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Steve J
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Posted: 7th Oct 2006 06:05 Edited at: 7th Oct 2006 06:24
The new episode...was frackin' good! I love the depth they have added to cylons! The insurgients, the NCP, everything. Best episode ever.

I didnt like how quickly they pushed the cara/kara/however you spell her names relationship with the cylon though. EARTH! I want them to find us. Or actually, my theory is that they are on earth, because when you look at it, less than 20% of our total land mass is habitable. Where they settled looks like the nile delta. Seriously. Earth.

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Posted: 7th Oct 2006 07:38
Is this the one with Dirk Benedict in it?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0368594/

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Posted: 7th Oct 2006 10:34
Man I can't wait until Season Three gets its fracking ass over here.

Come on BSG: Get here ASAP!

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Posted: 7th Oct 2006 11:04
Quote: "Is this the one with Dirk Benedict in it?"

Your thinking of the '70's version.

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Posted: 7th Oct 2006 19:04
@Drew: You will be filled with suspense. I almost killed my tv when the first commercial break happened. Also, watch "The story so far", if it shows. It gives a quick catch up. Pretty useful. Also Drew, it still has the sexy cylon girls. But they need to add more, because 3 isnt enough=P...

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Posted: 7th Oct 2006 20:00
I love BSG.

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I can't believe how fat the Admiral's son got. Did you notice the heavy political overtones of the insurgents, suicide bombers, etc? I wonder how much Zoic Studios is making off of this series for all the CG art?


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Posted: 7th Oct 2006 20:32
Meh, it had been 4 months... and KeithC, the entire series is about political overtones I cant believe you haven't realized all the similarities to modern events. The inferior tech wise (not population wise) humans have their homes destroyed. They leave fighting the Cylons in guerrilla warfare. They then plan strikes at cylon targets. They execute cylon prisoners. The cylons seem to hate them, but some dont.

Cylons = U.S.

Humans = Middle East.

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Posted: 7th Oct 2006 20:43
This episode was incredible, Have to say no better show on any channel . If you did not watch them over the summer make sure to watch the 10 Webisodes on SCI-Fi they take place between the end of last season and this episode. Lee has gone from being Apollo to Marshmallow.

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Posted: 7th Oct 2006 20:49
I think the cylons better get off the planet.

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Posted: 8th Oct 2006 12:51
Quote: "The new episode...was frackin' good! I love the depth they have added to cylons! The insurgients, the NCP, everything. Best episode ever."


Steve, I can not express my distaste for that episode. It feels like the entire population of that planet, these people who have undergone far more struggles then what the cylons are presenting them, have crap for brains. And don't get me started on tighe, this obsessivly delusional idiot is leading a resistance force? We all remember how poorly he lead Galatica when Adama got shot, and these people would TRUST this fool.

And the Cylons, for being these super patern recognition machines, they really are starting to become idiots. Currently they are running a totalitarian society (I think) and are suffering insurgencies. Anyone can tell you that mass killing only INCREASES the insurgency, it instills vengence. Mass Killing is ONLY effective when people are too scared to fight. On top of that the Cylons began exibiting further human characteristics by CARING about their dead, their dead RESURECT for crying out loud, and what kind of idiot purposly takes the WIFE of a revolutionary. (And yes, it is purposly, unless the writers intend to make a pathetic move on that part.)

As tensions continue to mount you can see the idiocy that these insurgents are generating. They even KNOW that the cylons are picking people up because of THEM, I don't know what the society would be like without the insurgents, but if I lived there I would betray those bastards for MAKING it so bad, and they think THEY are the good guys. The Cheif doesn't even show COMPASSION to the one guy who has been helping them all along. Yes, he doesn't know, but any REAL insurgent would realize that befreinding a person at the top could lead to vial information.

And when the NCP came in with their smash and grab routines. At that point I totally hated what they did with it, unlike the idiotic insurgents the NCP were SUPPOSE to be a compassionate police force that wanted to get the cylons off the street, presumably because they preformed the same acts that they preformed. It wasn't even plasable, if they had undergone cruel enough training to remove their humanity for that moment in time, then sure as hell they would show that out of uniform. Further More, the compassion that one of them has is only shown out of uniform and once, when arresting the former president, but only to a limited perspective.

