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The Real 87
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Ok this may not be the right place to post this, but I am hitting up all the forums I go to.

I'm leaving for bootcamp (USMC) in a few months, and when I get out I'm going to have a little nest egg of about $70k to buy a car. I want to get an older Ferrari but I can't choose which one. What do you guys think? For that price range what would you recomend?

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it doesn't have to be a ferrari, anything that just screems "Ladies, get in" will work.

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Posted: 17th Oct 2006 01:35 Edited at: 17th Oct 2006 01:42
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I'm not 100% on this, but I think Ferrari's are a prestige club and unless you get a really knackered old banger, you can't just go buying one. Basically, you have to be someone. It's a bizarre concept, but if you walked into a ferrari showroom flashing your cash, AFAIK they wouldn't sell you one, especially if they knew you were a marine. Maybe that's complete hearsay, but that is what I've heard. It's like you have to get character references, or something.

Get a Porsche. While I don't really like porsches, because you can get a lot more bang for your buck elsewhere, all ladies know what a porsche is. They will swoon at the badge, even if it is a rear heavy, oversteering, tired old formula sports car. Eh, ok, they're not bad at all. They are decent cars, but you're paying for the badge. Then Dazzag will pull up next to you at the lights in his ScoobyDoo, and leave you eating his dust, while still having a lot of cash left in his wallet and not worrying too much about the next service. I would do the same in my Skyline .... if I had it yet. Mind you, I dont think either of those cars are widely available in the US, if at all. Probably because they're good. No, it's something to do with your performance regulations or something. I think it's a way of preventing the Japanese import market from killing off the competion with superior cars.

Porsche 911


Dazzag in his Scooby


Me in my Skyline GTR (One day)



You could get a Dodge Viper (RT10 maybe). Vipers get respect from man and woman, and obviously an 8litre engine is just plain lunacy. And a brand new one used to cost about $60k, so no doubt a second hand one now will be much lower. Or perhaps a Ford GT. I mean, you only get about 1 mile to the gallon (in free-fall), but they look damn good. That'd get girls pretty excited, and because you can only drive for 20 miles before filling up again, you have plenty of excuses to pull into a quiet lay-by and ....

Dodge Viper GTS (Drool)


Ford GT





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Posted: 17th Oct 2006 05:09 Edited at: 17th Oct 2006 05:10
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Fallout is partially right. To own a Ferrari Enzo, you have to pass a Ferrari qualification course, you have to have previously owned two Ferraris. But anyone can buy a Ferrari if they can afford it... just not an Enzo.

But Ferrari's are VERY expensive. Even used you're looking at over $100k, and it's highly unlikely you'll find one in poor condition. And maintenance? Off the scales, and unless you can afford to spend about $10k every single year keeping it in mint condition, a Ferrari is (no offense) out of your league. But you can get a 2006 Ferrari F430 for about $175,000 (USD)... just keep the maintenance bills in mind. Also, Ferrari's aren't comfortable cars... not in the least. They're designed more for speed than for good looks (even though they're gorgeous), and comfort is the least important thing that Ferrari keeps in mind when building a car.

You can get a Lotus Elise for around $50k (usd). They're far prettier than any of the cars Fallout listed (no offense fallout) and WAY faster, too.

Here's a good question, before I depart: can you handle an exotic sports car? Not that I'm saying you're a bad driver or anything, but have you ever driven a car like a Ferrari before? It's not even remotely the same as a fast "street car" and not nearly as simple as it might look. Safety should be a top priority for anyone buying one of these cars, and they're more for the affectionado of high performance exotics than they are guys who want to meet babes.

