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David T
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Posted: 21st Sep 2006 22:41
Just wondering if anyubody is applying to university right now and how it's going? I'm sending off my UCAS stuff tomorrow - and I'm glad it's gone. The personal statement was a nightmare.

I'm applying to stufy CompSci at Cambridge, Warwick, York, Bath and Manchester.

Anybody else going through the motions atm?

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Posted: 21st Sep 2006 23:08
I'm still looking and considering colleges, but I think I like The Art Institute Of Pittsburgh... I'd like to start next fall.

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When I applied, several years ago, I wrote my personal statement in rhyming couplets. But I'm a bit strange like that, but I got my first choice.

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Posted: 21st Sep 2006 23:46
So which are you guys gonna go in terms of paying for all this fun education?

I'm still spit whether to move closer to my college or save money and commute.

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Posted: 22nd Sep 2006 00:02
So what does phuck cough mean? I see it, and I don't get it...


Anyway, I haven't start applying yet, we've only just started with the 'Convince everybody to go to uni' lectures you get.

Well anyway, I'll be doing Creative Writing, or a Maj/Mi in Creative Writing/Philosophy depending on the universities that do them. I'll be applying for Derby, Hatfield, De Monfort, Chichester, Northhampton (Although my nearest uni apart from Cambridge, I think I'm gonna make Northampton my last resort, from what I've heard) As for applying for Cambridge or Oxford, not getting the right grades and neither do me courses. Shame really, I'd love to bully DavidT for his lunch money

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Quote: "So which are you guys gonna go in terms of paying for all this fun education?"


The UK govt locks fees at around £3000 a year, and we only pay it back once we're in full time employment. I'm undecided whether it's a good idea or not.

Quote: "Shame really, I'd love to bully DavidT for his lunch money "


Hahaha!

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Posted: 22nd Sep 2006 01:12
What on earth is a personal statement? Do you mean its the sort of thing that MPs have to deliver in the house when they've been publicly exposed on the front page of the Sun? "Mister Speaker, it is with deep regret that I must apologise to my colleagues and this house, and announce my resignation from the government due to the .... "

When I applied to University, in 1992, when the dinosaurs roamed the earth, the UCAS form was exactly two pages long. All you had to do was write the name of five universities and sign your name. In case you were an idiot, there was a nice big box saying "sign your name here" presumably because it was felt that university undergraduates were remedial.

I picked Cambridge because my Headmaster told me to do so. I should have picked Oxford. Anyway, I had a statistically improbable experience at the interview in Cambridge and died on my feet. I have a comic story about this if anyone ever wants to hear it.

I picked Durham because it was northern, far enough away from my parents to stop them visiting me but close enough to take my dirty laundry back home to be cleaned (he he) and because its a top 3 UK university for law. I also liked the snooker table, the great view of the Cathedral and the fact that all our nuclear power stations were just over the border in Scotland (if you want to know why, the answer lies in the fact that their locations were chosen by an Englishman).

Oh and I picked three other places that I don't even remember.

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Posted: 22nd Sep 2006 01:22 Edited at: 22nd Sep 2006 01:27
I'm working on applications to Penn State University Hazelton, Temple University, and East Stroudsburg University myself. I have no doubts I'll be accepted into at least one of those three, though I admit I haven't looked into much financial aid.

Though some Chestnut Hill College has been offering me a $12k/year scholarship to go to their joke of a campus, and only one of the majors I'm interested in (Computer Science and Electrical Engineering). Past the $12k/year, it costs another $18k/year, so it's not worth it at all.

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Yea I got to start doing that soon myself. I'll probably go to a community college first though. No sense in spending top dollar for a class at a university when you can pay a lower price for the same class at a community college and transfer over. Plus it's closer to home.

You guys in the U.K. have a community college?
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Posted: 22nd Sep 2006 18:55
I went through all that a year ago, i'm just starting my course at Edinburgh University (computer science with physics).
i picked edinburgh because:
a) it's in scotland so i don't have to pay tuition fees
b)it's near enough home to run back for washing/food or whatever
c)it has one of, if not, the best computing facilities and computing teaching in the uk

Oxbridge is a bit far for me, plus it's expensive and i couldn't be bothered getting my ucas application in earlier than i had too.

