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Jeku
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Posted: 19th Sep 2006 07:20
CR got me interested in SONAR Cakewalk Home Studio 4 XL, and I've been reading up on it, but there aren't any decent reviews. I can get it for around $160US, which I think is a great deal for the software.

Does anyone have experience with this? Pros and cons? Do I *need* a special soundcard for it? I've been using Reason since around 2001, and I'd like to get into some fancier more powerful music software.

http://www.cakewalk.com/products/HomeStudio/XL.asp

Thanks!

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Posted: 19th Sep 2006 07:22
Wish I could help good luck

Torsten Sorensen
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Posted: 19th Sep 2006 07:42 Edited at: 19th Sep 2006 07:44
I personally don't like the sound of midi, unless your sampling your own audio and putting it through cakewalk, its great. If you play guitar, you could get riffworks and it puts drums and other effects with your guitar audio. I've used cakewalk, and its a very good tool, I just don't like the sond of music you make in it.

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Posted: 19th Sep 2006 08:02
Well, the sound quality of MIDI is mostly about the synth it is using. If you take CakeWalk, or Voyetra Digital Orchestrator, or any one that allows the card to be used in THRU-MIDI, you can hang a synthesizer off the soundcard, and play the MIDI through that. Plus, most high end sound cards have better synth emulators, IMO.

Voyetra comes with some MIDI files that are quite nice, including ALOT of drum packs. Sure, it sounds canned on some cards, but through a midrange Casio or Yamaha...it is much better.

BTW, MIDI has some tools built-in to avoid the mechanical sound, it is much like programming. Professionals take more time, get better results.

Jeku, that has always been the case in more serious audio circles...the home versions are almost completely ignored. Its a shame, too because those two programs are serious multi-track recorders, mixers, DSPs, etc. Just the ticket for those of us with shallow pockets.
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Posted: 19th Sep 2006 08:10
My brother used to use it for professional music recording, but he switched to Cubase and Wavelab. I assume those 2 are better for what he needs to do, but he used Sonar for quite some time.

Actually, I just talked to him. He says that Cubase is awesome for recording and stuff, and its also excellent for Midi and Synth stuff, but he says alot of people prefer Sonar for Midi and Synth.

Quote: " Do I *need* a special soundcard for it?"


No, nothing specific, just a fairly decent one. Not sure what exactly would be best though.

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Posted: 19th Sep 2006 09:04
Thanks for the info!

@Agent Dink - Yes, my decision is between Cakewalk Home Studio 4 and a similar version of Cubase. Cubase has less niceties, but if it has more features then that's all that matters.

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Posted: 19th Sep 2006 13:28
I personally used Logic Audio, up to the day Apple bought Emagic. Buying new audio hardware for a Mac appeared to be too expensive so I had to look out for another audio sequencer.

I never liked Cubase a lot so I purchased Sonar Producer Edition, which I got for less than $500. I personally miss Logic's environment features a lot, but Sonar has its advantages too. The Midi section has a lot of useful things, and the project handling is superb.

I don't know the differences between the Home Studio and the Studio/Producer Edition, but you should be able to keep your soundcard. It supports MME, ASIO and WDM drivers IIRC.


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Posted: 19th Sep 2006 15:18
Download the demos and see which one "clicks" with you. Nowadays, there's no big difference between the big DAWs out there other that interface and layout. Although, Cubase does have the annoying dongle thingee...


My opinion? For $160 USD, just do it man!


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Posted: 19th Sep 2006 15:42 Edited at: 19th Sep 2006 15:48
Jeku, yes I would recommend Cakewalk SONAR Home Studio, but I chose it for my specific needs. I wanted mainly a digital track recording studio where I could line in my v-drums, guitars, bass etc and do tracks, apply nice mixing/editing/mastering etc, so sonar was perfect for this. Sonar also does full midi composition, and looping etc, so its a complete package and is a great deal for its price. I havent messed with other packages so I can't say anything in comparison, so it pretty much comes down to which package describes the features you need and what you want to spend, and reviews of comparisons (on the web or in trade mags etc). My advice is research as much as you can before dropping the dosh.

Good luck.
If you have any sonar specific questions I can answer them, in the context of audio/tracking, I've not messed with the midi aspects yet.