NOTE: Most women who want you because you have a Ferrari don't care about much else than your wallet. Keep that in mind before you go picking up chicks in one. Oh yeah, and no back seat

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Posted: 17th Oct 2006 08:38 Edited at: 17th Oct 2006 08:39
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There's several Ferrari's you can get easily. I was just at one of the largest Lamborghini dealerships in the nation and, although, I believe the cheapest cars we saw were actually the Vipers, they had a very nice Ferrari Enzo. Too bad you have to prove your skill before you could get one. I don't belive you have to have owned Ferraris previously, but I doubt you'll find a used Enzo for $70k There was a '68 Dart, but no price listed. Rest of the lot had some Bentleys.

Oh, and if you find a cheap Ferrari, make sure its not a Fiero with a kit.


Quote: " They're far prettier than any of the cars Fallout listed (no offense fallout) and WAY faster, too"


I would love a Lotus, but careful how you say faster. I'm sure that Ford GT would smoke it in a strait away, but where lotus really shines is how much faster it'll take turns.


I say get an Jaguar XJR, supercharged V8 400hp. I tried to check out a used one today but they sold it already.


Or get my dream car, a 1970 Challenger!


Other suggestions that you may find under $70k:
- Aston Martin DB7 (used)
- '04 Lambo Gallardo ($40k in Scottsdale, AZ)
- Maserati Spyder (390hp V8)
- Lotus Elise/Exige (new $50k)
- Panoz Esperante (used under $70k)
- Qvale Mangusta (used for under $50k)
- TVR Sagaris (possibly afford a new one)
- BMW 7-series (remember the movie Transporter?)
- Saleen (yea, right)
- Koenigsegg CCR (good luck, 800hp!)
- Vector super car! (looks kinda like a Transformer car)
- Pagani Zonda (only 25/year made)
- Toyota Supra (oh it gets the girls!)
- Mazda RX-7 (find a nice one and it'll be worth even more later)

As a side note, from the ppl I know who've driven Vipers they don't like them at all. Not as peppy as expected and its a rough ride if you're going any slower than at least 100mph

Keep in mind what car insurance will cost you per year. I doubt you'll be able to afford to keep the ferrari or viper. My friend's dad works with a guy who was going to buy a Viper. He's in his 50's and insurance was over $1k a month!

I'd say spend part of it on a nice car and the rest for a down payment on a house.

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For the most bang to the buck, have you considered a "replica"?

It has all the looks but none of the expense of the real thing (although perhaps not quite the unbelievable performance) - to the point that you can actually afford to drive it as your main car.

You can buy brand new "Lambo" from here for 40,000 Euros.

http://www.lamberti.co.uk/index2.htm





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Quote: "Then Dazzag will pull up next to you at the lights in his ScoobyDoo"
Perhaps. But Mine isn't that fast. Probably would be lucky to get 5 secs to 60mph. Which puts it faster than a Porsche boxter S, and somewhere around a 911 Carrera, but forget anything faster. Could put the PPP pack onto it to get about 4.5 secs, but I need to get rid of it soon. Am thinking 350Z, but will probably be slower, and not so fun. Or an Evo.... I like Skylines but they are getting old (ie. they don't make decent ones anymore, only those americanised ones that lack bite).

Oh, and that comment about the Lotus being a lot faster? Erm, nope. Standard Elise is around 5.8 secs. The faster ones are normally in the low 5's, around 5.3 normally, with the nutter Exige (not convertible) around 4.7. But what the Elise normally lacks is speed after 60mph. If I remember rightly mine should get to 100mph in about 13 secs, but the standard Elise takes around 18 secs. What is true though is that they stick to the ground like mustard. Fair enough mine has awesome handling (funny watching BMWs slide around in front of you in the wet when you hardly notice anything) but the Elise is something else. Till you launch it into a tree (lack of anything much more than wheels esp in the older ones).

Note that imperial miles and US miles are very very slightly different. Can't remember by how much...

