but im having problems with it.it wont ever remember passwords i type & im getting tired of typing these things in every where i go.

can anyone recommend a good + secure web browser?? or tell me how to make internet explorer(beta) not sure what version it is,remember login info etc??
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Teh Go0rfmeister
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Posted: 29th Aug 2006 23:35
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firefox seems to be the worlds favourite non-IE explorer. give it a try. i use it and havent had any problems.

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Bug Man
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Posted: 30th Aug 2006 00:16
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if u need a browser for some weird MSN company or something i dunno but Mozilla Firefox is really reliable and fast

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David iz cool
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Posted: 30th Aug 2006 00:22
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ok,ill try it.thanks!
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Seppuku Arts
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Posted: 30th Aug 2006 01:01
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Firefox, or Opera, I've found Opera uses less memory, if that becomes a problem, then see if that makes any differance. But I always use Firefox.

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Nicholas Thompson
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Posted: 30th Aug 2006 09:51
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The way most web developers (that I know) work is they develop the page in Firefox and then hack it to work in IE.

If you use FireFox, there are thousands of plugins - one of the ones I like for development is IEView. Allows an IE Rendered view of a page in a Firefox tab. Very usefull for compatibility testing!

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indi
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Posted: 30th Aug 2006 10:34
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the plugin called "web developer" for firefux is GOLD mate!.

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OSX Using Happy Dude
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Posted: 30th Aug 2006 11:16
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IE 7 look pretty good, and could be better than Firefox.

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Posted: 30th Aug 2006 12:50
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But IE 7 pretty much has stolen Firefox's features and added more to keep IE popular...

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OSX Using Happy Dude
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Posted: 30th Aug 2006 12:58
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Precisely. Thats why it could be better than Firefox.

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Habatar
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Posted: 30th Aug 2006 13:05
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I only use IE when I go to a Microsoft Web Site.

Opera is very good, but have ads. And if you want to remove them, you must paid.

I use FireFox becase are easy, pretty, remember my passwords and usernames, is freeeeee.

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Nicholas Thompson
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Posted: 30th Aug 2006 13:22
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@indi - I use that too. That and ColorZilla (VERY usefull for designing the site).

IE7 just stole all the best bits from FF. The ONLY reason IE is and will always be popular is because microsoft have integrated it so heavily into windows you basically cant get rid of it. It'd be an entirely different story if Windows didn't come with a browser and users were forced to choose...
a) A crap and insecure browser like IE
b) a secure, extenable, themable, usefull browser like FF or pretty much any other browser.

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OSX Using Happy Dude
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Posted: 30th Aug 2006 13:24
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IE 7 should be pretty secure now. Themes have no interest for me, so thats not a good reason to keep Firefox.

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Posted: 30th Aug 2006 13:40
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Well, I'll compare IE7 and Firefox, if IE 7 uses less memory, I'll use it, if it uses more, I'll ditch it. Since memory is what my PC lacks. Being microsoft, it will proberly be cluttered with ram hungry features and interface making it slow for me.

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_Nemesis_
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Posted: 30th Aug 2006 14:54
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*Covers head*
I actually use IE7 more than FF now (though I wouldn't touch IE6).
For me, it's faster than Firefox and doesn't give me any problems at all, unlike Firefox. Never had it crash, looks nicer, loads faster.. at the moment I feel it's far better than FF.

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David iz cool
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Posted: 30th Aug 2006 15:51
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i use ie 7,the only problem i have with it is,it wont remember passwords.i think its so secure now,it wont allow login info to be kept in its memory or whatever.

id like to keep using ie7,does anyone know how to make it keep passwords,login info??
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Jeku
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Posted: 30th Aug 2006 18:25
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Quote: "But IE 7 pretty much has stolen Firefox's features and added more to keep IE popular..."


Well can you even name 1 original FF feature? That's not really a winning argument


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Roxas
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Posted: 30th Aug 2006 19:46
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Opera and Firefox.. I'm using still opera though.

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Megaton Cat
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Posted: 30th Aug 2006 20:04
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I'm a Firefoxer.

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Posted: 30th Aug 2006 20:28
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Quote: "Well can you even name 1 original FF feature? That's not really a winning argument"


Probaly not, but I'm young and stupid and probaly would...but am sensible when lazy...I'm lazy right now...

Hows this for one...the logo design? Or The name...?

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Alquerian
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Posted: 30th Aug 2006 20:35
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I use firefox, except when I need to go to some microsoft sites. I think Windows update and a few others wont work with ANYTHING but IE. Talk about Microsoft trying to corner the market, Firefox is completely capable of going there, however M$FT has decided to make those sites only available to people who use their products.

http://update.microsoft.com/windowsupdate/v6/thanks.aspx?ln=en&&thankspage=5

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_Nemesis_
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Posted: 30th Aug 2006 20:43
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Quote: "Firefox is completely capable of going there, however M$FT has decided to make those sites only available to people who use their products."