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I bit late for applying isn´t it? Here I had to apply in July. I asked for telecomunications in Granada as my first option. I´m glad I got it. It has a higher percentage of female members than the other IT courses. Almost 50%!

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Posted: 22nd Sep 2006 22:08
Quote: "The UK govt locks fees at around £3000 a year,"


But some Uni's do it for less, like Northampton do it £2500 a year.

Although we pay a lot for uni, as the £3k a year is only tuition fees, theres living expenses, accomodation and books etc. Which you get a student loan, which you only have to start paying back when you're earning a salary of £17k or more, and even then you pay little a month. However they don't really give you enough to live buy on the loans, so I'm gonna take a GAP year, but I still can apply though, supposedly.

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Posted: 22nd Sep 2006 22:11
I'm curious about the tuition fees. Do you have to pay them all at once at the start of the year, or can you make small payments? The highest a student loan will go here is $350/week, which may be enough to live on, but might not pull through if you gotta pay tuition fees too. (Unless you can pay them bit by bit)

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Quote: "I'm curious about the tuition fees. Do you have to pay them all at once at the start of the year, or can you make small payments? The highest a student loan will go here is $350/week, which may be enough to live on, but might not pull through if you gotta pay tuition fees too. (Unless you can pay them bit by bit)"


You pay them back £5 a week when you start to earn over £25,000 a year and are in employment.

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What you do is, you get the student loan, lets say they give you £15,000, you pay your tuition fees with it and anyother uni related costs, then once you are earning £17k a year then you start paying it back monthly as little bits.

Well thats how it is over here in the UK. Good system, but I hate the idea of owing money, plus uni prices are rising...

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Posted: 22nd Sep 2006 22:49 Edited at: 22nd Sep 2006 22:51
They actually drop £15,000 into your bank account upfront? Here they just make deposits and tell you to cover whatever you need. Good thing I'm in college, but some of the folks in the higher priced uni's are having a tough time.

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Posted: 22nd Sep 2006 23:33 Edited at: 22nd Sep 2006 23:34
Quote: "They actually drop £15,000 into your bank account upfront?"


nope, you just get an application number (which can somehow have letters in it...) then you give that number to the university, they then take the amount that's there waiting for them...

and hopefully the LEAs get all the loans processed quicker next year, otherwise people will be like me: starting without that number.

The Maintenance Grant does get paid straight into your account because you can spend that how you please (but it's supposed to be for things like books). There's no fixed amount for that, and it's a seperate application entirely, and again, the LEAs are being slow on processing these! Got to wonder what they do all day...
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I like the system in Spain. My brother in England costs a fortune in comparison.
Here, for the first few years or if your lucky during the whole course you can get a grant to pay the tuition fees (well most of it, I still had to pay 75€ )and they give you 2500€-4500€ to live off. My brother in comparison has to pay 3000 pounds for the course and all they give him is a 2% loan. Time to get a serious job me thinks.

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Posted: 23rd Sep 2006 00:13 Edited at: 23rd Sep 2006 00:19
Also, even though you're 18 or older when you apply, are you guys required to have your parent's signature on the funding application?

That seems to be the case here, which is abit stupid since 18 is "adult". That means you're still bound to your parents if you want to move out? (Assuming they don't want you to)

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Hmm - I know I needed one, if I still had the form I'd see, but there are many circumstances where under-25's do not a parental signature, but I don't know them off-hand, I think the main one is not living with parents anymore (or in the halls)
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Yes, here your parents play a large role in student loan permission.

If you are not an adult and your parents make over a certain amount, they will not give you a student loan regardless of whether you live with them or not. Kinda sucks.

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im looking to go to uni abroad, hence i dont have to bother with the UCAS crap. im looking to either go to toronto, canada or tilburg in holland.

(if anyone in a position to give information could do so, would be appreciated, ty)
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Posted: 23rd Sep 2006 02:52 Edited at: 23rd Sep 2006 02:52
Quote: "I think the main one is not living with parents anymore (or in the halls)"


So you can't be living with your parents, and apparantly you're not of age...does this mean you have to be a complete hobo to apply for a student loan?