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Have to talk about that list:-
Quote: "Other suggestions that you may find under $70k:"

- Aston Martin DB7 (used)
- '04 Lambo Gallardo ($40k in Scottsdale, AZ) - An 04 Gallardo???? Was it in a crash? I know we pay a *lot* more than anyone for cars, but no chance there...
- Maserati Spyder (390hp V8) - No comment
- Lotus Elise/Exige (new $50k) - Fair enough.
- Panoz Esperante (used under $70k) - No comment
- Qvale Mangusta (used for under $50k) - Ditto
- TVR Sagaris (possibly afford a new one) - Oh yes. Not new though. Not in this country I don't think. Even though we build them....
- BMW 7-series (remember the movie Transporter?) - Yuck. Get the ladies? Spit...
- Saleen (yea, right) - Whatever
- Koenigsegg CCR (good luck, 800hp!) - For under $70k?.....
- Vector super car! (looks kinda like a Transformer car) - Err...
- Pagani Zonda (only 25/year made) - You do know the price of these things? In the UK it's something like $500,000.
- Toyota Supra (oh it gets the girls!) - Always loved it. Lovely car. And even though the auto is a little slow (5.5secs to 60mph) you will hit it every time. Gotta hate autos (just buy a deisel estate and be done with it grandpa) but I'm starting to hate traffic now with my daily commute
- Mazda RX-7 (find a nice one and it'll be worth even more later) - Bit old now and never quite achieved that "look". Try the RX-8 for a more modern look.

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BTW, I just looked up an 04 Gallardo on Autotrader. It is a very large database of cars in the UK. Cheapest is £75k. Thats about $135,000. I know we get screwed in this country, but c'mon $40k?

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Posted: 17th Oct 2006 16:29 Edited at: 17th Oct 2006 16:32
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You can still get an '02 skyline R34 GTR. Not too old, and if its an import, it'll have pathetically low milage, and obviously be speed limited, so not ragged. Performance would be similar to what you've got now then. 0-60 is about 5 to 5.2 secs depending on where you get your stats and 0-100 quoted as 13 secs. Obviously 4WD too. I'd imagine it'd be quite a lot like the Subaru. I prefer the look of Skylines, and having gone through about 15 iterations, you just know it has had plenty of time to mature.

Or, wait till 2008 and get the new model. It's a complete overhaul of design, but I'm warming to it. I dont think I'll warm to the price tag very quickly, but I reckon it'll be mean.








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There was a young military fellow a while back at Fort Hood Texas that won a Dodge Viper. Nowhere near a Ferrari IMO, but a fast sports car nonetheless.

He had to sell it because his insurance payments were nearly what the car note would have been. It's going to be way too expensive while you're young. There's no sense in wasting $70 grand + a mortgage payment in insurance every month. I'd get a decent car, and use that money for something that will last, like starting some kind of business, real estate, or some other type of investment.


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Eh, we know he won't actually buy it Cash. It's just a good excuse to talk about cars. I've been talking about getting a Skyline for 2 years. Gimme another 5 and I'll have one.


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Why would you guys be willing to shell out some much extra cash for an over-the-top pimp mobile just for the sake of status?

Maaan, I don't need no Ferrari. Gimmi a god damn Moped.

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Because it leaves people in the dust. But more importantly than that something like a Ferrari pretty much means you never have to "try" ever again. Bit like fishing with bombs. You know what I mean. Fair enough you may not meet the love of your life because of it, and of course love makes the world go round, but we are talking until you meet Ms Right. Oh yes. On a list of cars I was looking at once a Supra actually had "attracts women better than money - beat them off with a stick!" on it's private advert. Gotta love that.

And they aren't pimp mobiles (look at [url]www.barryboys.co.uk[/url] for tossers who pimp up shopping trolleys and your grans car). Most of what we are talking about is Italian exotica (nothing beats Italian really) and nutter Japanese rally cars. And if you are thinking American pimp mobiles then they don't count as they can't go round corners...

Quote: "Gimmi a god damn Moped."
In this country you are either french, italian, a bird, or gay. Sorry, those are the rules.

