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Phaelax
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So I run the update to make sure I got the latest security pathes. The minute after I'm done "upgrading" zonealarm fails to work. Missing dll errors that I can see right in one of its subfolders. Its uninstall won't work, it doesn't show up in add/remove programs, and now whenever I try to open the folder to zonealarm Explorer crashes. And this all started immediately after patching windows from MS.

I can't even reinstall, I get this error:
"Setup is unable to log into the TrueVector service. Please use the service manager to shutdown the TrueVector service and restart the installer program."

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Posted: 25th Sep 2006 19:35 Edited at: 25th Sep 2006 19:35
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Patches will always be in Add/Remove - may need to tick the 'Show Updates' box

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Posted: 25th Sep 2006 19:41
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Phaelax, if you right click on my computer, click manage and you can look at the services installed and running there. Go and find the truevector service and turn it off, and you should be able to uninstall/reinstall.

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Posted: 25th Sep 2006 19:48
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I personally don't trust Windows Update, it gave my computer a nasty virus that meant a huge loss of files my mum really needed, my parents got really angry with me, but all I did was download the latest updates and reboot...Other thing I did that day, play with DBP, Anim8or (it was that far back ) and check TGC forum...and similar for the week.

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I never download MS updates. They slow down my system and flood it with the latest spyware and viruses. I once installed a Nvidia update through their site, and it downloaded 28 trojans with it. It totally killed my pc, depsite having anti-virus. Which is why I never bother with anti-virus or updates anymore. As long as you're careful, you don't need anti-virus. I have had this PC anti-virus free for a year now. Any missing files/system corruption/slowdown? No.


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Posted: 25th Sep 2006 20:01
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Quote: "I never download MS updates. They slow down my system and flood it with the latest spyware and viruses."


Excuse my bluntness here, but I'm going to cry 'bullshit' for the above (and similar) comments I've just read in this thread.

I have never *ever* seen or read about an official Microsoft Windows Update that had a recognised (or even 'brand new') virus in it. I have been following the IT industry news for nearly two decades now, and I know for a fact they would be ALL OVER Microsoft themselves actually releasing a known virus via their Update service. It would be something they'd never live down, heck I'd expect to even see legal action / court cases happen because of it.

I've seen viruses that *pretend* to be Windows Update, but that's another ballgame altogether.

I'll even go as far as to say I highly doubt any official Microsoft or NVIDIA release has ever been infected with a single piece of known malicious software.

That doesn't mean some Update might not have caused system stability issues, hell I'd believe that one in a flash - but an actual virus? No way. Spyware/Trojan? I don't buy it for a moment.

If you can find me some evidence of this (links to news items, whatever) I'll publically apologise for the 'bullshit' claim!

BTW for what it is worth - anyone running a PC without any anti-virus software is a liability, and deserves whatever they will (eventually) get.

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Posted: 25th Sep 2006 20:11
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I would give you evidence, but I reformatted after my computer went down the drain...
The update really messed up the graphics drivers; it ended up in 800x600 max res running in 256 colours.


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Posted: 25th Sep 2006 20:14
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That was probably the drivers itself. Also, if you havent used a virusscanner for over a year, how do you know your computer is virus free? They don't all wave their arms and call out to you saying that they're there

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Posted: 25th Sep 2006 20:21 Edited at: 25th Sep 2006 20:29
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How do I know?
A) My system works flawlessly, faster boot than any other I have been on.
B) With nothing going on, my CPU usage percentage is <1%. Can't be much other than windows running to get <1%
C) I haven't lost a single file, nor have I had dll errors. Not once.
D) I KNOW where I download from. I refuse to run a single EXE without putting it through another PC first.
E) The moment a process starts acting a bit weird, I check it on the net. Everything is A-OK.

Ammendment: I'll install Norton for you and update it, perform a system scan and send you the results if you want...


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Posted: 25th Sep 2006 20:35
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Quote: "I would give you evidence, but I reformatted after my computer went down the drain..."


Google for it. If an official Microsoft Update carried a virus, you wouldn't be the only person to have been hit. Find me some proof this has happened to someone else.

BTW a driver sticking in 800x600 res *isn't a virus*.

Quote: "I'll install Norton for you and update it, perform a system scan and send you the results if you want..."


Don't bother, Norton is one of the worst AV products out there.

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Posted: 25th Sep 2006 20:37 Edited at: 25th Sep 2006 20:38
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Quote: "I have never *ever* seen or read about an official Microsoft Windows Update that had a recognised (or even 'brand new') virus in it. I have been following the IT industry news for nearly two decades now, and I know for a fact they would be ALL OVER Microsoft themselves actually releasing a known virus via their Update service. It would be something they'd never live down, heck I'd expect to even see legal action / court cases happen because of it.

