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soapyfish
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Posted: 16th Oct 2006 01:33 Edited at: 15th Nov 2006 02:10
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Hi all,
I havn't been able to find a download link for the Mac version of Internet Explorer since Microsoft stopped supporting it but I want to be able to test websites in Internet Explorer on my Mac.

I know there's a few sites out there that allow you to see how your site would appear in any browser but I was wondering if anybody knew of a downloadable app or perhaps even a firefox extension that would let me do the same, or at least see how much IE would ruin it.

If there's another method, or maybe a download link for mac IE I don't know about then I'm all ears. I'm using a PPC mac if it makes any differece.

Thanks in advance.

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You can use Darwine (think it comes with MacOSX as standard now) to just use Windows 9x/XP executables as if they were on Windows.

I'd suggest downloading IE6 (full installer) for Windows 9x, as it'll have the best chance of running under Wine.

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Internet Explorer 5.2 is about the latest for MAC OSX

Microsoft have stopped support for it.

http://www.microsoft.com/mac/products/internetexplorer/internetexplorer.aspx?pid=internetexplorer

however if you own a mac you will know about versiontracker.
http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macos/2904

darwine is not completed yet, OSX uses a different technology on Intel machines for emulation called rosetta iirc.

http://www.apple.com/rosetta/

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Didn't IE come pre-installed? I'm pretty sure mine did, not sure if it was there before I upgraded to Tiger.

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nope

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You could always get Parallels & a copy of XP/2000/98 or something...

My first iMac (of a total of 3) will be coming in the next few days - quite looking forward to it...

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You know what you could do, is download and install Windows XP Embedded.

To install the developer edition you'll need a Windows XP/2000 system, but you can build out to any system format. Remember building a version for my old G4, just to see if it was possible.

Comes with a program that allows X86 code to be converted to system specific when an app is installed; but only when using Windows Installer.

Installer 3.0 does that for Vista too, cause they originally planned it to be system non-specific.

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This might sound stupid - but why would anyone in their right mind be using IE for the mac still? FF is free... OSX comes with Safari... In fact... Everything any anything is better than a browser microsoft spewed out and no longer support (you know it must be bad is M$ just stopped supporting it).

Why not find a CSS MacIE specific hack which displays a get firefox icon. You could even link it into a google adsense account and make a few dollars out of it.

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mac IE 5.2 is the last bastion of OS9 users.
2% or so of browsers.

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I was gonna ask the same thing Nic, but if you read the first post he wants it to test how his webpages will look within IE.

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He obviously has a Mac, and wants to make sure his pages run the same on Explorer. To be honest the differences in what FireFox and IE6 support are minimal, it's more about the way they do them.

Neither are particularly XHTML Compliant, let alone even close to CSS compliant. IE7 seems to be the closest browser yet, but until everyone switches over to Vista; that'll probably be a minority.

This said, if it does run in IE5 then it'll look identical in IE6. The difference between the two is minimal when it comes to what they allow website wise.
Most of this will no doubt come down to visuals really.. if in doubt then just upload a site and/or allow your ISP to be viewable online (with HTTP access) that way you can ask someone with a Windows PC to check for you and report any issues.

I've found the most common issues end up being DIV, Tables and CSS Fonts. Everything else seems to work the same.
If in doubt, just move to Flash... works identically in all browsers

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Firefox not CSS compliant? I know its not 100% but its near as dammit isn't it?
IE(6) is just plain terrible in terms of CSS. It breaks nearly every rule in some way.

IE7 comes out today doesn't it?

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IE7 beta has issues with remark code in css files at the moment.

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lmao - ah nice!

Does IE7 suffer the same bug where if you have empty div's then they default their height to that of the line-height. To solve it you put a HTML remark in it, eg instead of:
<DIV style="height: 2px; background-color: #AAA;"></div>
you'd do...
<DIV style="height: 2px; background-color: #AAA;"><!-- --/</div>

Obviously, this is an IE6 bug - FF doesn't require the remark. The remark just makes IE think there is some content in the div.

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I haven't been able to get DIV tags appear the same in all browsers yet. So I just chose to not support FF cause I hate it. I hate IE also, but at least it loads up a lot quicker.

I think I read that Opera was the most compliant browser to date.

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And Safari

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Quote: "So I just chose to not support FF cause I hate it"


Why? Whats wrong with it? From what I've seen - its about the most obediant browser I've used...

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except its the slowest browser i've used. I haven't used the most recent version, maybe they've finally sped up the load time.

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Not really...

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It used to be fast - but its a little slow sometimes now. Thing is - the time you lose per-page is so small compared to the time gained from all the usefull addons for it!

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Which are ?

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Personally...
Web Developer (Realtime CSS Editing, Element Information, Page Header Responses, Window Resizing, and more)
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FasterFox (sometimes makes pages load quicked by making more connections to the server. Some servers limits connections per IP and it also might not make a difference depending on your connection type)

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i dont have a need for any of those. And using IE inside of FF seems rather pointless.

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a few there i couldn't live without

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Quote: "Why? Whats wrong with it?"

That fact that it SUCKS.

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Quote: "That fact that it SUCKS."

Nicely backed up with irrefutable facts hehe...

Personally I just find Firefox a better browser and I feel more confident in it that I do in IE.

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Quote: "Nicely backed up with irrefutable facts"

I thought I would do it in the style of a firefox fanboy.

Quote: "Personally I just find Firefox a better browser and I feel more confident in it that I do in IE."

As do I.

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Quote: "firefox fanboy"


Closely related to the Mac Fanboy?

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Quote: "Closely related to the Mac Fanboy?"

No idea.

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Quote: "Closely related to the Mac Fanboy?"

He's on holiday...

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Don't worry, when our resident Mac fanboy (indi) is gone, we can rely on his understudy (OSX Using Happy Dude) to take his place

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And for those wondering what OS X looks like, I thus present this picture.

Brought the next iMac - one more to go, probably at the end of the month.

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nice one jeku

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Ordered my second Mac - the third and final one will be ordered late this month or very early next month.

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How many Mac's you need?!

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I was about to ask the same question.

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I thought it was pretty clear.
Quote: "the third and final one"

He blatantly needs three
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I need 3. My sisters keeping with Winsnooze, so her's is waiting until next year.

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Thanks for the help everyone (although the most obvious solution would be for Happy Dude to send me one of his Intel Macs) it was much appreciated.

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Quote: "(although the most obvious solution would be for Happy Dude to send me one of his Intel Macs) it was much appreciated.
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Send me £799, and I will...

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I've installed FF 2.0 and its much more responsive, quite usable now. I still don't like how I can't choose a location on each file I download nor that I can't open from location.

And before ppl jump on Happy for having 3 computers, how many of us here really only have just 1 computer? Alright fellow nerds, that's what I thought!

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It solves squabbles over who gets to use the computer. Plus if one does fail, at least there will be two left for use.

Plus, the other advantage - networked games...

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The advantage I see is easier to create network programs.

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That too.

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£799 for a mac book pro 17"... sounds too good to be true

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Mac Book Pro's are more than that...

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Sorry - i didn't realise there were more posts on page 2. The Newest Post thing didn't work! I know mac books are more than that - but when you said you'd give up a mac for £799 you never specified which TYPE of mac

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