I would also like to note (if I haven't done so already) that the population would be more likely to rebel against the insurgents rather then the cylons. The population knows that the cylons are punishing them because of the insurgent attacks, and now that the insurgents are killing civillians they are a bigger target then ever. Not only are the insurgents responsible for the suffering of hundreds, but they are killing them as well.

Quite Frankly, they have this setup wrong, completly wrong. The spell of reality that BSG originally wove was destroyed by this season opener, and if they persist in such unrealistic affairs I will have to drop the show. There have been a few of these 'never gonna happen' incidents here and there, but to have a 2 hour episode dedicated to them simply crosses the line. Hopefully once they leave new caprica it will become a more reasonable set of affairs, but until then... BSG will just have to wait.

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Posted: 8th Oct 2006 20:17
You clearly have no experience with struggle When pushed to a corner, they would accept tigh. Only natural, he offers to kill the "oppressive cylons".

*sigh* The new cylons are exactly human pretty much. You cant tell them apart at dissection from humans. Which means they have human brains. Which means they feel emotion (no matter how hard they suppress it, just like humans)... They arent the centurions.

Again, they are pushed to a corner. If you are trying to survive, you dont think very well. You dont plan as great, as if you have infinite time.

Its just like the REAL terrorists. They think it is right. The terrorists arent inhuman, but they are struggling. The insurgents are the real terrorists, and imagine the NCP being a kind of alternative to struggling one way. Some people would choose that.

Dude, seriously think about it. The cylons killed their worlds. BILLIONS OF PEOPLE! You dont just stop and say their own people are worse. The cylons have hate built up. It is hard to get rid of.

Actually, it was 2 hours of complete enjoyability. The episode was almost perfect, and carried on what last season left. Just to let you know, I have struggled through life. I can at least relate to what a struggling person would do. You make stupid choices. Really stupid choices.

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Here here Steve J!

Can I interest you in a Milk Paton tee by the way ?

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Quote: "You clearly have no experience with struggle When pushed to a corner, they would accept tigh. "

A persons Fight or Flight instincts can be easily controlled instilling enough fear to keep the population under control. Look at history and all the oppressive dictators, you can clearly see that those people know what they are doing, instilling enough fear to keep them settled yet not enough to warrant a revolt. Do I really need to get into the "Human Kind are Cowards" debate?

Quote: "Only natural, he offers to kill the "oppressive cylons"."

He was their leader from the beginning, so say the cylons. But every instance of thigh being in command has shown his failure to lead, he cracks under the pressure and makes horrible choices. He is a likely candidate to start a insurgency, but to lead it? No, his choices and actions clearly reflect his inability to do so.

Quote: "*sigh* The new cylons are exactly human pretty much. You cant tell them apart at dissection from humans. Which means they have human brains. Which means they feel emotion (no matter how hard they suppress it, just like humans)... They aren’t the centurions."

It was announced that the 'new' cylons were made to operate in unison and were developed to reject any personal feelings and or emotions (Not sure about that exactly, but similar to what was said). They did this so they would be easy to control, and wouldn't become self-aware. It is true that there are 'break-outs' of emotion occurring which warrants an impending cylon civil war, but you ignore the fact that these occurrences, even though becoming more frequent, are rare.

Further more, rage over death can only occur if death is permenate, but a few hours later they would resurrect their dead and be on their merry way.

Quote: "Again, they are pushed to a corner. If you are trying to survive, you don’t think very well. You don’t plan as great, as if you have infinite time."

These insurgents aren't civies, they are MILITARY. If military personal could not think under pressure how many would even make it out of a war? And time, oh my god, they have all the time in the world to plan an attack, but it doesn't take a lot of time to plan a coordinated attack. Planning an attack under battlefield conditions is CRUCIAL in many military operations, situations may have changed then what they trained for and they need to adapt quickly and conform to a new plan.

