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Geek Culture / New tune: Path of Ice

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Fallout
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Posted: 3rd Oct 2006 21:55
I decided to finish off a tune I've had in production for several months. It's probably a bit early for this, but its got wintery cold vibes. Basically a melodic, chill out, moody breakbeat track. Hope some people enjoy it.

Fallout - Path of Ice (MP3)




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Posted: 3rd Oct 2006 23:20
Nice and atmospheric. I like it, it has class. But, I dislike the pitched down vocals and I can't help but feel that the melody could be a bit more grungy... the first break takes a while to develop.

And really man, what's with panning that square bass over to the right? You of all people should know that vinyl can't handle stereo subs

Despite what I just said, I still like this track, it's on a level with Designed to Kill or Elemental. The thing that would really make this track shine would be some nice lofty female vocals, but those are understandably hard to come by


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Posted: 3rd Oct 2006 23:30
I quited liked it, very good for background music while working.

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Posted: 3rd Oct 2006 23:44
I thought it was pretty damn good, the last 40 or so seconds did not seem "up" to the rest of the track though. The first 40 or so seconds would be a great Sfx loop for an RPG.

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Posted: 4th Oct 2006 00:19
I love love love love love this song.

Fallout you rule man!

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Posted: 4th Oct 2006 01:35
@Hawkeye

I'm just lazy these days. The bass isn't panned right on purpose, but that's the "overall effect" of the stereo phase shifter. The right kinda became the dominant channel and I didn't really pay enough attention to sort it. I didn't listen to the track on headphones before releasing it, which normally throws up panning issues.

I'm a bit lazy with music production these days. I put most of the effort into the initial 8 patterns of hook and elements, then a little less effort into the arrangement, then a little less effort still into the transitions/effects, and then finally a complete half arsed effort at post production/final mixing.

On the subject of vocals, the melody at the 3:35 break down was originally a vocal melody. I basically laid that down and was gonna get someone to do vocals for it, but alas, I couldn't be arsed (again). I would've had to have written some decent lyrics to suit the theme without them being cheesey (hard) and then waited around for whoever I could get to do vocals to get them done. So it just became a mid section melody of 8 patterns.

I don't think it's really important though. If I do get the chance to release a tune for vinyl (which obviously doesnt happen often and the opportunity only arises for my dnb anyway), I put some effort into brushing up the final mix. For the average internet listener, the production quality is plenty good enough. I think if the average listener started picking me up on weird production issues, I'd have to make more of an effort. Your production points are noted and mostly agreed with though, but I personally like pitched down vocs and feel a more grungey melody would've detracted from the harsh but clean ice kinda theme.

@Megs, Hob and Drew

Cheers chaps. Glad you boys liked it. Which reminds me, must watch the new Milky Carton McPaton.


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Posted: 5th Oct 2006 00:30
Bumpcopter because this deserves more views.

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Posted: 5th Oct 2006 00:32 Edited at: 5th Oct 2006 00:33
If it's any consolation the final mix comes out as pretty top spec to musical noobs like me

Fallout man you should definately get a Myspace for your choons.

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Posted: 5th Oct 2006 01:16
Hey, I'm in the middle of rendering a video. 40 minutes to go, so why the hell not? MySpace is it! Boh boh boh ....

Thanks for the bumpcopter. I didn't know you had your pilots license.


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Posted: 5th Oct 2006 02:33
Let us know your URL when you do!

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Posted: 5th Oct 2006 02:37
What did you use to make that it sounds great.

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Posted: 5th Oct 2006 02:38
Pretty good song!! I like it. your work is always high quality fallout! cool



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Posted: 5th Oct 2006 13:57 Edited at: 5th Oct 2006 14:00
Thanks guys.

@Eureka Seven

I use Skale. It's crap. I wouldn't recommend it. But it's not really the software, it's more what you're most productive in. Reason and FLStudio etc. are far better options. I've just been using trackers for over 10 years, so that's why I write best in.


MySpace page is up at:
http://www.myspace.com/falloutbbt

Tunes have been processing for over 14 hours now and still not on the site. Man, it might be good for coverage, but MySpace is crap. It's about as user friendly as a barbed condom.


