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Geek Culture / Sony destroys Lik-Sang!

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Josh
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Posted: 24th Oct 2006 21:07 Edited at: 24th Oct 2006 21:10
Link: http://www.lik-sang.com/news.php?artc=3901

Digg: http://digg.com/gaming_news/Lik_Sang_com_Out_of_Business_due_to_Multiple_Sony_Lawsuits_2



I think the comments sum it all up...



"I hate you sony! Please come back, Lik-Sang!!!"

"Sony you BASTARDS!!!"

"This is an outrage. An innocent company which provides exceptional service to its customers forced to close by a greedy money-grabbing corporation.

I'll miss you guys."

"that is probably the saddest news I have heard in quite a while, so sorry for all the employees at Lik-sang.com, I hope you all find further employment. I would just like to add a quick thanks for all the great service I have had over the years from you guys. What a great shame. SONY you S##K!!"

"Sony is seriously taking the piss. Boycott $ony!!"



I'm sure you can read the rest for yourselves.

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Posted: 24th Oct 2006 21:19
Shame...


Well I can't boycott sony, because they make cool stuff

I was planning to buy something that lik-sang sold though

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Posted: 24th Oct 2006 21:20
Wow, Lik-Sang names a bunch of top Sony execs who have imported Sony gear from Lik-Sang themselves. Wonder if heads will roll

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Posted: 24th Oct 2006 21:51
Well Sony have just pissed more people off, Sony got the money they need from these dudes, they kept within safety regulations, to me its another company that sells Sony gear to willing and paying customers and I don't see the beef in shutting down a company by suing them enough times, although I would buy on release, I don't think it was nice of Sony to do that, I mean Sony's recent care for customers/etc. has almost made me think 'Screw it, get a 360 and not wait till next year and not pay the extra cost' Thats one customer who doesn't want a 360 thinking that, then there's this whole Wii-360 thing going on.

So I think who said this is right;

Quote: ""This is an outrage. An innocent company which provides exceptional service to its customers forced to close by a greedy money-grabbing corporation."


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Posted: 24th Oct 2006 22:39 Edited at: 24th Oct 2006 22:41
I guess this is what Lik-Sang gets for all the free exposure they gave the PSP.

First Sony slapped it's PSP homebrew community back in the stoneage, then they go after the websites who supported them. I can see why people root for Nintendo.

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Posted: 24th Oct 2006 22:46
GO NINTENDO! YOU ARE SO SEXY!....sorry...This isn't the place for that...there are children about...

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Posted: 24th Oct 2006 23:00
its a shame considering all the retro consoles they sell so you can play your old games on them!

they even have rare spare parts for consoles.

another minus for the ps3 system that i was considering to buy.

that xbox 360 in the corner of the room getting dusty is looking like the major console i'll own for a few years now.

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Posted: 24th Oct 2006 23:12
Wait!
Quote: "that xbox 360 in the corner of the room getting dusty is looking like the major console i'll own for a few years now."

your xbox 360 is getting dusty in a corner?
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Posted: 24th Oct 2006 23:12
This is extremely crappy news, and the timing just couldn't be any worse for Sony. While I abhor the digg style fan-boi Sony bashing that goes on about the PS3, that is because it just happens for the sake of it, not for any real technical / gaming reason. But this just sucks, and really does make me want to avoid Sony as a brand in every possible way. Which stuns me, as I never thought I'd feel like that about a brand, but I genuinely hate the way they are operating right now.

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Posted: 24th Oct 2006 23:13
Quote: "your xbox 360 is getting dusty in a corner?"


Probably because there's nothing worth running on it

*ducks*

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Posted: 24th Oct 2006 23:18
To put it mildly, this news makes me very dissapointed indeed. Usually, I just shrug and move on when a company makes a stupid mistake, but in this case that mistake caused the loss of several people's jobs and a service to probably thousands of customers across the world.

I was going to buy a new telly for my impending Wii arrival - it will not be a Sony one. That's the only token effort I can do, but maybe it'll help.

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Posted: 24th Oct 2006 23:40
I don't like what Sony has done but to be honest... Play-Asia > Lik-Sang, so until they get axed I won't cry.