Quote: "Do I *need* a special soundcard for it? "

not really, I have an sb live (which is considered shite by the music community and rightly so) but as long as you have a decent sound card that can line in and do midi you should be fine. They do sell all sorts of cool gadgets/sound cards, depending on what you want to do. I especially like the idea of the M-Audio sound cards, that have multiple inputs where you can simultaneously record different input connections onto different tracks. This is great for drum recording - but I dont have a card like that yet. There's all sorts of cool gadgets out there but I am just looking atm, not ready to purchase any new hw yet. If anything i'd first pick up a Tama Iron Cobra double-bass pedal for my roalnd kit Then worry about other stuff.

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Posted: 19th Sep 2006 18:48
Quote: "If anything i'd first pick up a Tama Iron Cobra double-bass pedal for my roalnd kit "

NO! you wouldn't without sending me one first right?

i am officially jealous of your v-drum kit btw...

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Posted: 19th Sep 2006 19:13
Quote: "i am officially jealous of your v-drum kit btw..."

sorry. the td-12 kit is kinda rockzor if I do say so myself
my only complaint would be the hihat system. it uses a single floating top hat plate, without the bottom hihat cymbal like on a real hihat or on the td-20 grandaddy kit. Its really tricky to find the correct pedal position, for different parts of songs that require slightly open hihats etc without the visual cue that the two cymbals would provide. Also the Crash trigger I added on when I bought the kit is mistriggering on occassion, but I think I broke it because when I set it up I didnt configure it for the model number, which can cause it sound too low, or mistrigger. My rememdy at the time was to smack the sh*t out of it when playing I then read that obscure paragraph in the manual about adding addition cymbal triggers and "be sure to configure them in the td-12 with their correct model number"...

anyway, sorry for the babble. the kit is top stuff, my playing... thats another story.

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Posted: 19th Sep 2006 20:21 Edited at: 19th Sep 2006 20:23
Thanks for the info, guys!

The other problem I have is now that I use a new laptop, the MIDI port was deemed legacy and it's nowhere to be found So now I have to shell out for either a MIDI-2-USB convertor (if they exist) or a MIDI PCMCIA card. I used to have my Yamaha PR-530 keyboard hooked up to my old desktop for Reason-- it was the bees knees. But now I'm looking for a way to also record digital audio through a line in, instead of MIDI-only (Reason).

Cakewalk can combine the 2, which is really cool!

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Posted: 19th Sep 2006 20:30
Look at all you musician dudages with your fancy software! I didn't know so many people dabbbled with music. It'd be cool to hear a few of your creations at some point.


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http://www.jeku.com/audio

There's some finished and some unfinished ones there.

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Posted: 21st Sep 2006 01:06 Edited at: 21st Sep 2006 01:06
Isnt Cake walk that Ripper(conversion) stuff?

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Posted: 21st Sep 2006 01:29
I use Cakewalk and like it a lot. As for midi quality, I either output it through my piano, that has midi hookups, or I use a nice free program called Synthfont. This allows you to play midi's using soundfonts (.sf2 files), and can greatly improve the sound quality you get with the right soundfonts.

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Posted: 21st Sep 2006 01:59 Edited at: 21st Sep 2006 02:00
Quote: "without the bottom hihat cymbal "

yeah, i was looking at it when you first announced it here, and that was what looked like a pain...

but hey! it's looks like it'd still be great for recording or practice (the ability to practice with headphones, and mix in music if you want is pretty usefull)... i can't stand it when people use V-drums at live events though... like a wedding i was at recently, drove me crazy because they had a band playing at the reception the entire time with cheapo v-drums...

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Posted: 21st Sep 2006 02:47
Quote: "Cakewalk can combine the 2, which is really cool!"

Actually, Reason is the only commerical DAW that doesn't do audio tracks. Although I heard a rumour that we might just might be getting audio support in u3.5...


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Posted: 21st Sep 2006 10:30
Okay, I took the plunge and ordered it from a local music store here. It should arrive next week!

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Posted: 21st Sep 2006 15:36
Jeku,
CW Sonar 4 hs?

Peter_,
Yeah, the low end models sound shite - these rule (td-12, virtual hardware just like the td-20)

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Posted: 21st Sep 2006 20:52
Yah, but here they removed the word SONAR from the name

Cakewalk 4 Home Studio XL

I got a sweet deal through where I work, so that just tipped me over the edge But the guy tried to upsell me a MIDI 2 USB convertor for $40--- isn't that a bit pricey???

I think I need to take a look on Ebay

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Posted: 22nd Sep 2006 09:03
Project5 > Sonar; Cakewalk++

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Posted: 22nd Sep 2006 22:53
No kidding--- Project5 is twice as expensive

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Posted: 23rd Sep 2006 16:35
and they're up to sonar 6
I keep getting the email offers
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