Quote: "You can still get an '02 skyline R34 GTR"
Yeah, it was on my list at the time. But couldn't justify it. Bit too old now (can't have a car older than 6 years for company allowance) though. Any geek would love those G-forces charts they had appearing on the centre console. Yep, powerslide it round a roundabout to try and get it in the red

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Posted: 17th Oct 2006 20:56 Edited at: 17th Oct 2006 20:57
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Oh, and what a Noble BTW? A TVR is a bit "kill me tomorrow", but the Noble is pretty cheap, looks awesome, and goes like a bat out of hell. Without killing you easily or breaking down all the time (TVR).



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Posted: 17th Oct 2006 21:26 Edited at: 17th Oct 2006 21:27
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I love the TVR Sagaris and for looks, it certainly does the trick:



And they're not too expensive for what you're getting either: £50,000 or there abouts.

There's someone selling one here for £47995:

http://www.desperateseller.co.uk/CommonFiles/showCarClient.asp?vendor=104701&orderID=AETV785210&Make=TVR&Model=SAGARIS&Body=Coupe&Colour=Orange%20Metallic&RegYear=2006&Mileage=950&Price=47995&showheader=1

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You just need to make sure you have some tape and epoxy resin to start gluing bits back on when they fall apart. They do Mach3, but have bodyshells stuck together with chewing gum and components that they were going to stress test, and then just went down the pub instead!

TVRs are awesome, but reliability .....


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Noble M15, beautiful new british supercar.
http://www.noblecars.com/M15.html

I don't know how much it is stateside, but here in the UK you can pick one up for ~£55,000.. out performs the Lamborghini Murcellio(sp?) but doesn't have quite the same top-speed and that's from stock.

That's something I'd suggest for getting the ladies as they're built to order like Lamborghini, Ferarri and Beugati
So you'll always end up with something that's unique for you.

Porsche have started doing that too thinking about it.
Another good car is the Mercedes CLK, though might be just out of your price range. This does all depend on what sort of car you like the look of and drive.

I prefer FR cars personally, but most of my mates like FF/MR/4WD so they generally are stuck with street cars.
Subaru Imprezza (even modded) vs Porsche Cayman (stock) isn't really a competition at all.. most street cars are pathetic performance wise, unless you take out the luxury features from them.

Although this years Mitsubishi Lancer is damn good.

[edit] Good luck at bootcamp... there's like a 75% drop-out rate for the Marines. ^_^
Once did a 7-day trainer course with the SAS (it was a punishment from my NCO), ended up being pure hell. Not something I'd personally want to do given the chance. Too much endurance training, although I did like the combat execersises.

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Quote: " there's like a 75% drop-out rate for the Marines"

Hahaha! No there's not! Don't you ever check your facts? You can't 'drop out' of the Marines. I don't know what you dropped out of, maybe it was the Jedi Academy


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Dude, he makes all this crap up off the top of his head all the time. Training with the SAS? Most soldiers would kill to be given an opportunity to train with the SAS. It would be punishing, but it would be far from a punishment.


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Quote: "[edit] Good luck at bootcamp... there's like a 75% drop-out rate for the Marines. ^_^
Once did a 7-day trainer course with the SAS (it was a punishment from my NCO), ended up being pure hell. Not something I'd personally want to do given the chance. Too much endurance training, although I did like the combat execersises."


This has 'combat experience' all over it

At least they gave you a lightsaber. And a computer. And a whole pack of LIES!!!!

Sorry guys, I'm done. I figured Raven wouldn't reply, so I had to draw first blood.


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Quote: "Hahaha! No there's not! Don't you ever check your facts? You can't 'drop out' of the Marines. I don't know what you dropped out of, maybe it was the Jedi Academy"



Well that little fact was from my mate who was in the Marine Corps when I joined the RAF. According to the Marines website they "traditionally fail" 15%, but given they also state 17,000 go through a year with a total of 2,000 recruits a day. Well then you do the math and decide which sounds more plausable.
They might not call it drop-out, but as far as I'm conserned if you leave (which you're free to at anytime of training) or break under training and are kicked out... then that makes you a drop-out in my books.