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Posted: 25th Oct 2006 00:19
All I have to say about this is... goodbye Sony
This is the lastest in a long line of very poor business decisions.

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Posted: 25th Oct 2006 00:36
BURN SONY BURN! That place was awsome

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Posted: 25th Oct 2006 00:51
Wow, Sony's just digging it's own grave, isn't it. I've always kind of disliked Sony, since their stuff is usually only compatiable with their own stuff. Dunno if that still holds true. Honestly, we should boycott them.

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Oh My God!

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Posted: 25th Oct 2006 01:41
I wonder how the Sony Fanboys are going to defend this one...


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Posted: 25th Oct 2006 01:56
* waits for Matt Rock *

Seriously, they will get their just dessert. I read somewhere that Sony is losing so much money with the high cost of developing PS3 hardware, that they will soon be at a price point for purchase by another corp... i.e. Microsoft. Interesting times ahead.

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Posted: 25th Oct 2006 01:59
Quote: "I wonder how the Sony Fanboys are going to defend this one..."


I'm won't, first 3D console I like, played all of the types of games I love, was quite reliable...Now, Sony are gonna end up like Sega, but at least Sega are cool and didn't think 'money money money money money, crush, money money money money CIGAR! Hahaha I've been expecting you Mr Bond, now die! *strokes fluffy cat*'

But I won't side with 360 either, I'm Nintendo and Mac/Windows baby! My next gen consoles of choice, unless the PS3 does prove itself worthy.

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Posted: 25th Oct 2006 02:09
I think the PS3 is going to be an amazing console, with some really serious potential under that hood, just waiting to be unlocked.

What worries me is if Sony can survive long enough to see any of that come to fruition?

To say they'll vanish overnight is a tad naive, they are a colossal organisation, with many fingers in many large money-making pies - the PS3 is not the be-all and end-all of their company, not by a long shot. But even so, the sheer negative press surrounding virtually everything Sony related right now is stunning, the likes of which I've never witnessed before on the net, about any other company - including Microsoft (and that's saying something!)

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Quote: "

I think the PS3 is going to be an amazing console, with some really serious potential under that hood, just waiting to be unlocked.

What worries me is if Sony can survive long enough to see any of that come to fruition?
"


Tell me about it. I'm not impressed with many titles so far... I was for Assassin's Creed but Ubisoft is claiming that the 360 version has smarter AI... plus achievements so I think it's clear which version I'll get. But Lair... that title looks amazing, but I don't think it's quite worth a $500-$600 price point. Devil May Cry 4? Sure it will be fun to play... but the graphics don't look very good... I was expecting more. FFXIII? BLEGH. I can't believe what I've seen so far... it's TOO much of a departure if you ask me...

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Posted: 25th Oct 2006 03:02
Meh... Final Fantasy had its day when it was just Squaresoft, since the merger there really hasn't been anything worth getting worked up over..


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Posted: 25th Oct 2006 03:03
I'd have to agree, sony isn't going to die over night, but I will find it very very ironic if sony gets bought by a rival company.

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I had already reported this in the ps3 imports banned thread as it was directly related to that, but nvm ^^

I was really upset when I heard about this. Liksang were great for hard to find tidbits that asia has to offer but its genuinly quite hard to get in the western side of the planet. Things like the original gp32 games for example.

Don't care if people think its just anti sony hate or whatever (it isnt, I loved my ps2) but sony really have gone too far. It was bad enough with them basically announcing "regardless of price, people will buy the ps3 because its a sony" (i mean, the arrogance!) but now add this to their long line of insults and pah.

The ps3 could of been a nice machine. I don't care much for blue ray, especially with all the faffing around with it sony are doing, and i certainly dont care for the prices (especially when most of it is because of blueray which i dont care for) - but it was a powerful machine with alot of potential. Games coming up like shadow of the colosuss 2 really held my interest. But i'm really begining to wonder if, supposing i decided i could spare the money, could I even buy another sony branded product on principle alone :/

lol, I wonder what the future would be like this very day if the ps1 had been the cd hardware addon for the snes that it was originally intended to be? Was the sony playstation envitable or would we be looking at smiling nintendo right now? If nintendo had gained the position sony did, would they of ended up as arrogant and careless? We'll never know

I really hope they pull their socks up though. I'd like the ps3 to flourish and be good and for Sony not to launch themself off a cliff laughing manically. But right now I really dont know.

