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Megaton Cat
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Posted: 11th Oct 2006 18:08
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Why is everyone here who started smoking in uni or the army saying "Well I only started 'cause everyone around me where doing it and my friends were doin' it".

I thought only 14 year olds are affected by peer pressure?
Guess not. (Nothing against Cash, he quit right away)

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Matt Rock
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Posted: 11th Oct 2006 19:55
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It's impractical for me to not feed my nicotine addiction lol yet again I find myself fighting to sustain my right to smoke!

Because Meg, we're all suckers. We see our friends smoking and we're like "yay, let me try that," and presto, addicts. I just don't complain about being addicted like most other people And peer pressure can effect just about everyone. In fact I can think of some very distinct examples, but the AUP won't let me bring them up


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Fallout
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Look how many peeps joined MySpace, including Megs. Another form of peer pressure perhaps? It's only really peer pressure if you know it's bad. When I started smoking, I knew full well that if I just did it on and off for a few years, it wasn't bad at all. It would have pretty much zero side effects. Therefore, I made an educated decision knowing that I could go out with my friends and have a smoke, rather than stay on the college campus on my own like a plum, and not have any comeback. In hind sight, it wasn't a good idea, because even though I wasn't addicted then, it opened a door for me to start buying cigarettes at other times when not at college.

In one year at uni I lived with a load of pot heads. I never really got involved, and as a result, one of my housemates considered me a bit of an outcast, and it was one of the reasons why I quit my first course at uni, cos home life became crap. It would've been easy to have got into smoking weed all the time, but I didn't rise to that peer pressure because I knew what the negative repercussions would be. I didn't see any from smoking. Having pretty much quit now, I still can't really think of many negative repercussions from smoking, and can list a few key benefits (the social ones I mentioned earlier). So I think I've made the right choices.


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Uncle Sam
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Posted: 11th Oct 2006 20:41 Edited at: 11th Oct 2006 20:43
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Quote: "You're a media brainwashee Uncle Sam. Foolishly following the blind ramblings of the scaremongerers. Smoking aint good for you, but it's not the stick of death all you high-horse non-smokers make it out to be. If you smoke for 20 years from say 15 to 35, then quit, you are only slightly more likely to contract a fatal disease/cancer in later life than someone who has never smoked. In contrast, if you jump off a cliff 20 times a day between the ages of 15 to 35, you're unlikely to see your 16th birthday.

The point is, smoking is bad for you. Smoking makes you stink. It's unpleasant for a lot of non-smokers, but it's WAY overhyped how dangerous it is. It's like half the population are convinced once you start smoking you're are a LUNATIC because it's CERTAIN DEATH .. there's no way out ... smoking is like cutting off your own balls and using them as bait to tempt in the lions.

Smoking is a long term health risk, not a short term craaaaiiizy drug only stupid teenagers get jacked up on. It's only a big deal to people who are sucked in by the paranoia of the media hate campaigns. Anyone who knows the facts know that smoking is a bad idea in the long term, and pretty much an irrelevance in the short term."


Where'd you hear that, the media?

Quote: "So I think I've made the right choices."


Don't you mean the least-wrong choices? I mean, how can smoking ever be even partially right?

I don't care even if the health risk is minimum, it still doesn't help, and there's always the high cost of buying the cigarettes. And the excuse about living in the city and eating junk food, etc. is just as bad as mine about the cliff, making you guys hypocrytical smokers (jk ). And who says everyone lives in the city, eats junk food, drinks and smokes, etc? I don't smoke or drink, I'm not addicted to candy or potato chips, I walk to work (yes, it's very close to where I live). And someone said earlier that everyone has been in a pub? Not I.

Bravo Gil, Meg and Dink for being the only ones with any sense around here! :S

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Fallout
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Posted: 11th Oct 2006 20:58
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For me it was right because via smoking I met the most attractive girl I've ever gone out with and had lots of awesome filthy sex.

There is no arguing with that.


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Posted: 11th Oct 2006 21:06
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I havent read this thread so I am basically just posting this to the younger folks among us who may have started smoking, or are thinking about it...

Take it from me, currently a smoker, the best thing you can ever do is not start. If you have started, then stop, especially while you're still young. Every day you smoke it will be that much harder to stop.

well, thats all.

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Megaton Cat
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Posted: 11th Oct 2006 21:43
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Quote: "Look how many peeps joined MySpace, including Megs. Another form of peer pressure perhaps?"


Hey dude, the only reason I started MySpace is because you're required an account to view photo galleries on other accounts. Since I went through the trouble of starting one, no hamrm in putting in a quick blurb and adding a few fellas.

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Jeku
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Posted: 11th Oct 2006 22:05
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Megs - Suuuuure

The *only* good thing about MySpace is it's a central location that's popular, and if you're an artist I *guess* it's good for exposure. It runs like crap and has loads of exploits, though.