Quote: "Dude, seriously think about it. The cylons killed their worlds. BILLIONS OF PEOPLE! You don’t just stop and say their own people are worse. The cylons have hate built up. It is hard to get rid of."

Adolph Hitler killed lots of people. Why didn't the Jews get up and blow his ass apart? Why didn't they stop HIDING and go out with firebombs, why were they all COWARDS? People will CONFORM to any dictator, no matter how cruel, as long as they see that doing so may allow them to live. And when they are in fear of the dictator they will cower. Only when truly stressed will they revolt, and a revolt has to be in unison, three insurgents would quickly be turned in if it meant that the suffering of others would be extinguished. The JEWS (I think) even turned in other Jews in an attempt to save themselves. This is HISTORY, historic facts that cannot be mutated into a version you would like.

I would accept your point of view if history didn't completely obliterate it. Simply put, it is impossible for this situation to manifest itself. The cylons would have seen the clear pattern of aggression. As they became more aggressive, their insurgents resorted to more aggressive tactics. Any dictator knows when to let go, it isn’t about controlling the population, it’s about keeping the population from rebelling. These insurgents are TERRORISTS, if the guy next door is heating fertilizer and making nitrous oxide do I tell on him? Or do I let him blow my family up?


Steve...

Oh yeah, Frak is a substitute curse work for the english f word. Therefore you are cursing in your first sentence of your first post which is against the aup. :p

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And this is where I completely blast your theories about history apart: It is sci-fi. Plain and simple. We dont know if they come from Earth. My idea is that they and the cylons mix, and that is why early on we believed in many gods, and then later on cylon beliefs spread.

On tigh, how so? He could lead. You cant just say he cant because he lacks the qualities to do so. He is making stupid choices, but the others in the group dont mind...

Also I am talking about the humaniform cylons. Not the centurions. Duh. And they feel emotion. You would have to be stupid not to see that throughout the series. Rage over death can occur even if it is temporary. I would be pissed if I got shot, then had to go back and find the fraker who shot me.

You yourself said tigh made bad choices. So, that part is just a continued part of it.

Again: This is sci-fi. I am sure maybe a part of it has historical relations, but these are fracking humans from other planets.

Oh and Les Horribres, in light of what your conclusion at the bottom was, Frack you


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Quote: "Oh and Les Horribres, in light of what your conclusion at the bottom was, Frack you"

I didn't know you were that type of man...

Quote: "Also I am talking about the humaniform cylons. Not the centurions. Duh. And they feel emotion. You would have to be stupid not to see that throughout the series. Rage over death can occur even if it is temporary. "


Did you hear the clues that they are SUPPOSE to be emotionless and that SOME of them who EXIBIT emotion are becomming selfaware. Just because something looks human does not make them human.
Quote: "I would be pissed if I got shot, then had to go back and find the fraker who shot me."

See Starbuck's Cylon 'Hubbie'. (What did he say... 6 times aready?)

Quote: "We dont know if they come from Earth. "

I admit I can't remember it picture perfect but earth was the 13th planet of the quoram which separated after kobalt was lost, I believe. I will have to rewatch the older episodes, or find a propper synopsis, because there is a dying feeling that earth played a larger role in their religious texts. On top of that, this is a serious about human emotions and human feelings, the opening text of this season even says "all human".


Steve, I just love how you allways end your arguments. If you can't win simply make it unwinnable. However you ignore the fact that Soap operas tie into HUMAN emotions not alien emotions, further more it doesn't matter which planet they came from because earth influenced them in some way or form. Further more, History relates to human reactions to similar situations. This situation would never manifest under the cercimstances, and THAT is an infallible fact.

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Haha, got from that from the Admiral, did yah?

As far as I know, it said they all feel emotion. When it went into the cylon caprica being rebuilt they seemed to thank eachother, and feel alright. I know that for a fact.

He was mad, but he is also a religious zealot. He kept saying about how god sent him.