Quote: "Dude, he makes all this crap up off the top of his head all the time. Training with the SAS? Most soldiers would kill to be given an opportunity to train with the SAS. It would be punishing, but it would be far from a punishment."


I'd suggest you ask more servicemen about if they'd want to join the SAS/Commando/Marines. Think you'll probably be surprised at the response you get. It's only really infantry that get all worked up about joining those divisions.. When you're a pilot, doing what they do and going through what they do, honestly is about as appealing as having to muck out horses. Even more so when they've been told to go harder on you because you're on report.

Doing complete days of training with the only breaks being meals (which I'd end up throwing up about an hour later) going from 5am to 11pm which doesn't include the time each morning to get up, wash, dress and make sure your bunk is 100% spotless before inspection.

Oh and let's not forget the last 3 days were a field exercise, where we couldn't sleep and had nothing but a couple of rations to survive on. If you failed the exercise, they'd take you back and force you to do constant training for the remainder of the exercise.. literally you passed out, they'd get the medic to get you to come to and force you to keep going.

I mean if that sounds like you're sorta fun then go for it. To me it was truely hell.

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Raven, you're an idiot. Okinawa has thousands of Marines. I've talked to a ton of them. You have no idea what you're talking about. You cannot quit the USMC. You cannot drop out of the USMC. If you get hurt, the recycle you into another class. Recycled Marines aren't that many. It's similar to Army boot camp in that regard.

I didn't know you had military experience under your belt as well. Oh wait, you DON'T.

Hey, I'll be in Germany in 10 months, so I'll swing by your place when I'm vising the UK and we can exchange war stories.


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cash is that a picture of you

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@Eureka Seven -
Oh my, no. I'm a rather handsome fellow. That's Raven.


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Is it realy?

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you could buy half a f430 with that cash
http://www.autobytel.com/content/research/detail/Ferrari.htm

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Yea thats not Cash, we've seen him before, he's quite the stud. just dont ask to see whats under the eye-patch.


I forgot all about Noble. I picked TVR strictly based on looks and performance. No idea what their reliability is like. I'm not even sure if you can get one in the states.

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You're welcome to drop by wherever I am in 10months time, probably be mostly you talking though as most of my stories are from training. Saw more live combat in training than i did in the time I was assigned somewhere. Still irritates me why I was taken of flight duty.

Think the most interesting story I have is why I was discharged. Although my dad still chews me out for it, cause I was the only one of my brothers who joined up with one of the services.

As for the TVR, they're interesting cars. Seen a few when I was state-side.. quite popular for people who like quirky cars. Chicks seems to be drawn more towards the big names even they know of though.
Viper, Porsche, Ferrari, Lamborghini, etc..

This said, I've found more girls actually love the Classic American Muscle over those sports cars.

Pontiac GTO, Ford Mustang GT500, etc.. imo they are absolutely beautiful cars, especially when properly restored and modded.

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Bah, convertible Ferraris. People who buy a Ferrari because (A) they want to meet girls, (B) they're going through a mid-life crisis, and/ or (C) they want to show everyone how rich they are, there should be a law against them owning cars like that. Ferrari doesn't make cars and race their fast ones like most other companies (ahem, the afforementioned Lotus which I brought up, or BMW, which I wouldn't bring up ever )... Ferrari sells cars commercially so they can fund their racing efforts, and with that level of love for pavement comes the responsibility of Ferrari owners to treat them like race cars... not fornication-mobiles. But eh, maybe that's just me

To own an Enzo you have to have owned two Ferrari's previously, or Ferrari will refuse to sell you one. If you purchase an Enzo, it's for life... sell it to someone else and Ferrari will never, ever sell you another Ferrari, nor will they provide maintenance for pre-existing Ferrari's that you'd purchased in the past. You also need to take a series of advanced racing (not driving, but racing) courses, each with tests, or again, Ferrari won't sell you one. Contact Ferrari if you feel the need to confirm this, because that's what I had to do when someone told me this and I thought it was BS. They're insane about that car (and imo, far too protective of it, although I guess I can understand it... an Enzo is an extremely hardcore piece of machinery and a novice (like me or most of us on these forums) would more than definitely make it explode. Leave the Enzos to Michael Schumacher

