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spooky
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Posted: 22nd Oct 2006 22:38
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Ok Doctor Who fans, Torchwood starts tonight at 9pm

What is your guess?

a) Brilliant
b) Pants

I have a funny feeling it's gonna be a big pile of pants and I'll be annoyed at wasting nearly two hours of tonight watching it.

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Yeah but how many people thought that about the new Doctor Who?

Still, it will be crap no doubt.

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Posted: 23rd Oct 2006 00:49
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I liked it... Certainly less PG-rated than Dr Who - but its good. It wont be as big-a-hit as Dr Who though.

I also thought the level of swearing and sex references were often uneccessary.

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Wont bother with it - dont agree with it being made. The money should have been spent on Dr Who instead - after all Russel T. Davis has stated that the reason The Doctor wont visit alien planets is because its too expensive to do.

I saw The League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen - it was pretty good actually.

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Posted: 23rd Oct 2006 01:06
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That is a good film. I liked that

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Posted: 23rd Oct 2006 01:09
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Not too bad but think the adult content was probably a step too far. I can imagine lots of kids staying up late to watch it tonight and the parents being gobsmacked at the questionable storyline, specially of the second episode.

Rat Jam.

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Posted: 23rd Oct 2006 01:09
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TLoEG is nicely steampunk, but it wasn't as good as I'd hoped for. I hope that The Prestige will be better.

Can someone tell me though if Captain Jack was as annoying as he was when he was in Doctor Who? He really got on my nerves in that, and I would like to know before I decide if I should give Torchwood a chance.

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Haven't watched Dr Who in years. Not going to start now.

Quote: "I also thought the level of swearing and sex references were often uneccessary."
Ey up? May start watching it now....

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Posted: 23rd Oct 2006 14:04
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I've got it on Sky+ and am going to watch it tonight. Glad to hear they've given it a more adult bend, Dr. Who can be overly 'PC' sometimes.

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Posted: 23rd Oct 2006 16:57
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Everyone at work I've spoken to also thought they went a little OTT with the adult-level content in it.

Supposedly its got something like top 3 all-time viewer numbers for a non-international channel (or something like that).

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Sorry to say this but...
... Torchwood was just embarissing to watch. (As is the new Robin Hood series ) - I'd sack whoever is currently in charge of these BBC productions - they just aren't slick enough. The storylines and scripts look/sound like they were dreamed up by a load of dum marketing executives in a boardroom...

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Posted: 23rd Oct 2006 17:52 Edited at: 23rd Oct 2006 17:53
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Quote: "Ey up? May start watching it now...."


Exactly what I was thinking, although you and I both know when we actually sit down and watch it (not together obviously) the swearing and adult content mentioned will be pittifully poor, and we'll come back to this thread and whinge about the lying toerags and how they wouldn't know what adult content was if a zoom lense and slow motion was used in a certain scene of Basic Instinct.

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Torchwood was just embarissing to watch. (As is the new Robin Hood series"


Yeah, Robin Hood is garbage. There are no really redeeming factors. Poor acting, poor script, totally unfunny light-hearted humour, no tension, cheap sets, drawn out storyline, rubbish character adaptations. It's something I would expect to see on CBBC for kids, but with 15 year olds playing the characters. Rubbarb. Bollocks Broadcasting Corporation if you ask me.


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Is that going to be shown in America? I love Dr. Who but I doubt i'd like a spinoff that doesn't involve him.

I hope Tom Baker does a cameo on the latest Dr. Who... I still miss him.
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Posted: 24th Oct 2006 01:38 Edited at: 24th Oct 2006 01:40
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I watched the first episode of Torchwood. Then spent 10 whole minutes wondering why I hadn't turned off after the first 5 minutes. Talk about a waste of 50 precious minutes of my mortal bear-like existence.

It was, and I mean this with the utmost respect to Russell T Davies, the actors involved and the city of Cardiff, absolute and complete drivel.

I then watched an episode of Firefly (the one where Saffron presents the master crime involving the Lassiter) just to make sure I wasn't being overly harsh. I wasn't. Firefly is a gazillion times better in comparison.

If it wasn't bad enough that RTD has turned the fantastic Doctor Who into some mushy soap opera Earth-bound Cardiff-fixated parody of itself, now he's wasting good licence payers' money on producing utter crap.

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Posted: 26th Oct 2006 00:31 Edited at: 26th Oct 2006 00:34
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Watching this now. I don't like the new Doctor Who. It just seems amateurish and totally uninvolving to me, but this Torchwood has shown me a new standard of low, and now I'll look at Doctor Who as not too bad.

And the sexual and adult references mentioned above aren't even remotely redeeming for comedy value or hot chick eye candy. They just serve to make it even less believable and make the attempt at comedy seem even worse. Utter garbage.

Edit: I especially hate these cheap special effects. Lets stick some gravel on the floor to represent absorbed dead people. If you dont have the budget, dont make a bloody sci fi.