@Jeku: The reason I ask is because relations with my folks over college issues is very shaky at the moment, and there might be a good chance that I will simply HAVE to move out while attending school with or without their permission. Is there really no way to get around this with the government, even if I temporarly move into a friend's place and claim I've been booted out of my place by my parents? (It's legal for them to do that here once the kid is 18)

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@Megaton - Basically you're screwed if your parents make X dollars, regardless of whether you live with them or not. I know this firsthand from friends who lived in apartments, fully supporting themselves and going to school who got refused for student loans.

Of course, it doesn't hurt to try--- plus and you could always try to get some nifty grants (i.e. free money). That's always good!

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Posted: 23rd Sep 2006 04:59
Quote: "When I applied, several years ago, I wrote my personal statement in rhyming couplets. But I'm a bit strange like that, but I got my first choice."


Makes sense, it'd be a good way to make yourself stand out from the crowd, and when you're competing with so many other applicants, that's never a bad thing.


Quote: "The UK govt locks fees at around £3000 a year, and we only pay it back once we're in full time employment. I'm undecided whether it's a good idea or not."


That's essentially what they do here as well, I'm guessing probably about 85% of our citizens take that option (it's unavailable to foreign students). I can definitely see why it's a very good idea for a lot of people. Although, personally, I pay myself on a semester-by-semester basis to get a 20% discount on all fees (and the peace of mind of being debt-free), something I can easily afford with my part-time job (I make almost twice my Uni fees per year). I'm guessing the situation over there must be somewhat different, because most people here have part-time jobs in High School and could probably afford to pay their fees, albeit, they usually still take the loan anyway.


Quote: "Also, even though you're 18 or older when you apply, are you guys required to have your parent's signature on the funding application?

That seems to be the case here, which is abit stupid since 18 is "adult". That means you're still bound to your parents if you want to move out? (Assuming they don't want you to)"


I'd imagine that would be so the parents act as a guarantor. I.e. If you can't pay the loan back (god forbid why), your parents will have to. It's the same deal with house/car loans, I believe.


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Posted: 23rd Sep 2006 11:39
Quote: "When I applied, several years ago, I wrote my personal statement in rhyming couplets. But I'm a bit strange like that, but I got my first choice."


Brilliant idea, I think I'll fancify (not a real word) my Personal Statement, as I'm going for a creative writing course, why not be creative?

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Mwahahaha. When I went to Uni (1991) they paid *you* something like £3000 a year (assuming your parents weren't well off) that you never had to pay back. And no tuition fees either. Tops. And books? Smooks more like. Thats what libraries are there for Although £3000 isn't that much beer money really...

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Posted: 23rd Sep 2006 14:46 Edited at: 23rd Sep 2006 14:48
Well I say its a good system in the sense we get money and when we have to pay back its not going to be a stake up the arse. If it were good enough, I wouldn't need to be considering taking a GAP year to get money so I can live in the area and survive with little worries so I can study basicly, but once I leave uni I'm coming straight back home till I'm 40 (Especially with the amount house prices keep going up, our house was worth £50k ten years ago, now its worth £200k, most similar type houses are the same)

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Quote: "but once I leave uni I'm coming straight back home till I'm 40"


Haha - The 40 year old virign.


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Quote: "our house was worth £50k ten years ago, now its worth £200k"
Yeah, I know. (Mwahahaah 2). Apart from the whole less-life-remaining bit, going to Uni and getting an IT job/ buying a house 10-15 years ago was a whole lot better than now.

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Quote: "Haha - The 40 year old virign."


Who says anything about not ever having sex?

Quote: "buying a house 10-15 years ago was a whole lot better than now."


It is a pain really, I mean the statistics are that less and less people are leaving home young, heck my Mum's friend's son is 29 and still living at home because houses are far too expensive. I mean I was watching some program where a gay couple in london were able to sell their flat, not a house, just their part of the flat for £700k, okay its in the middle of London, but for a flat thats still a lot. And on another show, some run down houses were auctioned at an average of £150k. So I'm gonna try buying a home in the country side away from london, much cheaper.

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Quote: "So I'm gonna try buying a home in the country side away from london, much cheaper."


