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Joe Cooning
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Posted: 19th Oct 2006 04:14
For those of you who remember Joel, who left the forums a couple of months ago, I will soon be going the same way he did. I just recieved my mission assignment from the LDS Church. I will be going to the Argentina Buenos Aires North Mission. I enter the MTC(Missionary Training Center) January 10.
For those of you not familiar with the LDS faith, at around the age of 19, the young men normally apply to serve a mission. This is where you go to some other place and try to introduce others to the LDS faith (we're those guys with the black nametags and suits that you see knocking at your doors). We also do a lot of service and such. (For those wanting to know more about the LDS faith, check out http://www.lds.org or http://www.mormon.net).
If you have any questions, let me know, but remember, I'm just letting you know because this is a big thing for me, and I don't want this to turn into a big religious debate or bible bash.

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Well, congrats


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Posted: 19th Oct 2006 04:30
Cool deal! Two of my friends are in the MTC right now, and one is going in early January as well I think.

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Posted: 19th Oct 2006 04:45
@hawkeye: Thanx!
@Izzy545: So you're LDS too? Where are you friends going?

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When I was in high school, a few of my friends left for this. They said it was a great experience, and they enjoyed it very much.

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Posted: 19th Oct 2006 05:42
have a great time, do a bunch of missions

formerly KrazyJimmy

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Posted: 19th Oct 2006 06:04
Two of my friends are going to Russia. Samara and Moscow missions, and the other is going to Calgary, Canada. Oh and my other buddy got his call a little while ago. He's going to Omaha, Nebraska.

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Posted: 19th Oct 2006 07:18
I'm a native of Salt Lake City. I was baptised mormon but I dont practice. But I know what a big deal a mission is so congrats!

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Posted: 19th Oct 2006 08:35
This is creepy. What does LDS stand for? I knew a guy who played BF with me online, and he was in the "LDS" and went on "missions" in a foreign nation... what exactly are these "missions?" To an agnostic outsider it looks kinda... I dunno... strange. If it's a church and they're typical recruitment drives like Catholics do, then fine, but it seems as though they're treated like some kind of crazy covert thing lol. And zerk just said that missions are a "big deal," which makes me wonder as well. And come on, LDS? That sounds less like a church and more like some crazy covert bureau, like CIA or MI5


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Posted: 19th Oct 2006 08:57 Edited at: 19th Oct 2006 08:58
Congratulations on realising that you are a moron.

I'm just kidding (I'm so funny aren't I ). Good luck, and have fun. Convert many people.

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Posted: 19th Oct 2006 09:07 Edited at: 19th Oct 2006 09:15
LDS = Latter Day Saints.

The Mormon church is the Church of Jesus Christ and Latter Day Saints.

Heres everything you wanted to learn about the Mormon church.
http://www.lds.org/

Here is everything you DON'T want to know about the Mormon church.
http://www.mormoncurtain.com/
(*WARNING* This is about one persons belief of the church so enter at your own risk. It's my buddies site so I have to plug it. )

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Posted: 19th Oct 2006 09:10
Matt> It's not exactly covert. They're not "missions" you go on a mission, i.e. going somewhere to preach the church doctrine for 2 years.

I guess it could sound a bit strange to outsiders.

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Posted: 19th Oct 2006 15:15
Quote: "I guess it could sound a bit strange to outsiders."
And people who have been in a cave for hundreds of years I mean who hasn't heard of religious missions?

Not bothered about the religious bit, but anything to see the world a bit when you are young if you ask me. Awesome stuff. If you get to go to Patagonia then if you see a more European person try talking a bit of Welsh. Something like "chi yn saesneg mochgyn" will do. I'm a bit rusty but they would love that line. Half of my family went there a few decades ago (I found out the other day) and there is a lot of welsh settlers there.

Have fun.