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Quote: "I wonder how the Sony Fanboys are going to defend this one..."

(cough)

Lik-Sang broke UK law, copyright laws, and privacy laws... Its a too bad situation.
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Posted: 25th Oct 2006 05:18 Edited at: 25th Oct 2006 05:21
I know some people were waiting for me to defend Sony, but I'm not going to... in fact, I'm pretty much not going to read this thread after I post this because I'm not much in the mood to argue anymore. But I won't defend Sony because, as I've pointed out a few thousand times, I never stick up for companies that crush smaller companies. I think it's hilarious that everyone on here is angry at Sony over what they did, but whenever I say that I'm angry when a company (Wal-Mart, EA, Starbucks, whatever) picks on the little guy everyone and their mothers jumps down my throat

On that note, I won't defend Sony, but I will say this: Lik Sang wasn't being sued just because Sony had a grudge, and if it were Microsoft or Nintendo suing them (and in case any of you forgot, they did in 2002) I'm willing to bet, oh, everything I own on the fact that 90% of you would turn a blind eye. But hey, if you get the chance to bash sony then I guess you've gotta take it while the gettin's good When Nintendo and Microsoft sued them no one said a word. But anyway, as Jeku has said a thousand times in different words, all's fair in business, and while I disagree with that view in every way (for any company, including Sony), it's applicable to this situation, and anyone who agreed with Jeku when he said that should be defending Sony right now... but of course, no one is

And no, this won't annihalate Sony, nor will it really hurt them in any way, and you can take that to the bank. Sony is a really, really, really big company, and Lik Sang is, at best, an obscure little modchip company. Let's compare demographics: How many people know who Sony is? Oh, 2/3rds of the civilized world, got it. Lik Sang? Exactly. Most people (I mean the general consumer public) don't know *anything* about this, and if they did, it wouldn't change anyone's opinion. Unless of course they already hate Sony, and as hard as it might be for some people to face this fact (and yes, it's a FACT): Most people, the general consumer public, love Sony's hardware, and besides you guys, who can blame them And the amount of money Sony is spending on developing the PS3 isn't that much different than what Microsoft spent on the first XBox... consoles cost a lot to develop, all consoles, and somehow this is only mentioned when Sony is making a console. I'm curious as to how much the 360 cost to create as opposed to the Wii and PS3. I wouldn't be surprised if the Wii was the least-expensive, but the 360 and PS3... it's not like either was cheap to make.

Didn't mean that to sound as hostile as I'm sure it did, but ugh, everyone on TGC loves ripping into Sony when they do bad things, and they ignore the fact that other companies have done it a lot... drives me nuts! Anyway, that's all I have to say about it. Sony is wrong, but I've been chastised for saying that before about other companies, so screw it


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Down with sony!!

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Quote: "but ugh, everyone on TGC loves ripping into Sony when they do bad things, and they ignore the fact that other companies have done it a lot... drives me nuts!"


Wow, sounds a lot like when a certain somebody loves ripping into EA when they do bad things, and they ignore the fact that other companies have done it a lot. That drives me nuts too!

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Wow, sounds like someone didn't read my entire post


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Posted: 25th Oct 2006 05:47
Actually I did. You noticed I quoted you from near the bottom of your post

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I've never liked Sony, although I did like the ps1....
I've always liked Nintendo, as I started out as a handheld gamer, and still largely am one.

And while the average consumer doesn't know much about the bad Sony press, you can bet a lot of the consol market does. Word not only travels by the internet, but also by mouth and ear. It's amazing how many people I've seen decide to get a wii instead of a ps3 because of what their friends have told them.

It's really not a hard choice for the casual gamer. And Nintendo is getting tons of good perss in weird places... I was reading popular science magazine when in the main article they mentioned how the Wii was leading the future of gaming and had already completely made the standard controller totally obsolete. They didn't say it, but they made it clear they weren't fans of the ps3 or the 360.

Quote: "I'm pretty much not going to read this thread after I post this because I'm not much in the mood to argue anymore."