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Posted: 11th Oct 2006 22:24
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Not a ciggy smoker but during my spell oot the country have taken a fondness to shisha. Personally I find it a very nice smell, it didnt stick to my clothes too much and is a nice way to relax with some friends (especially is your with a load of arabic guys!)
Still canne smoke cigarettes though, so harsh and terribe smell....any other shisha smokers in the hoose.

Oh and as for the addiction thing, I'd say it would be pretty damn hard..its the kind of thing that justs creeps up in your mind and says "you could do with me about now"...quite unnerving really. I had the same with alchol once and cut right back very quickly.

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Zaibatsu
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I have never smoked. anything. ever.

i have never been offered a ciggarette, but i have been offered a bong, a pipe, and a joint.

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Posted: 14th Oct 2006 09:44
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Quote: "No, but it's not as clear as that. "


Of course not, what with all the smoke around! *Boom Tish*


That wasn't too lame, was it?


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Posted: 14th Oct 2006 17:34
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Quote: "Of course not, what with all the smoke around! *Boom Tish*"


Heaven help us all...

... kidding, that was pretty good! I chuckled when I read that.

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Posted: 14th Oct 2006 17:53
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Quote: "but don't force everyone else to change just because you don't like something."


Well, then I don't want to hear any of that out of you either. There are quite a few things I could post concerning this, but most would probably go against the AUP as they are political or religious... Not regarding you or anyone in general, just all of society, so don't take it the wrong way.

I was just working all last week in 93 apartments. Me and my dad do the heating ventilation and air conditioning for the buildings. Well I will say that first, they were all filthy because the location in which we worked (outskirts of Cleveland). But the smoker's apartments were HORRENDOUS. Everything was yellow and orange, the walls were sticky, the furnaces almost needed replacement just because of how much dust, ash, and nicotene tar had built up in them. My job was mostly changing the filters in the air vents. They were absolutely disgusting and at least 5 times worse than the filters in non-smoker's apartments. I also had to clean the air return grilles. These were nearly clogged with orange sticky crap. I can't even imagine what someone's lungs look like if their apartments only looked like this after an average of 3-4 years.

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Grog Grueslayer
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I'm totally against smoking because my Grandpa had emphysema. When I was a kid whenever he wanted to change the channel himself on the TV (before everybody had remotes) he would walk to the middle of the living room then hunch over trying to catch his breath for about 2 minutes... then walk to the tv... change the channel... walk back to the middle of the room hunched over trying to catch his breath again... then back to his chair. Seeing that day after day I vowed to never be like him and i've never touched a cigarette in my life.
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Ian T
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Posted: 15th Oct 2006 01:08
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Nothing against smoking and I don't think it should neccesarily be illegal, although I do think corporations should be banned from selling anything proven as harmful to consumers as cigarettes supposedly are. I've smoked socially since I was 15 or so and quit about three months ago. There's really no point, I just started to love the smell and taste - before I smoked my first ciggy, too, which people say doesn't happen but hey, people are full of it .

On the political side, I think adult individuals should be allowed to grow, roll and smoke whatever the hell they want in their own property. Not anyone else's business.

<Hero> lol ones spelling ability has absolutely nothing to do with there level of inteligence or maturity!
<Hero> bah, ur guys r just children, i shouldnt bother trying to educate you
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I don't smoke and I never will, that's pretty much final. Have nothing against smokers, just as long as they don't blow it all over my face. I encourage anyone to stop for the long term health effects smoking has. But everyone can do whatever they like I suppose.



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Manticore Night
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Personally, I am a non-smoker. I trully can't stand smoking. The smoke gets in my ears and give me ear infections. I really think that nobody sould smoke. It makes my stomach turn. We here in Manitoba have had the 6 foot law in effect for quite some time. I went to the states once and was amazed at the smoking. Everysingle meal I had in the states tasted like cigarette. I've turned down dates, left restaurants, and broken freindships over smoking. But of course, most people don't go to that extreme. To me finding out someone smokes is like finding out they watch kiddy porn or something.

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I dont smoke nor do I plan on starting. I have been around people who do. Personally I can not stand it.

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Screw the health concearns!, any smokers here ever work out the amount of extra tax they're paying? - it's like £4.50 for a 20 pack, and if you smoke a pack every day that's almost £140 per month.

The way I see it, smoking is like scratchcards, a vehicle for invisible taxation. Stop smoking, and go have a 2 week holiday every year on the money you'd save.

It's funny though, how the government thinks about British society, like anyone here think the smoking laws are there to benefit non-smokers?. No, let's segregate all the chaz's in one spot, keep em all together, in little walled gardens, then the pubs and clubs will be safe again. What a marvelous idea, get a load of drunk idiots together with some other drunk idiots and see what happens (outside the pub, in the garden, where bouncers and landlords don't really have to watch them). Next it'll be a ball pit and climbing frame, maybe they should add swings too - might save some poor sod from getting his head kicked in over a ciggie break.

Personally, I'd rather see smoking areas, I hate the way clothes smell after a night in a pub, but the fact is that if you have a friend who smokes, you wouldn't let them stand outside on their own, so it's everyones problem at the end of the day.

