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Geek Culture / Computer Problem Please help!

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Lordcorm
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Posted: 12th Oct 2006 21:14
Hey guys,
Well, my computer keeps on restarting so i decided to clean of the memery so i did with a clean eraser (very gental) then i wanted to replace my APG video card (128MB) with my 256BM Video card. So i did that and when i tryed to turn it on it just flickred, next i reversed what i did then i tryed to turn it on then there was smoke. Can anyone help me?

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Kenjar
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Posted: 12th Oct 2006 21:26 Edited at: 12th Oct 2006 21:29
yep. Replace your motherboard, video cards and RAM. Where there is smoke, there's... well not fire, but a definate short out of something or other. The trouble is that you've interfered with three sperates bits of hardware. You exposed your RAM to a peice of rubber, most likely full of static, you've replaced your video card, most likely without static precautions, and you've replaced your new card with the old meaning you've likely damaged that as well. If you buy a new motherboard, and plug in any of the above mentioned hardware, you are risking damaging it. Frankly I'd replace the CPU now as well, it's wholely possible that you've screwed that up as well.

Next time, if you are playing with the hardware, ensure that computer case is plugged in (but power turned off), and that your right or left hand is resting on the PC case itself. This will ground you, removing any static from your body. While pluged in, even with the switch turned off (at the mains) you are still connected to the grounding wire. It is very, very important to turn the computer off at the mains, because modern motherboards after the invention of ATX, have power flowing through them even when turned off, this is why, unlike the old AT power supplies, the switch plugs into the motherboard rather than being built directly into the PSU itself.

Looks like you need a new computer mate.

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Posted: 12th Oct 2006 21:27
If your PC has smoked, then something has physically shorted out to cause that smoke. You need to isolate what. My guess would be you left some rubber residue on the RAM, but pull it out and see, it should have a strange smell / faint blackness to its edges. The problem is that power flows to all parts of your motherboard, so isolating which bit fried is going to take a lot of patience - especially if it was the motherboard itself.

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Lordcorm
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Posted: 12th Oct 2006 21:33
Do you think the HardDrive is still ok because i have alot of games saved on that baby!

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Kenjar
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Posted: 12th Oct 2006 21:35 Edited at: 12th Oct 2006 21:37
Having built over 700 PC's professionally, I am honestly telling you that plugging in anything other than the hard drive, CD-ROM and Floppy disk is going to be risky. Given the nature of the fault, it's entirely possible one or more items from that system will damange any new motherboard you purchase. I'm definately including the CPU in that as well. If you have the original boxes and packaging you can try returning them to the manufactures. Make it sound like the fault happened when you tried to plug in one of their items, if you are lucky, and the hardware hasn't been running for too long you might get a replacement part send to you. At very minimum they will ask for the item to be returned, and they will at least test it for you in one of their own computers. If they return it then at least you've checked that it's not going to damage your new motherboard when you get it. If the item is out of warrenty, seriously, throw it out and get something new, even if it's an entry level card like the nVidia 7300, it'll run most games, and you can save up for something better. Better to have a working entry level machine then a smoking pile of debis.

P.S. Yes, it is likely the HDD is okay, as is the CD/ DVD rom, at very least I've never come across a hard drive that damages new motherboards regardless of faults. I have however come across RAM and Video cards that did. The difference being that they plug directly into the main BUS, which puts them in a greater posistion to do harm.

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Lordcorm
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Posted: 12th Oct 2006 21:38
True... Where is the best place to get parts? I use NewEGG is there any other better place... or should i just get an alienware?

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Posted: 12th Oct 2006 21:42 Edited at: 12th Oct 2006 21:43
If you have the cash, Alienware do have a good reputation. I personaly buy all my stuff from DABS.COM, I've priced up whole systems on dabs using their wish list, and can usually save a couple of hundred on any alienware system (depending of the system in question) on the other hand alienware do offer onsite support and warranties. No offence intended, but if you think running a eraser over a static sensitive device is a good idea, I'd say you need the extra support, and peice of mind of a warrenty.

I am basing this on out of date knowledge mind you, Dell recently purchased Alienware I beleive, and they don't have such a good rep, it depends on how much they've interfered with Alienware stuff.

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Lordcorm
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Posted: 12th Oct 2006 21:45
Man this sucks that was my dads computer too im going to die!

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Lordcorm
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Posted: 12th Oct 2006 22:59
I just talked to my local computer store and there is good news and bad news the good new is: it mite be my powersupply and if it is im ok just replace that, bad news: if it isnt my power then its screwed

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Matt Rock
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Posted: 13th Oct 2006 03:20 Edited at: 13th Oct 2006 03:22
My old Alienware rocked the Casbah, but I don't know how they are now that Dell bought them out. But yeah, they make seriously rockin' gaming systems and the prices compete with home-built systems. If you don't need that much horsepower, I've heard decent things about HP's recently, and their prices will probably drop because of all the scandalous stuff in the news. When it comes to preB's those are the ones I'd suggest.

I've never seen a power supply cook under those conditions, and I can't imagine why it would based on the information you've given us. You probably shorted something as Rich suggested. I don't rubbing an eraser on RAM would short it out, but then again I've seen stranger stuff. Did you rub the eraser on the contacts? Take the RAM out and look at the contacts to see if there's still stuff on them. If there is, that would be a pretty good clue as to what went wrong I think Using an eraser on something simple like a mouse charger or a cell phone charger, those contacts are a bit sturdier than RAM contacts so it works. But RAM is contained in a tight slot so it's pretty unlikely that the contacts would get dirty.

Who told you to rub an eraser on the RAM? Find that person and sue them for damages to your computer I've never heard of that as being a solution to fixing memory issues... if anything it's pretty dangerous.

In the future, you might want to do things in stages. Say you get RAM, a video card, and a sound card... do each thing one at a time. Super-advanced PC builders might try to put more than one thing in at once, but extra-precautious people like me always do it one at a time, testing between items just to be safe. In the future you should consider doing that, taking your time to avoid problems like this


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Lordcorm
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Posted: 13th Oct 2006 04:45
well my local computer company called and it was the motherboard! But, the good news is it didnt fry anythang else (weird haw).

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Kenjar
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Posted: 13th Oct 2006 19:41
not really, lucky is the word.

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Posted: 13th Oct 2006 20:56
I would say "extremely lucky" but eh


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Posted: 13th Oct 2006 23:10
Naw, extremely lucky is having everything work, dispite smoke. Lucky is just having to replace the motherboard, unlucky is having to buy a brand new PC.

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