Actually, just rewatching them, they came from kobalt, then they spread out, they never had contact with Earth, and Earth was always away. And Earth does have a big purpose in the text, it was supposed to be a place where they could all go and live happily ever after. Really. And I dont know what the last part was about

Yes, they are human emotions. But as you saw, each person had different reactions to different things. How do you know that their reactions would be different than yours? The Admirals was different than mine would have been (Going back to New Caprica), so was the Commanders. And on your 2nd to last sentence, EXACTLY. How do we know their history? We don't. Actually we do, the first cylon war. I am sure they tried to go back and save their dying worlds. I am sure that different things happened. That affects them. That is why it is sci-fi. You arent one to say they wouldnt manifest btw. You do understand that this is loosely based on modern history, and almost all the stuff that happened, is happening. We go to the middle east, and then we try and live in harmony. They attack and kill citizens, innocents. They dont care. And they are humans.

I dont think your arguement is on a sound surface.

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Posted: 9th Oct 2006 06:58 Edited at: 9th Oct 2006 07:01
Quote: "Your thinking of the '70's version"


But it says
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on the top of the page.

But wikipedia agrees with you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlestar_Galactica_%281978%29

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Odd. But no, that is not the correct version.

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@Les Horribles: You're incorrect, the humanoid cylons do have emotions, which is part of their design, how else could some of them have been led to believe that they were humans first of all?

They don't like dying because it is supposed to be painful, as said at some stage in Season 2, I can't remember which one.

As for all your comments about the insurgents, please, PLEASE look at the news, will you? So many rebellions have occurred, and people have stood up against the oppressors, and people will suffer for them because of what they stand for. Look at, for example, Afghanistan or Iraq, both of which conflicts were (apparently) caused by the extremists. Both those countries populations have suffered greatly, and continue to do so, yet they don't support the US or England, who they see as the invaders, they support the extremists, even with the suffering they've caused.

The whole storyline is very true to life, and I must say I disagree wholly, the latest two episodes rule!

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Support! Now I am basically on the verge of going into the BSG set place. Possibly into the dressing rooms of a certain blonde female cylon.

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Haha, she is way hot no doubt, and I too have eagerly awaited this new season. I do not have TV, but it is one Show that I do follow EVERY week. I must agree that it is the best show on television by far. Great acting, outstanding special effects and decisive, cut to the chase story lines, not a bunch of useless dialog. Hazaah to the script writers.

I watched the new episode and it picked up right as I expected it to. Great show, great episode. Can't wait for more!

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I loved this episode. Great ending.

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I take it you are talking about tonights episode, and yes it was very good.

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Agree with Kentaree. BSG is an incredible show and the stark realism behind all the sci-fi trappings is a rare treat.

<Hero> lol ones spelling ability has absolutely nothing to do with there level of inteligence or maturity!
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Quote: "and the stark realism behind all the sci-fi trappings is a rare treat."


I so agree these characters seem so real, full of faults and emotions, not like your typical show where you have a bunch of cookie cutter parts.

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I'm waiting for the metalheads to start killing the human-like Cylons because they've been contaminated by human emotions. The metal Cylons shouldn't have any quams about killing their own kind if they have "errors" in their programming.
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It was just made pretty obvious in episode 2 that that's not going to happen. They can't distinguish between different humanoid models. Not to mention they're the ones who run the resurrection ships and everything else. The centurions are just pawns - much better designed pawns than the original Cylons were.

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I totally agree that the character development in BSG is the best I have ever seen in a series. The special effects are great, the acting is superb for TV, and the storyline is well thought-out and directed. You often can predict many of the things that happen in BSG, but you are left with a satisfied feeling of all of the side-plots and interesting mis-haps. Each episode seems to turn you in a slightly different direction, taking you further and further from where you first began. Quite an adventurous series. I have no problems calling this my favorite show of all time.

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Quote: "It was just made pretty obvious in episode 2 that that's not going to happen. They can't distinguish between different humanoid models."


I don't mean pick one Sharon out of all the Sharons. I meant the Centurions kill all the human models. Like a Cylon civil war... the metalheads vs the fleshies.
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What do you guys think will happen if Sharon does find out Hera is still alive?