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Posted: 17th Oct 2006 07:20 Edited at: 17th Oct 2006 07:27
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Quote: "Nope, no I don't. Hence why I asked "Is smoking really that hard to quit?"."


I could understand if ppl can't quit the habit. My dad has really tried to quit before, but smoking for nearly 40 years is hard to break I'm sure. I think he managed a month or two, twice. Each time he'll go through about a bag of candy suckers a day.

I've tried to quit drinking caffiene, managed a month. I think it was more a mental addiction by that point than physical. I'm just so used to having a can of pop at my computer desk all the time.

As for the original topic, smoking doesn't bother me. But I have never smoked and don't plan on starting. Nobody smokes in my house or in my car, and I usually won't date a girl who smokes.


Not sure about the rest of you, but in central Ohio we have smoking bands all over the place. Can't smoke indoors in any public place. (restaurants, bars, etc...) Technically, you can't smoke within 10ft of a public building but its not really enforced.
Someone was going door to door asking for signatures to get some little restaurant to allow smoking on the outside patio during lunch hours. Told the lady I could care less about smoking laws. She's like "oh well can you sign it anyway then, I get paid per signature." I just shut the door. Yes, i'm quite rude to door to door ppl, unless its a little kid selling girlscout cookies.

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I guess alot of this stuff isn't really a bother if all you do is sit in a cubicle all day. But if you're very active and into fitness, you're probably better off without any of this.

Caffeine leeches at your calcium and reduces your bone density. Drink 2-3 cups of coffee a day like alot of people do, and I'm sure you can guess the state your skeleton will be in after a few years. Now throw in a physical activity, and goodluck not hurting yourself.

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in central Ohio we have smoking bands all over the place."


What kind of stuff do they play?

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Quote: "But if you're very active and into fitness, you're probably better off without any of this.
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That's me. There's no way I would eevvvveeerrr smoke. I'm a cross-country runner. Have any idea what that'd do to my lungs? I don't even want to think about it.

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In some places just breathing the air is just as bad or worse than smoking.

The one thing I can't stand is smokers that leave their cigarette butts everywhere. They just toss it and don't even think their trashing up the place.
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I drink almost the equivalent of 2 pots of coffee a day. My bones are stronger than steel!


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I cheat the system with decaf. The added chemicals also give me superhuman strength.


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Quote: "Not sure about the rest of you, but in central Ohio we have smoking bands all over the place"


Hope that moves up north to the Cleveland area soon. We don't live too far apart apparently. There's actually quite a few Ohioans on this forum.

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Whats the point of smoking? All it does is give you lung cancer and then you die young. It's just stupid to smoke or drink.

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Quote: "Quote: "
in central Ohio we have smoking bands all over the place."

What kind of stuff do they play? "


doh! bans!


Quote: "But if you're very active and into fitness, you're probably better off without any of this. "

That's what science would lead you to believe. But since I was kid I've been drinking about half a gallon of milk a day, sometimes a whole gallon when I was younger. Never a broken bone in my body, and you'd be surprised how hard I've hit the ground doing some of the active skating I do. Not to mention soccer, track, basketball when i was in school. So i'm quite active.

But you're right, I would be better off without it. And one can feel a noticable difference when working out just after drinking a can of mountain dew. But I love it too much!


Quote: "There's actually quite a few Ohioans on this forum."

I've noticed. My friend in Akron right now is moving to Cleveland this weekend, to be closer to work she says. I'm sure the ban will spread throughout Ohio soon enough.

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Quote: "I drink almost the equivalent of 2 pots of coffee a day. My bones are stronger than steel!"


Fallen on any hips or shoulders lately to test out that brave exclamation?

I'm guessing you're in your 20's...so still young. This doesn't really hit you till your late 30's and 40's.

Phaelax: Drinking a ton of milk doesn't really make your bones indestructible, just stronger. You can still break them easly!

I broke my collar bone skiing last winter...it was a clean break in the middle, and I simply shrugged it off and skied back down. They told me it was broken at the resort's medical centre. But a friend of fell on a much softer surface (a mat), broke his collar bone into 4 peices, and went into some form of shock. People just react different to injuries...I dunno if it's all the milk, or whatever. I'm not a doctor.

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Quote: "Drinking a ton of milk doesn't really make your bones indestructable"


Yes, you need Adamantium for that.


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I heard large amounts of cocaine help. Just something I heard somewhere.

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No, that just takes the pain away upon breakage.


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Maybe its all the radiation from the old CRT monitor seeping into me, either cancelling out the caffeine or giving me super bones.

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Quote: "either cancelling out the caffeine or giving me super bones"
Guess again radiation boy

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Quote: "Drinking a ton of milk doesn't really make your bones indestructible, just stronger. You can still break them easly!"


Don't forget about the bovine growth hormones that are in the milk... that has to be doing something to us too.
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Smoking should be aginst the law completely i hate the smell!

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True. Not to mention it's just dumb...

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