You're such a liar.

And while yes, while Nintendo and Microsoft might have done this (I honestly don't know), I bet you they didn't do it while they were drenched in bad press.

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Quote: "if it were Microsoft or Nintendo suing them (and in case any of you forgot, they did in 2002) I'm willing to bet, oh, everything I own on the fact that 90% of you would turn a blind eye"

I agree. To go even further, people would probably support Microsoft or Nintendo for suing. The issue isn't even what people care about, its who is involved.
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I agree with what Matt said, what about when they were sued by Nintendo and Microsoft in 2002? http://www.lik-sang.com/news.php?artc=2707

Also, are people bothering to read articles that aren't on the lik-sang site? Probably not. http://gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=20564

I'm personally going to continue buying Sony hardware, purely because it's reliable and high quality. And they r0x0r.

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But did the M$ - Ninty thing put them out of business?


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Lol.

I really don't care about sony, never have. I will be getting a wii and wont be buying anymore sony products.

I have never liked their consoles, and with all the bull surrounding the games that will be realeased on ps3, I wont be changing anytime soon.

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i seem to recall my local 2nd hand shop selling 3 psp's 2 months before uk release date

anyway there's probably 2 sides to the story.

lik-sang were probably hoping on lots of sales of wii/ps3 imports to keep them afloat, now this has happend they might not have enough money to last. easiest way is to shut shop and end it all.

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Quote: "But did the M$ - Ninty thing put them out of business?"

No, but neither did this. This issue has been going on since last year. And for some reason Lik-Sang thought it was "okay" to only obey laws within the country it operates. Even though they were warned by Sony about this in June of 2005. They fought the battle in Hong Kong but decided to quit because it was "unecessary" to argue about it in the UK. Its retarded, Lik-Sang was wrong about this, no matter how much "bullying" anyone thinks Sony is doing. If they were smart they would have just settled the case and quit selling PSPs to UK residents last year.
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Yeah, Bizar was right, I lied and kept reading. Sue me

@ Jeku: I was trying to illustrate that when I do it, it's evil, but when everyone else does it, it's seemingly okay

@ Saikoro: No, they didn't, but read Ben's second link... apparently neither did Sony

What I never understood is how negatively people react to Sony. At the same time, I kinda get a kick out of it. When the PS1 came out I heard all of these people say "it's the next 3DO." It wasn't and won that round of the console wars. The PS2 came out and all of these people said "Ha! It's overpriced and has new technology that nobody cares about, Sony will die." Most successful console of all time. The same stuff is happening now, and everyone is clammering to get their hands on every tiny shred of negative press they can possibly muster, and the sad part of it is, some people are actually expecting that Sony will fail this round. And who wants to bet against my saying this: When the PS4 is released in a few years, everyone who hates Sony will be trying to prove how it'll inevitably fail. Regardless of the console's game lineup or performance stats or anything else. I'm sorry to say it, but Sony will release the PS3, and people will eat it up, and it pains me to inform those of you who disagree that when it happens, you can rest assured that I'll be here to remind you, with cherry-topped threads with icing and cherries and glee-filled smilies of uncontrollable joy in the hopes that at least one person will say "ouch, you were right"


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^^^ Definition of fanboy. I looked it up. Honest.

*That*, my friend, is the absolute definition. When someone looks to the next nextgen round and predicts a winner.

What's it like, not being able to form your own opinions when you have all the information in front of you? It must suck going by brand name alone--- even in console's volatile lifecycle. One must only look at how Nintendo was top of the game for 2 rounds, and was thrown back to last.

Seriously, and in all honesty, I *never* buy a console until I've seen enough games on that system I want, *regardless* of the brand. I've never said that the PS3 will fail, or that the Wii will be #1. But it's absolutely ridiculous in all meaning of the word if you can't see past the brand name and call a winner not only for this round, but the NEXT. Crazy, really.

What about PS5? PS6? Winners? Haha.

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Posted: 25th Oct 2006 12:11
People were still annoyed that the big three sued Lik-Sang, just read the comments on that news article. (http://www.lik-sang.com/news.php?artc=2707)

By the looks of things Sony had the intention of putting Lik-Sang out of business by suing it in multiple countries with multiple courts etc and that’s why people are pissed at Sony. They didn't have to put them out of business just to get them to remove the Sony products now did they?