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Posted: 5th Oct 2006 14:31
Dude, nice hair


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Posted: 5th Oct 2006 14:41
It's all gone now dude. Can't be arsed with it. Shaving is the way to go.

... we are talking about my head, right?


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Posted: 6th Oct 2006 23:58 Edited at: 6th Oct 2006 23:58
Seeing as most people on here diss my rap tunes, I thought I'd hide this release on the end of this thread where only people who care about my tunes are likely to read it.

Finished this tonight. Been in production for about 1 month. Quite monotonous, but dark atmospheric rap tune. Unpleasant subject matter, but profanity free (woohoo!)

Fallout - Shiver (MP3)




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Posted: 7th Oct 2006 00:01
I liked it, although personally, I think it could be darker (atmosphere wise that is, maybe check into a stereo delay to really fill out the background space). Oh yeah, and pitchbend your voice down a couple of semis... it's too light and upbeat for my tastes.


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Posted: 7th Oct 2006 00:05 Edited at: 7th Oct 2006 00:22
Holy sh*t, Fallout started a MySpace. Day by day, more and more good people slip on their balls and give in to the power of the Trendwhoreâ„¢.



But anyway, that's enough emo talk. I'm checking out that new rap tune.

EDIT:

Good brew man! I definatly like your style. (Or maybe becasue I've never heard much UK rap in the first place and it all seems like funkay stuff to me)

Also, I know you do your own promotional artwork and logos and stuff, but my college folio wants some branding/packaging work along the lines of music albums. If you need something done, throw it my way so I can experiment with it. Looking through the vinyls you made, I would kill puppies to have photos of stuff like that in my portfolio. (Even though it's made by a hobbist, but no one needs to know that) Seeing one's graphic work on a tangible product is badass.

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Posted: 7th Oct 2006 00:11
Hawkeye, a lot of your feedback borders on taking the piss these days. You should probably refrain from listening to or commenting on my tracks.

@Megs! I didn't sell out for trend! Just Drew thought it'd be good for music coverage! I'm not a trend whore! I'm not! Honest!


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Posted: 7th Oct 2006 00:13 Edited at: 7th Oct 2006 00:18
Dude,
Quote: "I liked it"


!


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Posted: 7th Oct 2006 00:24 Edited at: 7th Oct 2006 00:27
You don't have to pussytoe around me dude.
Leech the trend and be proud.

Anyway, edited my above post with an extra bit.

Quote: "Hawkeye, a lot of your feedback borders on taking the piss these days. You should probably refrain from listening to or commenting on my tracks."


Haha. Cold.

Hawkeye: I'm guessing he means that though you can say whether you liked the track or not, I don't think he's too happy with your telling him to change things that are directly his style. It happens to me too, someone looks at my design and says "I like it but change the [colour] to [colour]" But I never want to, becasue the colour I chose is simply my style/mood.

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Posted: 7th Oct 2006 00:39 Edited at: 7th Oct 2006 00:48
You can't tell someone to disguise their voice in a rap track because it's not to your taste. If you dont like my voice, don't listen to my rap tracks. It's a totally unreasonable and thoughtless suggestion.

I'm definitely a breakbeat producer first and have no delusions that I am some awesome rapper, but imagine how offended a fulltime rapper would be if you said "I like your tracks, but I dont like your voice, so change it". Maybe they wouldnt be offended, but that whole feedback point would be stupid. It's the same for me, just toned down. The voice is a key stylistic element in this tune, as it would be for a full blown rapper, and therefore suggesting I change it is an insult to my artistic individuality. Back to my first point - if you don't like my voice, don't listen to my rap tracks.

Edit: @Megs - I didn't design the vinyls except my logo on the Mantis dub, but if the opportunity turns up again and they ask me for some artwork, I'll drop you a msg.


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Posted: 7th Oct 2006 00:52
I liked his voice. Who want's to touch me?

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Posted: 7th Oct 2006 01:22 Edited at: 7th Oct 2006 01:23
@Fallout --- How much did it cost to make LPs for your singles? I would love to have that done, but don't know where to start.

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No idea mate. I didn't do it. A5R is a small German record label run by a few peeps. They did it and sent me a few disks for free as part of the deal. I think they do about 100 promos. Probably works out as £300 - £400 as a complete guess.

