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PAGAN_old
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Posted: 20th Sep 2006 02:54
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after a few friends persuaded me into trying c++ (a few other friends warned e against it)

i decided to give it a try. i worked with visual basic a little so i know about text boxes and labels and stuff.

i know i am being suisiadal with my lack of skills but, how can i start on something simple and fun to do. like simple 2d stuff, moving /altering a 2d image (if thats simple)

any good tutorials for this out there?

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PAGAN_old
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Posted: 20th Sep 2006 03:12
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i am looking at google right now

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jinzai
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Posted: 20th Sep 2006 03:40
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WOW...you are a masochist, right? Nothing like learning two really complex things at once...you sound like me.

Seriously..."C++ Primer Plus" is a great book to learn from, or defend yourself with...plus...O'Reilly books are XLNT.
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PAGAN_old
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Posted: 20th Sep 2006 03:57
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well, doing 2d stuff cant really be all that hard.

i just need to start off with something simple and fun and ill learn my way from there by doing it.making it more complex as i go along. thats how i learnd most things.

btw, some of the people in my programming class say that c++ can easily destroy your os or fry your computer if you dont know what you are doing. (but i dont think you are able do anything including frying a computer if you dont know what you are doing)

my other friends say you need to know the way c++ interacts with hardware and be a complete dumbass to do that.

he also told me the only way to do that is to have c++ screw with the hardware (which i shouldnt do)

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jinzai
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Posted: 20th Sep 2006 06:49 Edited at: 20th Sep 2006 07:05
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some folks say cucumbers taste better pickled.

No...C++ does not "interact with hardware". In a Windows system...hardware access is restricted to the type of application, not the language it is written in. This is a misconception of people that do not have an in-depth knowledge of computers and computer languages.

You must be very diligent in setting up a project for direct access to hardware....you cannot really do it "accidentally". It is possible in 16 bit Windows....using C inp and outp access hardware directly. (So you know where the myth comes from.)

BTW, you can also damage your system with a hammer, if you misuse it.
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Jeku
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Posted: 20th Sep 2006 07:57 Edited at: 20th Sep 2006 07:57
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Quote: "well, doing 2d stuff cant really be all that hard."


Um, 2D stuff is difficult to do if you don't know C++ at all


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Posted: 20th Sep 2006 10:32
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You shouldn't just jump in at the deep end of c++. C++ is very different from visual basic. Start with simple stuff, learning the basics of the language and going from there.

I recommend some sort of C++ in 24 hours. Or even Beginning C++ Game Programming ISBN 1-59200-205-6. That book won't teach you 3d programming but just the basics of the language and how it can work for programming games.

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jinzai
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Posted: 21st Sep 2006 02:28
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The "Teach Yourself {x} in 24 Hours" was originally from Howard Sams Books out of Indianapolis. The titles threw me off at first, but I have used several of them. Sams books are great how-tos with useable examples. I have looked at the book mentioned...it looks like a good book.

I am not sure where the shallow end is...unless you use alot of C, but C++ is still pretty deep. Within the context of game programming...it would seem more natural, I would hope.
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Venge
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yea man, lol ive just started 2d programming for c++...
here's the books i used (not saying you have to use these)

Teach Yourself C++ in 21 days (or 24 hours, but 21 days goes more in depth)

Beginning C++ Game Programming (a lot like 24 hour book, but more game-oriented)

Beginning Game Programming (the on i'm on now)

they have a good structure so its easy to learn step by step, but the one im reading now has a pretty steep learning curve (but i hear directx is steeper?)

learn the basics first lol, it takes a lot longer than dark basic.

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PAGAN_old
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Posted: 22nd Sep 2006 06:02
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well the reason i want to start off with games is because game programming is fun unlike a lot of other programming.

if i want to learn a language i want it t be fun otherwise i loose interest in programming.

but yes, i relly should learn a lot of basic stuff. i still have trouble understanding functions and variables, i am very confused with strings dont even know what booleans are (even though all of thi was explained to me multiple times)

but i really love dark basic programming. if i start doing it, i get addicted.

this year i started visual basic which is REALLY awsome. and its much easier to code but i am still not used to coding in VB.

When i think about the program i sometimes an visualise the code very well, but when i get to the coding part i am blanked out and dont know what to do.

But thanks for the book sugestions, ill check them out.

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jinzai
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Posted: 22nd Sep 2006 06:52
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booleans are switches...on and off. like a light.

Visualization is a great technique for just about anything.

Yes, you are motivated, and that helps. I learned programming within the context of electronics, data aquisition, and astronomy. I only took trig in high school. That was 25 years ago, and how was I expected to learn trig with Kathy Henry sitting right in front of me?

Okay then, have at it!
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