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Posted: 19th Oct 2006 15:30 Edited at: 19th Oct 2006 15:34
Cool! [Edited because it seemed odd] Hope you have good luck with your message(even though i don't believe in some of the stuff you guys do). My parents do mission work in asia which is cool for me because i get to see more of the world. Hope you make the best of your trip.

edit: you know if you switch the d and the s then you get something totally different.

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Posted: 19th Oct 2006 15:59
Thanx everyone.

@Matt Rock: There's nothing covert about it, though oddly enough, LDS missionaries often are mistaken for goverment agents (like CIA and FBI). I think it's the fact that we are foreigners that travel in pairs and always wear suits.

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Posted: 20th Oct 2006 05:36
I know about religious missions, but why is it an "honor" to go on one? Can't you just, I dunno... get on a plane, fly somewhere, and try to convert them? Do you really need to be hand-selected to do it? The way people make it sound, I'm expecting them to get a dossier, a mission brief, sun glasses, an Aston Martin, and a Berreta with a supressor screwed onto it

I don't know much about the Mormons, just what's been on the news lately about that guy with a zillion wives, but Anderson Cooper said he wasn't really a mormon, he was a break-off, Kool-Aid-cult leader with his own interpretation of mormonism. Oh, and that HBO show "Big Love" that my girlfriend watches all the time, I think they're mormon, but I never watched it with her.

This is why I should get into a religion: I could go on trips! You're going to Argentina and really, the only reason you're going is because you belong to a "group." I need to be in a group But I don't like the groups that are out there, and I can't start my own group without people thinking I'm a loon, so I guess I'll need to pay for my own airfare. Blast!


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Posted: 20th Oct 2006 06:05
Quote: "I know about religious missions, but why is it an "honor" to go on one? Can't you just, I dunno... get on a plane, fly somewhere, and try to convert them? Do you really need to be hand-selected to do it?"


You can do that, but it'd be awful difficult, financially, without the endorsement of the church.

Butanywho. Congratulations, Joe!

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Like Jimmy said, you can just fly down on your own, but wen you do it through the church, you first have to apply. Then the leaders of the Church pick out where you go. When it is down through the Church, it is very organised, and a lot of the complexities and such are taken care of. Also, through the Church, they offer training at places such as the MTC where I am going to in Provo, where they will help you learn the languages and cultures you need to know and help you better understand what you are going to teach.

As for the multiple wife thing, that officially ended in the LDS over a hundred years ago. When it ended, though, others didn't want it too, so they broke off and formed their own group known as the FLDS church (Fundementalist LDS). They live in their own little communities and have their own leaders and such, seperate from the actual LDS Church. Those who are found to practice polygamy within the LDS Church (not FLDS) are excommunicated.

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Posted: 20th Oct 2006 07:54
@Matt - Are you just trying to be funny, or offensive, or both? You can't be daft enough to have never heard of missions, and how it's not about "the trip". As far as I know the LDS church is one of the few religions where they organize this kind of thing. All I know for Christians is it's more of a personal choice of when and if ever to do a missions trip, not really an organized event.

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I've lived my whole life in the shadow of Mormonism, and if I can say one thing about it, it would be that they are good people. When it all boils down to it, Mormonism is really about health, happiness and family values. Which is sorely needed these days. That aspect of Mormons I admire and respect, but the politics of Mormonism I can do without.

Sure there are the occasional crackpots you hear about on the news but what religion is not without it's share of crackpots?

The ideals of Mormonism deal with the teachings of Christ before and after his resurrection. And a mission, is a mission to spread the word of Christ to those that may need it. And to a mormon, being given a mission to spread this word on behalf of the church is a great honor. Consdidering you're a good little boy/girl and eat your vegetables. Unlike a Jehovas Witness, a mormon missionary will leave you alone if you ask them too.