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Well, it happened, first no virus, after only doing the same repetitive tasks for the week, then after Windows Update, there is a virus. Whatever happened, I don't know, but what I do know is there above. I have no reason to come up with bullsh*t.

Quote: "Don't bother, Norton is one of the worst AV products out there."


ditto that, the problem with my comp after that one, was because Norton didn't do its job.

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Posted: 25th Sep 2006 20:40 Edited at: 25th Sep 2006 20:43
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It didn't JUST stick it in 800x600... I discovered 28 trojans that mysteriously appeared during the installation of the driver after reboot... the update was the first thing I did when I turned my PC on. I don't really have much of a reason to spread 8u115h!t myself...

Which anti-virus would you recommend? I was using Norton because it came with my motherboard. I also tried some other one with a K in its name, Kaporski or something.

I couldn't find much proof at all, only rumours on Google.


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Posted: 25th Sep 2006 20:51
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Quote: "Well, it happened, first no virus, after only doing the same repetitive tasks for the week, then after Windows Update, there is a virus."


Quote: "I discovered 28 trojans that mysteriously appeared during the installation of the driver after reboot"


I'm not denying something gave you both a virus, trojan, whatever. I'm just saying if it came from an official Windows Update there would be significant evidence of such an event through-out the entire media world. Do you not agree? Or were these issues created especially just for you?

Quote: "Which anti-virus would you recommend?"


The one with the smallest memory footprint, fastest execution, and best proven track record there is - NOD32 (www.eset.com)

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Posted: 25th Sep 2006 20:54
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Quote: "The update really messed up the graphics drivers; it ended up in 800x600 max res running in 256 colours."

Thats not a virus - probably either the graphics driver or some interference. Ages ago, a MS update used to knock out the AGP system - when it uninstalled, all was fine again.

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Posted: 25th Sep 2006 21:06 Edited at: 25th Sep 2006 21:11
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Quote: "I never download MS updates. They slow down my system and flood it with the latest spyware and viruses"

NO! thats all the dodgy porn and warez sites you visit.

ps - there's never a reason to update your vid drivers through ms update when they are available directly from the manufaturer websistes. This logic holds true for any driver on the system etc. I only use ms update for the critical win updates, and whichever optional updates I prefer to have. All else should be done manually as I mentioned above.

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Posted: 25th Sep 2006 21:35
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Quote: "I'm not denying something gave you both a virus, trojan, whatever. I'm just saying if it came from an official Windows Update there would be significant evidence of such an event through-out the entire media world. Do you not agree? Or were these issues created especially just for you?"


Fair enough, just thought you were accusing me of bullsh*tting. Personally I don't know much about viruses and getting them, if I were to call myself a computer geek I'd be a crap one . I'll just atick to game geek.

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Quote: "Phaelax, if you right click on my computer, click manage and you can look at the services installed and running there. Go and find the truevector service and turn it off, and you should be able to uninstall/reinstall."


I tried. The service isn't even running. If I try to manually start it, I get a missing dll error.


It's not the patches I'm trying to remove from add/remove but zonealarm which doesn't show up there.

I could manually delete the folder, but that wont remove the service from the list or anything else that's been done to the system elsewhere.


And MS doesn't send you virii, they just offer a user-installed trojan most call Windows.

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Just delete the folder and registry entries..

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How would I remove the service from the list? Or will it remove it on the next reboot when it can't find the program?

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Use MSCONFIG to disable the service if need be, or hunt for it in the registry. It may even be in the startup list (ie the registry startup list).

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Did I mention this was Windows 2000? And there is no msconfig nor can msconfig be used on it.

I'm going through the registry by hand now.

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Quote: "Did I mention this was Windows 2000?"

Nope

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lol

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Someday Apple will start applying Microsoft methods and you wont be laughing then

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lmao

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I was laughing when seeing the Microsoft advert talking about security and everything and how safe they make things, it made me laugh because the things keeping my computer safe is my AV and Firewall, not windows, if I were to go online naked, my computer would soon die.

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without my firewall running, im sticking to my mactop in the mean time.

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I agree about MS. The only documented virus I know of with MS products was a WORD MACRO that was installed with Office...in about 1997, or 1998. Something about France, and nuclear winter, as I recall...really easy to defeat with a better MACRO.

Aside from pornography...cracked programs and other copyright infringement is asking for trouble. I always update, and I have never had a virus on a personal machine, even when I did not run AV software.