Not if it's a decent bit of countryside.

For example, Dorset, where I live, is pretty expensive. Especially this place Sandbanks which is the most expensive place to live in the world I think.

Kent probably isn't that expensive, but then you have to seriously consider living in the same county as Maidstone.

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Quote: "a) it's in scotland so i don't have to pay tuition fees"

Aherm and the taxes what about the taxes.
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Quote: "ust wondering if anyubody is applying to university right now and how it's going? I'm sending off my UCAS stuff tomorrow - and I'm glad it's gone. The personal statement was a nightmare."

Uhhhm maybe you should take an Grammar Class instead
No I bet if you actually took your time to write this
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Quote: "Aherm and the taxes what about the taxes"
Taxes, what taxes? The UK loves unemployed people basically. They don't love students quite so much as in the past, but hell, they are still dramatically better off than most of the world when it comes to college. Just not as well off as when I was at college

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Quote: "Who says anything about not ever having sex?"


Unless your name is Matthew McConaughey you won't be seeing a lot of action if you live with your parent's. Fact.

When you're in your early 20's, it's ok, you can kind of sneak around the house. When you're in your late 20s and 30s, it's just weird. Hehehe.

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Quote: "Kent probably isn't that expensive, but then you have to seriously consider living in the same county as Maidstone."


You'd be surpised, my family is from Kent, although some parts are a dump and others are nice, houses aren't that much cheap, I don't know what maidstone is like, but my mum went to school there, so it can't be all that bad.

Quote: "it's just weird. "

If you were to meet me and my family, you would have to change your definition of weird

Quote: "Uhhhm maybe you should take an Grammar Class instead
No I bet if you actually took your time to write this
you wouldnt spenn anyubondy like that"


Take your own advice, anyubondy? Sorry but its not only your grammar that is problem. I don't like it when people pick each other up on their spelling or grammar, but you did it when not in the position to do so, so I guess I can pick you up on yours.

Quote: "Not if it's a decent bit of countryside.
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True true, but most of the ones I've been seeing on those TV shows where people sell and buy houses, do them up etc. the countryside ones seem to go for great value, a small house in sussex rented would be great if I were going to uni at Chichester, a nice place to start living.

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Quote: "You'd be surpised, my family is from Kent, although some parts are a dump "

Yes, stay away from Margate.

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I have a friend in Folkestone. Apparently it's a dump too.

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Quote: "Who says anything about not ever having sex? "


Hookers don't count. That's the easy way out, and takes no work at all.

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Quote: "Yes, stay away from Margate."


I think my aunt and uncle would be offended if I did that, Clive's a scary looking guy and I'm sure he doesn't like chavs/gangsta's messin up da hood.

Quote: "Hookers don't count. That's the easy way out, and takes no work at all"


On sight of me the price is automatically multiplied and I'd have to work my arse off for that kind of cash, so thats a whole lot of work, I'd have more of a chance getting a blind girlfriend.

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Quote: "I think my aunt and uncle would be offended if I did that, Clive's a scary looking guy and I'm sure he doesn't like chavs/gangsta's messin up da hood."

Oh dear. So you know Margate then?

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Well to be honest I've never been, aunt and uncle usually come to us rather than us going to them, but I heard its pretty crap.

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Quote: "Well to be honest I've never been, aunt and uncle usually come to us rather than us going to them, but I heard its pretty crap."

Oh it really is, it's full of single-celled lifeforms such as chavs.

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Posted: 24th Sep 2006 20:10 Edited at: 24th Sep 2006 20:54
I'm sure it is, most dives in England are full of 'em.

As for universities, we passed the Anglia Ruskin uni in Cambridge today, perhaps I'll apply there as my first choice, being so close and as a teacher suggested it when informed of my desired course, so I assume it does it, I'll have to check.

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Yes, Anglia Ruskin is definately going to be my firsties, well I need to look at its reputation, but its got my course exactly as I like it and the tariff points are just right, the uni is in cambridge meaning easy and quick to get to, even on a daily basis. Also the course for Writing is great because its flexible unlike it is at other unis, you get to choose the areas you work in, whereas in other universities you only can do that in the final year. So I say awesomeness.

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