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Quote: "As for all your comments about the insurgents, please, PLEASE look at the news, will you? So many rebellions have occurred, and people have stood up against the oppressors, and people will suffer for them because of what they stand for. Look at, for example, Afghanistan or Iraq, both of which conflicts were (apparently) caused by the extremists. Both those countries populations have suffered greatly, and continue to do so, yet they don't support the US or England, who they see as the invaders, they support the extremists, even with the suffering they've caused."


Please understand human behavior. Lets remove it from its context and simplify it for you. If a guy was holding you hostage and was causing you pain would you attack? Most people will 'boast' yes, but in the situation will cower in no. But lets say your boast is true. You attack the guy, and he promptly kills 5 other hostages. You attack again, 5 more people lose their life. Who is the 'hero', you? A rebellion is only successful if the larger portion of the population agrees. If they consider the losses worth the gain, yet in BSG it is clear that the insurgents are of a lower faction.


Quote: "They don't like dying because it is supposed to be painful, as said at some stage in Season 2, I can't remember which one."


I am horrible with chronological order, although if memory serves me right, you may be talking about the episode where adama spots a (press?) who was the cylon from the BSG Mini Series (Either on the planet, or on the ship... not certain) (arthur?). Either way, adama tourchered him for info (hence 'pain') and finally, under the presidents order, let him out the air lock (I believe he broke his 'promise' there ;P). The reason he was 'fearful' of death was because of the distance he was from the resurection ship. Although... I do believe this was from Season 1.

Quote: "As far as I know, it said they all feel emotion. When it went into the cylon caprica being rebuilt they seemed to thank eachother, and feel alright. "

And you continue to ignore the fundemental core of my argument. Emergent Emotion. Any instrument that has rational thinking which can encounter positive or negitive stimuli will generate an emergent emotion twords the stimulus. Basically, if something is a 'very negitive stimulus' a logical aproach would be to avoid it. Avoiding something is a fundemental concept of 'fear'. Hatred is basically an individualized version of fear, if you recognize that an object has the capability to not issue negitive stimuli yet chooses to hatred of the object might emerge.

The point here is that there have BEEN (EMPHASIS ON BEEN) multiple incidents where the cylons showed no emotion what-so-ever. Look at the original miniseries, not only do the cylons typically confer in a monotonous type fashon, but (6?) killed both the negociater and a baby and simply walked away after each incident. If you look at some of the caprica (NOT NEW CAP) episodes you see further incidents of them talking in a rather monotonous manner amoungst each other, even though they ACT like they are emotional around their 'subject' (And will you please stop making it appear as if I am saying they don't HAVE emotion), and even if they are with humans, you don't need true emotions to fit in, ever laugh at your boss' bad jokes? Same concept.

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Quote: "I am horrible with chronological order, although if memory serves me right, you may be talking about the episode where adama spots a (press?) who was the cylon from the BSG Mini Series (Either on the planet, or on the ship... not certain) (arthur?). Either way, adama tourchered him for info (hence 'pain') and finally, under the presidents order, let him out the air lock (I believe he broke his 'promise' there ;P). The reason he was 'fearful' of death was because of the distance he was from the resurection ship. Although... I do believe this was from Season 1."


They actually emphasized their pain in death this week when one of the fathers was talking about how it is becoming more painful each time he ressurects.

As for their emotions, each of the flesh jobs is certainly different and some are more emotional than others (just like real people)I certainly think their emotions are real since even when they are only talking among themselves this emotion comes out in some of the units and not so much in others.

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I have to bring this thread back up after last Saturday's episode. It has to be the best damn episode so far. If you havent seen it, watch it. If you dont want battlestar, watch this episode and it will most likely convert you

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The best thing about the new Battlestar Galactica is the girl who plays Starbuck.

She's hot.

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Posted: 24th Oct 2006 04:11
Yes she is but I like Sharon better As for the episode it was beyond expectations, the scene where Galactica jumped into the atmosphere, launches the vipers and jumps out again made me think "man Adama has balls! or Alzheiemers(sp)"

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Posted: 24th Oct 2006 10:37
Yeah Hobgoblin Lord, that was some cool CG work wasn't it...bout colides with the ground then poof....jump time. And yeah...there big as Pyramid Balls.

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