As far as I know, it's the initial master disk that costs the money. So something like £300 for a top quality one, and then subsequent vinyl presses are cheap as anything .. like 25p each, or £1 with colour label and sleaves etc. The Preying Mantis plate is a dub plate, cut straight onto the disk from the recording onto soft accetate or whatever it is. I got that for free too, so I dont know how much, but I think about £30 each. But that has a limited life due to the soft compound - like 50 plays or something, so I've only played mine a handful of times to keep it in good condition as it's my first tune on a plate, so has a little bit of sentimental value.


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Posted: 7th Oct 2006 05:16 Edited at: 7th Oct 2006 07:39
Dude, I rather dislike rap, but I liked that shiver song. Well done on that as well as the ice one

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Posted: 7th Oct 2006 06:25
only listened to the first minute of it, sounds pretty nice as an ambient track for a baldurs gate style game if you were in an icy terrain. Mayhaps even for claymore isle, in such a terrain. just makes me picture a top down slight angle game.

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we be illin!

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Well, I hate to be a "bumpcopter also" but in all honesty the main reason I have returned is to see your new tunes Fallout. Take that as you will.


I'm LOVING Ice Path; definitely going on the iPod. I love the ambient chill feel to it, it's roxor. While I usually hate Rap, yours is quite bearable. This is also going on the iPod, alongside 35 Degrees. Like the beat on Shiver; almost makes me want to listen to other rap.

And seeing as gunpowder got locked, I'll say that also rocked here. Loved all of your parts, though Scienide wasn't bad either. . There's a reason why once I can code again I'm gonna ask you to do the soundtrack...

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I found it a bit selfish how the mods fed the fire most of the time, then went right ahead and locked it after their damage was done. Don't think it's very fair to the thread starter.

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Posted: 3rd Nov 2006 18:28 Edited at: 3rd Nov 2006 18:29
I would agree, but I didn't really care. I had some feedback from most of the usual suspects before it turned into a political debate.

@Flindiana

Thanks man. Glad you like the choonage. I wondered why this thread was revived, but it makes sense to post in here with the other one locked. Nice one.


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And what's going on in the other thread? Trouble in mod paradise?

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Quote: "Trouble in mod paradise?
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Yeah, seems to be a "clash of the extremely big egos"

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Posted: 3rd Nov 2006 21:00 Edited at: 3rd Nov 2006 21:09
All the badass smack talk seems to explain it.

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Posted: 3rd Nov 2006 21:02
Wow! Awesome stuff Fallout!

I never knew you were so talented. I mostly don't pay attention to "music" threads because I have NO MUSIC TALENT whatsoever. I'll definately be watching for MORE of your stuff though!
Add me to your list of fans!

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Hey, thanks Ron. My music varies quite a lot style-wise, so I can't promise you'll like all the stuff I make. Don't put yourself down as a Fallout fan just yet. I've got a melodic dnb vocal tune in the pipeline though ... just waiting on the vocals from Tamara. That one should hopefully appeal to a few peeps.


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HECK YEAH!


I love your vocal ones! Time Machine is still one of my favorites, and what really got me listening. Awaiting with glee your next tune!

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Quote: "My music varies quite a lot style-wise, so I can't promise you'll like all the stuff I make. Don't put yourself down as a Fallout fan just yet."


I don't have to "like" something to know it is good. Even if something isn't exactly my taste, I can tell that there is a lot of talent behind creating it. So too bad, I am already a fan

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Posted: 3rd Nov 2006 22:09 Edited at: 3rd Nov 2006 22:10
Tamara was the one who did Cacoon, right? And Lisa Ann did Time Machine?


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Posted: 3rd Nov 2006 22:14
Tamara did Cacoon but Lisa-Marie Young did Time Machine, yeah. And Fallout did both of them.

Ehehe...sorry, couldn't resist.

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Posted: 3rd Nov 2006 22:29 Edited at: 3rd Nov 2006 22:38
Yes, Megs is correct. Lisa-Marie Young did Time Machine and Hesitate, and Tamara did Cacoon and Serpentine. Serpentine was the original, and I would've carried on working with Tamara but she buggered off to college and vocal turn around became weeks/months, so that's when I found Lisa-Marie. You guys would like Lisa actually. She is a big gamer and helps out at LAN parties.