That's wrong, it uses an activex plugin - which is not supported in anything apart from Internet Explorer besides the use of an extension.

There is a Windows Update utility that someone has designed that works with firefox if you really can't be bothered switching browsers, called WindizUpdate: http://windowsupdate.62nds.com/

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QuothTheRaven
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Posted: 30th Aug 2006 20:58 Edited at: 30th Aug 2006 21:00
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Quote: "Opera is very good, but have ads. And if you want to remove them, you must paid."

You're a dirty liar and you're very behind the times.

Opera is far superior to Firefox (tests have even proven it). Actually even IE is faster than FF, and less buggy (but less secure). Opera is a little more confusing than FF because it has many more features that take some getting used to. Opera does things like automatically handles torrents and has a built in mail client, all in one system so it's very organized. FF is the simple version of Opera if you just wanted tabbed browsing, but if you in fact want the "better" browser go straight to Opera.

edit: Opera is also by far the most secure browser avaliable

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Alquerian
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Posted: 30th Aug 2006 21:03 Edited at: 30th Aug 2006 21:09
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You can download and install an 'unsupported' activex plugin which allows you to use activex within firefox. Even with this plugin, microsoft will not allow you to get on the site. It is not a matter of whether you have activex or not, it is a matter of Microsoft closing those sites off to specified browsers (which also must be activex capable). I was not stating that you could in no way acquire updates using another browser because they are in some way inferior, I was stating that microsoft has once again welded the hood shut on the most commonly used vehicle in the world.

[Edit] Just a note, the majority of security threats come through activex technology. That is why most mozilla based browsers do not wish to support it. Many however, support an older netscape based plugin which offers many of the same features as activex without all of the security issues. I think Opera offers this as well.

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Benjamin
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Quote: "edit: Opera is also by far the most secure browser avaliable"

Well I guess people don't try to find flaws in browsers that are hardly used by anyone... .

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Posted: 30th Aug 2006 21:18
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Opera is cool, but I don't use it.

Plus, how much longer is IE 7 going to install? It doesn't help when it has no progress bar, but just a block going back and forth, its annoying. I need a progress bar!!!

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QuothTheRaven
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Posted: 30th Aug 2006 21:22
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Quote: "Well I guess people don't try to find flaws in browsers that are hardly used by anyone..."

That's true, and I think you just enforced my point, which is what the OP is looking for.

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Posted: 30th Aug 2006 21:55
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Actually IE 7 is alright, faster, lets hope it keeps the crap away.

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Jeku
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Posted: 30th Aug 2006 22:39
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Fat chance--- give it a few days


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SirFire
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In Firefox there is an option to change the browser's identity to report back to websites that it is IE.

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Phaelax
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Posted: 31st Aug 2006 09:29
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I use IE mainly, Safari second, then FF for those sites that people have made to only work with FF.

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Quote: "Fat chance--- give it a few days"


I will, none of my AV or Firewall stuff has detected anything and well I'll do a spyware scan in a few days to see if its picked anything up, well I get tonnes of spyware anyway when using Firefox soo...

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indi
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Posted: 31st Aug 2006 15:55 Edited at: 31st Aug 2006 17:22
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we dev for firefux at work then !important hack around IE.
my div templates work with everything except IE5.2 MAC with the background images in some tags.

also something regarding safari

apple 1 2 3 4 5 etc will load the page accordingly to the items within your bookmarks bar

TGC is apple 6 for me

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NeX the Fairly Fast Ferret
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http://www.ie7.com/
Still going, I see.


Since the other one was scaring you guys so much...
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OSX Using Happy Dude
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So it is

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Benjamin
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Posted: 31st Aug 2006 18:06 Edited at: 31st Aug 2006 18:09
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Strange but I don't THINK the letters "IE" stand for "Firefox". I may be mistaken, however. The site owner obviously has issues.

Stupid fanboys, all the time. It's almost enough reason to not use Firefox.

(Edited to make a sentence make sense)

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Posted: 31st Aug 2006 18:08 Edited at: 31st Aug 2006 21:47
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Come on now, they're probably just having a little fun

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I'm a fireeeestarrrrttterrrr, wiickkked firreestartahhhhhhh


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Phaelax
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Browzar. creates no cache or history. i think it uses IE for the engine though, like Neoplanet did. It might just be me, but it seems to load webapges a lot faster than IE.

less than 300kb download for the program, not an install file. Starts up immediately, unlike FF which takes an hour to load up.
http://www.browzar.com/download/index.html

I take it all back, is sloooow. Not at loading, but at drawing its friggin interface. Moving the window or resizing is like running XP with 64mb ram.

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I just downloaded browzar, nothing special about it, it is pretty fast, even to load, for movement/interface drawing I don't know what your problem is, it runs fine for me, and I'm not very good friends with my ram, he stole my imaginary girlfriend.

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Phaelax
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i think it was an isolated problem, explorer was using 40% of resources for whatever reason while I was running it.

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