Isn't the gaming division within Sony the only division making a profit? And this year its set to make a monumental loss because of the cost of developing the PS3. If/when the PS3 flops, well you can guess the rest...

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Quote: "Isn't the gaming division within Sony the only division making a profit? And this year its set to make a monumental loss because of the cost of developing the PS3. If/when the PS3 flops, well you can guess the rest..."

I said this before, but no one believed me... I never said the ps3 would fail, but I did mention that little tidbit of info. And you forgot to mention what would happen if Blu ray doesn't beat HD DVD...

@Matt, so you don't think it will make a differance at all that the extremely simmilar and much cheaper xbox 360 has been out for a year? Or that the first truely inovative consol in a while is comming out with about as much hype as a consol can possibly get, with a killer lineup? I would be annoyed about the later than expected release date on the Wii, but it being the 19th, I can't really complain.
And I supose you were one of those people who was saying the psp would completely pwn the DS and win over the handheld market? Oh, I remember seeing so many people say that online... I found it hard to believe people were trying to say its inovation was bad... I never understood how people thought it would make it difficult to play. I guess people just don't like using thier imaginations...

And prehaps this is just me, but from your post, it seems you think that if the ps4 was a re-make of the ham sandwhich that cost $600 (unless you got the core version for $500, which would not come with the ham), people would buy it like crazy and it would win the consol war? Cause reading your post makes you sound like you think Sony could sell crystalized sh*t disks and people would buy them like crazy.

...ahem,
I think this issue will get more notice than when it happened with Nintendo and Microsoft, because A, Sony is basicaly getting more negative press atm than any other company on the internet ever, including Microsoft, and B, because this time Lik-Sang is closing its doors and it looks a heck of a lot to people like it's Sony's fault.

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well i haven't read up on the full facts of it, but from what I gather sony sued lik sang for selling units to the uk before sony released the uk versions, and this pissed sony off cause sony would lose out on sales at launch? Why would they be able to get away with sayign ps3 world launch when it's only launched in two countries? isn't that misleading? And they wouldn't sue a guy who bought the ps3 in november if he then moved to australia before March, (or would they) and that is technically what lik sang as an exporter do, they buy goods in one country then sell them to another. They don't steal the ps3 then sell it, so what is it that they did that was illegal other than make it easier for people to buy overseas?

i forgot to mention I did my bit in boycotting sony, i was meeting an exec at sony entertainment offices in melbourne today, i came in my "i scored with the princess" t-shirt and nes controller belt buckle. no one cared, it was really a tiny office compared to the bmg one next door..

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Posted: 25th Oct 2006 14:45
I think the general hatred against Sony is caused by their own continuing arrogance. Yes, they're a big company, that doesnt give them a reason to take the p*ss. 600 quid for a console? My ass, just cos they decided they want to use their own format YET AGAIN (Betamax, UMD) which will, going by previous attempts, fail, and which also costs more than the alternative (HD-DVD).
Claiming people will buy it just because it's Sony doesn't help. Also, putting Europe on the backburner, making the total delay a year, AND over-pricing their console here. And thats where the whole Lik-Sang thing comes into it. They're importing consoles, releasing them here at the same time as the rest of the world, at the same price. The difference? Sony makes less of a profit here because they only get the same amount from it as they would elsewhere, rather than the extortionate prices they charge.
Sure Lik-Sang was out of line, but not a lot more than Sony

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Posted: 25th Oct 2006 15:45
Actually BluRay is far better than HD-DVD.
Single Layer BluRay can hold 25GB and access at ~150MB/s where-as a Dual Layer HD-DVD can hold 25GB and access at 66MB/s

BluRay also have Dual available (total 50GB space) with Sony developing a Quad Layer disc that the Playstation 3 and other currently available BluRay devices will be able to run. They're hoping to get a disc that can hold up to 80GB of data without data-loss, which presently only Panasonic's DVD-RAM is capable of doing.

There's really no question that BluRay is a better technology, like there was no real question about BetaMax being better than VHS. Thing of it is, no one cares about the technology itself... only price and availability. This is where Sony ALWAYS falls short.