My dream car list is relatively short, but I'd love to own just one of these:

- Ferrari F430
- Lotus Elise
- Bugatti EB110
- Aston Martin DB7 (not a big Vanquish fan, not sure why)
- Mazda RX8 (what list is complete without a "cheapie" hehe)


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Cash Curtis II
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Posted: 18th Oct 2006 11:59 Edited at: 18th Oct 2006 12:07
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I love a good gas guzzling muscle car in much the same way I like my porn stars - from an inexpensive distance. Anyone's attempt to own either one will meet with disaster, because you cannot truly own either. They will own you, sucking out your soul and all of your money in the process. In the brief time that that are doing so you sure look cool, but all you're left with in the end is some photos.

I could never justify an expensive car as an expense unless I had millions, because there are so many better ways to use the money. Almost all of those ways would help me get more money.

They're only really meant for rock stars, because a rock star can ditch either without it being the end of the world.


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Fallout
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Posted: 18th Oct 2006 12:10
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Ahh, but you're a wise old ex-army bloke with kids to feed and a wife to nag you relentlessly. I will have more disposable income and fewer commitments when I finally start working, so a plush car during this time is one of my goals. I'll be sure to swap it for a second hand volvo estate when I have kids. Besides, Skylines have good fuel economy and reliability when driven sensibly. And I've never been a boy racer. Use the power when you need to, and the rest of the time, 90mph is perfectly fine.


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Posted: 18th Oct 2006 18:29
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Just done a bit more digging on the R35 skyline. Good news for your americanos is that it'll be available in the US. Estimated V6 3.5Litre twin turbo, 450HP. 0.60 in under 4 seconds, approx 180mph top speed. Probably padal shifted semi auto. They're aiming to compete with the new 911 Turbo and no doubt it'll be a lot cheaper. I'm saying the pennies now. I'll have one by 2020!!!


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I'm looking at the new Supra. Apparently it has been ready for ages but they are waiting on Toyota winning a race in F1 so they can have a launch platform. Dunno what it is with Toyota recently. They had some awesome cars with the MR2 (looked like a mini Ferrari at the time for god sake, and the imported turbo one was tops), Cellica (esp. that fast rally one), and Supra (esp. the British top spec manual gearbox with bonnet bump thingy). Now they have the boxey jeep shaped MR2, Cellica (reshaped like box with more edges), and... ermmm..... lots of generic boringomobiles. Sigh...

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Posted: 18th Oct 2006 18:49
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My parents had a Toyota Rav4 aswell. Crappy little cutsey 4x4. It's the sort of thing you buy your daughter if you're rich and she owns a poney, and she's extremely overweight. They eventually got rid of it and got a Nissan XTrail, which to be fair, is a decent 4x4 for the range its in and looks the part. I used to hate Nissan because of the Micra which, for me, isn't even a girls car ... it's awful. Now I'm starting to like them again, and their performance range is pretty sweetage!

I've not even seen the new Supra. I should take a look. Unfortunately a new car of this calibre is a bit out of my realistic price range, as I dont fancy commiting to 5 years of finance. The same goes for the R35 but I suppose these are cars that'll be out in the next 1-3 years, and then have a good 2-5 year run and have plenty of second hand models available in years to come.


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Posted: 18th Oct 2006 18:54
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I was kidding about the moped bit, but calling me French is going abit too far.

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Dazzag
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Quote: "I was kidding about the moped bit, but calling me French is going abit too far"
Ang on, you are Canadian aren't you? Isn't that practically american with onions and garlic around your neck? Mwahahahaha....

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