Here's Serpentine. It's a very old tune production quality wise but still has a good groove to it, and Tamara sounds as good as ever: Serpentine feat. Tamara

Edit: Serpentine is actually listed as 2003 on my music page, but it's definitely pre-2002. At least 5 years old, hence it sounds quite rough around the edges.


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Posted: 3rd Nov 2006 22:32 Edited at: 3rd Nov 2006 22:34
Heh heh. Fallout is definately not above the casual pimp'in of hoes

edit: heyyy, I like the atmosphere in serpentine. Nice jazzy vocals. Any chance of a remix kit? I'd really like to do a remix of that choon


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No can do mate. Unfortunately anything as old as that was losts in the great backing up tragedy of 2002. Where I zipped up the contents of one compo, moved it to another compo via LAN, reinstalled/formatted the first compo, then moved the zip files back and every single one was corrupt. I lost loads of song source files, games, graphics, source code etc. I only have the MP3 because I still had it online. All the songs that weren't online were lost forever too, so I lost about a years worth of music forever, never to be heard again.


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Hehe, ok. That's another polite way of saying no.

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I'm liking that shiver track, but you said it was profanity free? At 3:03 on the track, you say "bull-s**t".

Curiousness.

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Posted: 3rd Nov 2006 23:09 Edited at: 3rd Nov 2006 23:10
Seriously, I'd be happy for him to remix that tune. I'm not a fan of people remixing my new tunes as I like them to be unique. But its great when older tunes that aren't really listened to much anymore get remixed. Brings them up to date and gives them some exposure in a new form that they otherwise wouldn't've had.

It's true, I dont like people remixing my tunes normally because as I see it (A) it will be sh*t, and then it'll bring down the tone of the original, plus mean I have to comment on a crap tune to somebody I can't run away from or (B) it'll be better than the original, and steal a lot of its thunder, which pisses me off because the remix wouldn't even have existed if it wasn't for me.

When Spor and Toxin remixed Hesitate and got it released yada yada etc. Next thing I heard it Pendulum was spinning a dub of the remix, so then pressure came on me to release the original and sign it just so that the remix could be officially released as a remix, and then handed out to a bunch of DJs as a proper release. So basically they were asking me to release my tune, not because people wanted to hear it or own it, but so that they could make money from their remix which appealed more to the mainstream than my original. So in the end I told them to release it as an original, and not as a remix and ignore mine. Well, f**k that anymore. Random pain in the arse trouble just because I released a sample pack online .... the one and ONLY time I've done it.

Nah, I dont see how remixes benefit me as the original artist unless it's for an older tune that isn't in the public domain much anymore. Than it's all good news for both parties.


Edit: @code master - That one obviously slipped my mind.


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Quote: "When Spor and Toxin remixed Hesitate and got it released yada yada etc. Next thing I heard it Pendulum was spinning a dub of the remix, so then pressure came on me to release the original and sign it just so that the remix could be officially released as a remix, and then handed out to a bunch of DJs as a proper release. So basically they were asking me to release my tune, not because people wanted to hear it or own it, but so that they could make money from their remix which appealed more to the mainstream than my original."

Jeez dude... If I had Pendulum spinning a vip of one of my tracks, I'd do everything I could to get it out there, regardless of the money matters. But every man to himself


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The remix was really different man, which is another thing that bothered me a bit. If I felt like it was a brushed up version of my tune, I probably would've had that sense of pride, but in essense all they did was rip the vocals and then use a similar notation ... but they had to do that to fit with the vocals. It didn't feel like a complement to my tune as most remixes are. It felt like a new tune, based around vocals I'd written. Because it was so different to the original Hesitate (which to be honest is not mainstream dancefloor material at all), I knew anyone who liked the remix who then wanted to hear the original would be dissapointed with it. That's nothing to be proud of. That's why I wasn't happy about it really, because at least from a mainstream dnb perspective, the remix was a lot better than my tune and worked as such.

Anyway, I had a look online and they did release it as Fallout - Hesitate (Spor and Toxin Remix). So it didn't go out as the original as I suggested, so no doubt questions were asked. Only mentioned I can find are of it included in mixes and stuff though. I can't find it to buy, but I've emailed Spor. So perhaps it was only a bunch of promos. Either way, it wasn't a success for me really. I don't feel like I can really take any of the credit.


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