Well anyways let's put aside the actual technology for a second and get back to the actual argument, for which I'm going to copy/quote a post I made in another forum to really explain the situation far better.

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The real reason they've done this (official reason being "the EU and UK have strict safety guidelines", bet that makes everyone else feel safe) is because the PSP here will set you back around £150 for a new machine; from Lik Sang costs $199 (~£105) and from the states (Electronics Boutique) $199 (~£105) ... basically Sony are missing out on around £45 (~$85) per unit.

That's all this boils down to, the money.
Sony have recently released an update for the PSP that while correcting a number of issues with their retail games has stopped homebrew game development dead. Why? Well homebrew developers aren't covered by the warrenty and aren't officially supported by Sony, as such could cause un-due harm not covered by their iron-clad warrenty. Atleast that's the official reason.

Unofficially speaking, a developer license for the PSP is worth $45,000 per title to Sony. Although I'm sure their offices would be very quick to tell you it's about the best interests of their customers, not the financial gains.
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Add to this that Sony are trying to get the Playstation 3 put through as a Computer rather than Entertainment Media. Making it VAT exempt in the EU.

So let's check this out further shall we.
The Playstation 3 is set to ship for $599 in the US, in the EU for €599 ($640) so even from the get go, that's $40 over the retail price to the rest of the world.

Now add the fact that they *could* be VAT exempt (17.5%) this is an extra $110 saving. On top of this in the UK the units will be selling for £425 ($680) meaning you can add an extra $40 + 17.5%.

So by having Japanese or United States units being imported into the EU (particularly UK), Sony could potencially be loosing $80-160 (£45-85) per unit.

Honestly does anyone believe this is about EU/UK Safety guidelines?
Do you think they are completely thinking about our well being and the end-user experience?

I sodding well don't.

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Posted: 25th Oct 2006 15:57
No offence dude, but zenicanin14 from Bosnia? If anyone paid any tiny bit of attention they would've seen his ISP was from England >_<

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Posted: 25th Oct 2006 16:16
"bosnia, England" - says the person posting from a verizon ISP account. Whatever. Noob slapped for a few weeks because I don't like the way this is headed, especially given your other posts elsewhere.

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Posted: 25th Oct 2006 23:03
Whether or not it was actually Sony's fault, they definately didn't time their law suit right. Of course, it is all about the money for them anyways. I still stand by the fact that Nintendo and Microsoft are doing a better job than Sony. They've become a brand-name company, where everyone sees the sony label and assumes that it's the best there is. Not saying that sony doesn't succeed in some of their industries, but to say that the PS3 will win the "console war" is foolish.

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Posted: 26th Oct 2006 00:28
Quote: " Actually BluRay is far better than HD-DVD.
Single Layer BluRay can hold 25GB and access at ~150MB/s where-as a Dual Layer HD-DVD can hold 25GB and access at 66MB/s

BluRay also have Dual available (total 50GB space) with Sony developing a Quad Layer disc that the Playstation 3 and other currently available BluRay devices will be able to run. They're hoping to get a disc that can hold up to 80GB of data without data-loss, which presently only Panasonic's DVD-RAM is capable of doing."


All this will be meaningless unless someone significant actually uses the format (a.k.a the movie industry)

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Posted: 26th Oct 2006 00:29
I don't know why Sony is pushing the BluRay aspect so hard. If it's as good a BluRay player as the PS2 is a DVD player, they're screwed.

If I was in charge of Microsoft advertising I would produce an advert shown all over Europe that went something like this:

- Black on white, massive letters, "GTA 4 - on 360 first"
- Video of Gears of War "only on 360"
- Video of Assasin's Creed "better on 360"
- Video of Mass Effect "only on 360"
- Video of Bioshock "only on 360"
- Video of Alan Wake "only on 360"
- Video of every other next gen game Army of Two etc. "also on 360"
- "ALL VIDEOS IN GAME"
- Then a picture of a pile of 100 pound coins

Done.

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Posted: 26th Oct 2006 00:31
Quote: "- Video of Alan Wake "only on 360""


Its for Windows Vista as well

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