@Seppuku Arts...well, that is not really MS's responsibility...anti-virus software. They have an on-going relationship with Symantec. I do disagree...XP has a great deal of security installed. I mean, look at how Windows Explorer has changed. Try logging on as a non-Admin, and do....well, anything. Finally, you can limit what others see on your machine, even what they can run.
@Phaelax...we all do it by hand sometimes...chin up.
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I personally think the people who write the AV software have a secret lab that develops viruses so you have to get their software

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Windows update sucks,i bought my windows with my dad,and the updater tells me i got an illegal version

luckely we fixed that one by adding the key a second time...


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Hobgoblin,

I heard (probably unreliably) a while back that Symantec managed to develop a virus which could (at the time) infect millions of Windows XP computers within a matter of an hour or somesuch.
Then they told MS the problem, and they patched it

Could just be an urban myth though

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Oh yea, well, when I was just a kid my virus crashed 1507 computers!

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Quote: "Did I mention this was Windows 2000? And there is no msconfig nor can msconfig be used on it."

ahhh the only bad thing about windows 2k
you could try downloading spybot... I think it has a thing like msconfig but it don't let you control service startup like it

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I know for sure MS-DOS 5.0 had a very bad network virus (Junkie), inbuilt in sys.com from an unpaid developer. Today this virus is a funny toy, but at these times it was pretty serious, although it did not affect or spread in stand-alone computers. Also the Word macro bug was pretty serious. And sometimes I suspected I downloaded some extra software (spyware) from their site lately although I have no proof.

So I just can say, keep your eyes open
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Quote: "I know for sure MS-DOS 5.0 had a very bad network virus (Junkie), inbuilt in sys.com from an unpaid developer."


Hmmmm... I call BS. I did a search for anything related to this, and found nothing, other than references to the junkie virus (which was not built into MS-DOS 5.0 through sys.com). Any links, proof?


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I second that call. That was in a pirated version...I am certain of that. I have DOS 5.0 and QuickBasic on 3.5 inch floppy. They still install after over 15 years, and no viruses.

The Word macro was not serious. All it did was mess up new documents for one day. It was lame. I wrote a virus killer macro for it on my lunch break and fixed 35 computers via network while I ate a meatball sub. I also sent it to MS.

DOS 5.0 has no network capability. Try net, which came with WFW 3.11
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Well, I've deleted every Zone Alarm file I could find on the system and any registry entries. The service no longer exists as a hard file nor is it listed in the services. Yet somehow, the install still says I need to stop the service before setup can continue. Aside from that, Explorer constantly crashes on me whenever I try to do anything remotely related to tracking down ZoneLab files. I got sick of it and said F*** this!

I figured the services installed from it weren't set for all users, and it turns out to be true. Logged in as Admin and installed just fine, for admin user anyway. And the system is running peachy under a fresh user. So I'll just delete the old user and recreate its profile from scratch. My next alternative was to try a recovery(unlikely to have fixed this particular issue) and finally reinstall Windows, which I haven't had to do in many years.

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You guys do realise that without a firewall or anti-virus for that matter a virus can download its self into your computer viruses are floating out there a firewall will keep most of em out but alot of the older viruses just "dial" IP's until they get one they can get into.

Atleast thats my understanding.

But im sure im wrong, as it is me

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UnderLord,

You're correct. And I'm sure that Phaelax isn't so naive as to not simply disconnect the computer in question from the net

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Quote: "I'm sure that Phaelax isn't so naive as to not simply disconnect the computer in question from the net"


Hey just because the guy can code dosnt mean he's smart, just means he's smarter then me

Haha actually im just kidding, but you never know.....

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Well actually, I was a tech support agent for DSL services. You get very familiar with networks after that, if you weren't already. I used to have Linksys router pages memorized, I've never owned a linksys.

And on that note, I didn't disconnect. Hmm, now the only thing that connects is AIM. My web browsers (IE, FF) won't access the net. Only a problem with my main account though, logged in as admin I don't have the problem. Norton also keeps blocking a trojan. (wish it would just delete the trojan)

There was a major storm today. A quick power outage lasting only but a second seems to have fried my router. I couldn't get it to broadcast the wireless and an hour later it stopped connecting with the modem. I couldn't even get the browser to see the router, even though the router was still showing activity with the blinky lights. Already reset the router multiple times, no luck. It was in a brand new surge protector, which was replacing yet another UPS that broke on me.

I've just about backed up everything I need, I'm just gonna wiped the drive clean and start over. I haven't had to install windows in 4 years. I think the last time I installed was with a Win2k beta cd.

At least my mactop hasn't failed me yet. *knock on wood*

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