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It's sort of a strange blend of funny and being a moron about religious stuff. I know about missions, but I always thought it was reserved for like, nuns and stuff. The Mormons are the first organization I've heard of where they let regular people go on them. How long do these missions last? But seriously, I don't know much at all about religious missions, other than what I've seen in movies and whatnot. My parents never forced me to go to church or anything... I could be a member of any religion I wanted to be a member of and they wouldn't be angry with my choice, so long as it wasn't something nutty, like satanism or a Kool Aid cult or something like that. If I came home wearing black Nike tennis shoes talking about how cool comets are, they probably would have forced me into an intervention But anything else they'd be cool with. That's probably why I'm agnostic and have my own unique take on religion. But that's also why I don't know much about religious actions, like missions. Just the bare essentials: go on a trip, convert a bunch of people.

Quote: "Unlike a Jehovas Witness, a mormon missionary will leave you alone if you ask them too."

What about other stuff, like the "disfellowship?" Like... if you're a Mormon and you decide to try buddism for a while, can you go back to being a Mormon if you want to? Or what if you break a rule or something... are they forgiving, or do they kick you out? I'm asking because I don't know, not because I'm trying to pick a fight or anything. If the thread was about Jehovah's Witnesses, I would definitely be fighting like my life depended on it. My girlfriend formerly was a member of their organization. I didn't really think much of it, until I found out that for dating me (a non-witness), they were going to "disfellowship" her. Basically, if you break a rule, they kick you out and literally discredit you throughout the organization, and in rural Idaho, that's pretty much her entire town. She owned a business when she lived out there, and lost a large chunk of it, all for dating me. That's when I flipped the rock over and found out about hordes of evil things they do (outlined in that link I posted, that's a rant on my personal site... go there at your own risk and note that it's entirely about religion... I didn't say any of that stuff here because of the AUP). I come from a completely different culture, and when two of those doofus' came to the door when I was visiting, I was sitting in the next room while they basically referred to me as the devil because I wasn't a Witness. One of them noticed I was sitting right there and gave me an "I'm talking about you" look. That ended when I gave him an "I'll ****ing throw you off the balcony and eat what's left off the pavement with a spoon" look. I'm not a very physically-hostile person, but the threat of going to jail and not wanting to scare Sharyn was barely enough to keep me from "injuring" them for that. Anyway, sorry lol, just remembering that made me angry, sorry for blabbing. My question is, are the mormons cool about stuff like that? Like, can a mormon date a non-mormon or is that strictly forbidden? Or if you break some rule or leave for some reason, are they cool about taking you back?


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@Matt - Woah thats a little freaky. I myself am a Christian but i would never do that to anyone in my life. I think that if i started dating someone who isn't a Christian my parents probably wouldn't like it but they would probably allow it unless she was like a drug addict or a witch or something. I don't know about Mormons, because there are some differences between us. Also about missions, if I remember correctly they can last 6 months to like a year or two, but i'm not sure about that.

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Quote: "My question is, are the mormons cool about stuff like that? Like, can a mormon date a non-mormon or is that strictly forbidden? Or if you break some rule or leave for some reason, are they cool about taking you back?"


It is suggested that you date and marry within the church, because you can only marry for eternity, in the temples, with another member. It also reduces conflicts in the relationship and increases your chances to stay with the church yourself. They certainly don't kick people out or ostracize them for it. It just doesn't help your progression in the church, so it's frowned upon as an idea.

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Congrats, just please please please don't become the kind of missionary thats more religion than help, I can't stand them, and as long as you don't throw religion down people throat but offer instead and take no for an answer, because I hate being preached to, then I'm happy for you. Enjoy your training.

Remember as South Park says, Mormon is the only true religion (but then they also dipicted God in a very strange way and said he was Buddhist...)

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Quote: "Remember as South Park says, Mormon is the only true religion"
Yeah, if you took it that way then I think you missed the point on that one. And Moses is that spinny supercomputer from Tron who likes pictures made out of pasta or whatever.

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Quote: "Yeah, if you took it that way then I think you missed the point on that one. And Moses is that spinny supercomputer from Tron who likes pictures made out of pasta or whatever."


And Cartman can fit the Disney Monorail and an Ice Cream van up his rear end. And an ethopian boy can fly a space craft...And poo can talk, dance and sing...So your point being?