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Heh I don't think the makers of Doctor Who ever followed that philosphy

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Posted: 26th Oct 2006 00:39
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Yeah, but in the early days Sci-Fi was in its infancy, and they were pioneers. These days there're so many others to compare it to. Sci-Fi is definitely one of the few genres that needs a big budget to be good because you need a lot of good quality special effects to make the science convincing.


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Yeah I totally agree, but I think that maybe Doctor Who deliberately played up to it's crapness in a way.

They had awesome CGI as well, but I felt they wanted to keep that... bollocks I can't describe it.

You know, how a lot of the stuff in Doctor Who was just... crap... but good.

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Watched it earlier on BBC2, still stuck with terrestrial here as keep forgetting to buy a freeview box; and the apt. aren't allowed Sat or Cable.

Didn't think it was that bad. Obviously aimed towards a more adult audience (particularly episode 2 lol), but on the whole found it to be quite amusing.

Not going to say it'd ever replace FireFly or Stargate, cause I think both of those are just in their own leagues for TV SciFi (esp. FireFly!!) but Tourchwood did have it's moments.

Only thing that really puts me off it is the main character. Some whiney do-gooder welsh lass.. if it focused more on the team as a whole as the series progress' could actually turn into something good. Even early episodes of Stargate seem quite 'meh' compared to the present season.

I think what makes the best SciFi imo, is the humour. It's why FireFly is so freaking awesome, cause of the chemestry from each of the main characters. Wish there was going to be another season of that, but that said... how would they continue after killing off Wash in Serenity? Would miss the crazy lil coward ^_^

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Quote: "terrestrial here as keep forgetting to buy a freeview box"

Get a LCD DTV - pretty reasonable now.

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cheapest i found with freeview was £250, which was a poxy 15" LCD.
what's worse is you can't get one with digital and HD.

When I next upgrade my TV (which is an LG 32" Widescreen), I'm going to move to a Digital HD-Ready thing with atleast the same size. Getting very tired of the 14" I currently have in my room itself.

It's still way to expensive to buy digital tv's imo.

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They'll probably come down even more next year.

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Freeview boxes are like £20 from tesco.

As for Sci-Fi, I'm still waiting for a good sci-fi series that is similar to the Alien world. By that I mean, nasty old ramshackle fledgling technology. Very very industrial and dark. Stargate does that a bit I suppose, as do these other ones. But I also want some proper dead serious acting and storylines. All these Sci-Fis are light hearted and not particulary serious. Some are pathetically so. Even when faced with certain death, the characters never offer more than a little grimace. It's like they know it's a series and they can't die else it'd be the end.

IMO, there isn't a single Sci-Fi series that has delivered a high level of seriousness and high calibre of acting, nor gone for the primitive industrial technology that you see in alien. I thing Star Trek Next Gen is pretty cheesey, but at least it has always taken itself seriously and put effort into defining characters. Unfortunately, I don't really dig STNG technology. It's too far into the future for me, and they have to come up with incredible ideas for problems they can't solve. With the Alien universe type tech, they can push themselves out into the universe and put themselves in a world of pain, but still have to struggle to get by day to day. I dunno, maybe that'd cost too much.


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Quote: "IMO, there isn't a single Sci-Fi series that has delivered a high level of seriousness and high calibre of acting, nor gone for the primitive industrial technology that you see in alien."


The one thing that keeps both Stargate and Dr. Who popular is the comedy.
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Quote: "Freeview boxes are like £20 from tesco"


My dad got a fairly cheap one, as did a mate and the amount of "Blue Screen" time is more than the original release of Windows 95.

Think I might get that Philips one they have in Argos for £80 sometime next month, has TiVo built-in

Quote: "IMO, there isn't a single Sci-Fi series that has delivered a high level of seriousness and high calibre of acting, nor gone for the primitive industrial technology that you see in alien."


You seen FireFly? It relies heavily on the world being all broken and not exactly hi-tech. Can't say that it's 100% serious, but the acting in it's pretty damn good with some very serious moments.
First episode that's the sort of thing you're after that comes to mind is the one where Serenity blows an important component threatening the lives of the crew. I mean that episode has a handful of moments where you'll smirk but only at single comments. Has a very serious overall storyline; but confusing cause it explains how the crew all met up with flash backs.

I don't believe in these series that are overly serious in what's going on tbh, like say Band of Brothers. Sure it's a war, but even in those sort of situations there's still comedy; it's just how some people deal with given situations and keep sanity.

Like Jarhead, the first half was great; but then the second it becomes super serious and instantly becomes a snoozefest.

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Different strokes for different folks. My fave movies are gut wrenching serious movies. I'm a big war movie fan because they tell a sad story of pain, and provoke thought and understanding for real world events, while still having exciting action. Dumbing that down with token light-hearted moments would ruin it for me.