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@Matt: A mission lasts two years for men and 18-24 months for women.

As for leaving the church, you can if you want, and you can come back, but there is a whole process to coming back where you need to show that you are ready, willing, and truely wanting to for yourself (letters and interviews with the leaders, etc). As for getting excomminicated, that mostly only happens if you are a member with a higher leadership position (Elder, Bishop, etc) and you, as we say, "go off the deep end". That is, you start doing things purposefully against the church or other stuff such as murder and severe sexual sins (prostitution, having multiple children outside of marraige without a desire to fix the marraige part, practicing homosexual relationships, etc). Most of the time, though, when someone is excommunicated, it is often their own choice. You can come back though, if you can show you have truly repented and desire to return.
Most of the time, though, when someone sins - depending on how severe it is - they work to resolve the problem with their local leader (normally their Bishop), and the church may use some form of discipline as punishment (remove the right to go to the temple for a while or something).

As for dating, as Jimmy said, it is encouraged that you date and marry someone within the Church. This helps avoid uneeded religious conflicts in family and such.

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That's definitely good to know. I don't think I've ever met a mormon, like, I don't think we have any where I live. That disfellowship crap with the witnesses was really bad, it ruined her business and she was basically shamed by everyone she knew, all because she wanted to be with me. And when I was out west visiting her, I always had my guard up, because I wasn't sure how fannatical they were. I was seriously worried some idiot was going to do something insane, like attack us or something, which wouldn't be the smartest thing they can do. I'm no tough guy but I'll bet money I can take down the toughest Jehovah's Witness in the world lol. But anyway, I un-brainwashed her, told her to read the other, real bible, gathered tons of evidence to prove that the Russell guy who founded the Witnesses was a nutcase (and he was), and did everything in my power to prove to her that they're a cult and nothing more, and I'm seriously proud of that. She's sort of "window-shopping" other religions (well, branches of christianity) right now and trying to find one where she's accepted. Anyway, thanks for the info on the mormons. I think I might do some more reading on them, like where they came from and stuff like that.

Enjoy your mission Joe. Don't drink the water!


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No doubt you'll bring up some rather... interesting things about Mormons if you search hard enough. But I don't want to turn this into a religion debate

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I personally think it's a waste of time, as I stated in Joel's thread.

Congratulations on being selected, and enjoy yourself!

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Quote: "I personally think it's a waste of time, as I stated in Joel's thread."


Leave it to Megs to bring a burst of positivity to a thread.

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If anything Meg is a ray of sunlight casting beads of joy and sprinkling happiness everywhere he goes. He's sort of like a pixie high on PCP

By "interesting," without getting to into the political stuff, do you mean like "scientology" interesting, or "I can't believe it's not Christianity" interesting?


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Hey, people create threads to get comments...and bring on the comments I shall!

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Quote: "By "interesting," without getting to into the political stuff, do you mean like "scientology" interesting, or "I can't believe it's not Christianity" interesting?"


I would rather not go into it on this forum

Good luck Joe!

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Oh the "interesting" things or Mormonism...I think Jeku is right. It would be a pain to go into some of these things on these forums.

Thanx for you comments everyone.
Its the best way to waste two years that I can think of

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Quote: "Its the best way to waste two years that I can think of"


I gave that a thought at some point too, but all I could come up with was "college" and "bounty hunting". The first choice seemed more promising in the long run.

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I've already been through two years of college (I'm training to be a bounty hunter)

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I would think of a better way of spending it, what I was going to do with my gap year (but instead am saving up for a comfortable uni life, perhaps I'll do this at the end of the year) is go off to somewhere like Africa to visit the tribes, go on Safari and chase Lions and get eaten by Antelopes

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(*bump*)
Well, it's time and I'm off tomorrow morning. Adios to all of you at the forums, and good luck with whatever projects you may have for the future.

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good luck dude!

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I'm leaving for mine in 26 months... can't wait! Good luck! You'll do great!

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Wow talk about a major bump!

Good luck in Argentina!

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