Aliens is a great movie. Exactly the sort of Sci-Fi I would love to see a series made of. Dead serious action. Terrifying enemy. Great characters in Ripley, Hudson, Riggs, Bishop etc .. all of them actually. The characters make quips and comic statements "stop your grinning and drop your linen" and stuff like that, but only during times when they're safe(ish) and they're always edgey moments. It's there for character development, rather than to make the viewer laugh. The rest of the time they're bricking it, as it should be. I really do not want to laugh when watching a serious Sci-Fi. I want it to be edge of your seat scarey stuff.

They could never turn Aliens into a series though because if you look at the attempts of the newest films, they're not as good as the classic Alien and Aliens. So they couldn't make a series of that calibre. It'd have to be a fresh formula, but I'd love to see a sci-fi centered around a marine corp, with their sort of technology, with plenty of characters dying to keep the tension up. I mean, how can Stargate ever be anything more than a relaxing light-hearted romp when you know everyone is gonna live?

I can't see it ever happening, but I'd just love to see a hardcore adult space marine sci-fi series from the Alien type era/universe. That'd be awesome.


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There is no character in Aliens called Riggs. Your probably thinking of Hicks

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That's the chap. Riggs is Mel Gibson in Lethal Weapon.


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@Fallout

Quote: "It'd have to be a fresh formula, but I'd love to see a sci-fi centered around a marine corp, with their sort of technology, with plenty of characters dying to keep the tension up."


Starship Troopers!

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I was thinking the same thing. I love Starship Troopers(movie). Its true Verhoeven(sp?) style!

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hehe. Fair play, but did you guys miss the bit about ...
Quote: "serious Sci-Fi"

Starship Troopers is entertaining, but about as serious as a clown telling fart jokes.


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I sure missed it, Starship Troopers is anything but serious!

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Babylon 5 has some very good serious episodes.

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If I'm totally honest, I find anything with humanoid aliens deeply unbelievable and tacky ... with the exception of Stargate maybe, because I believe they explained that as all aliens and humans being decendants of the race that placed the star gates? Can't remember if that was the explanation.

It's a dilemma, because the only way you can make a Sci-Fi series is to have humanoid aliens, otherwise it becomes too expensive. The alien in aliens, and the bugs (although funny) in starship troopers are just more convincing. Otherwise it's blatently a method of designing an alien around a suit they can put a man in and ... oh .... now it looks like a man. So we'll have stupid drool glands and random pointless horns on it to try and make it look non-human.

I do like these Sci-Fi programmes and find them entertaining, but you have to choose to suspend you disbelief to get into them. They're not remotely convincing, where as personally I find the Alien world convincing, and the alien itself a convincing predator (even if the acid for blood is quite OTT, it's still believable and possible).


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Dark Skies was also good - especially for the conspiracy nuts amongst these very forums.

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I finally got to watch the first two Torchwood episodes and I have to admit it wasn't half as bad as everyone here made out, I quite enjoyed them really.

I also got to see the first episode of that Stephen Kings Dreamscapes and Nightmares thing. I usually don't go for stuff like that, but the episode was awesome! With William Hurt playing a hit man who knocks-off a toy shop manager, who in turn sends a troop of plastic toy soldiers to kill him. It was great

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I always wondered on the aliens..why dont marines wear their skin and protect themselves from the acid?

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And what would they use to skin the alien with then? A knife?

Oh wait... metal...

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And, wouldn't they get acid on themselves anyway? In AVP, the main character wears an alien head (or something to that effect) and should have dissolved.


Since the other one was scaring you guys so much...
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well the last episode was a step in the right direction, it wasn't overly violent or gory, and it was a mildly interesting storyline, but I suspect most people will think it was too slow. The whole knowing what's going to happen, and discovering how it's really going to happen was quite interesting. The murderer basically tourtured himself in punishment. I'm sure anyone who's had a big secete (no, I've not murdered anyone * stows axe in cupboard *) But it does give me hope for the next episode. Though a cyber converter does leave room for massively gory effects. Dr Who has always left it to the imagination, but I'm a bit worried torchwood won't. I might listen to it rather than watch. Just turn the picture off and treat it as a radio play.

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Have to agree with Rich about that Stephen King episode which I saw last week some time. Great idea, specially the thermonuclear bomb!

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My biggest problem with sci-fi is that you simply don't see enough bears and spaceships and pic-a-nic baskets. More bears in sci-fi please!

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Watch battlestar galactica. They might show bears on Earth

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I miss the days when Dr. Who equaled Tom Baker and the crappy special effects were actually pretty ingenious. Did anyone actually watch the old Dr. Who (aka Tom Baker). Loved it, myself. They were like the first people to use bubble wrap as a prop. Now all these sci-fi shows have computer animation and all this stuff, when it's really all very unnecessary. Also, Stargate SG-1 rocks, mostly because of O'neill's humor.

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