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Rudolpho
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Posted: 1st Nov 2006 11:30
I think I read a post about this somewhere around here a while ago, however I can't find it now....

Anyways, the thing is that something is launching IE processes on my computer which takes up a great deal of ram; also, if you kill 1 IE process, 2 new are launched.

Surely, this must be something malicious, since I doubt that IE should by default be 'unkillable'?

So, anybody know of any fixes?

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Nicholas Thompson
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Posted: 1st Nov 2006 11:51
is it iexplore.exe or explorer.exe?

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Rudolpho
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Posted: 1st Nov 2006 11:56
iexplore.exe (the other one has nothing to do with ie, right? ':b)

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indi
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Posted: 1st Nov 2006 12:07
stop using IE after this problem has been fixed and install firefox.


download and install

Spybot search n destroy
add sd helper and tea timer if you continue to use IE.
turn on advanced mode and activate the hosts file twice.
run and remove any spyware it finds

adaware
run and remove any spyware it finds

hijack this
show us the log

Rudolpho
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Posted: 1st Nov 2006 12:45
@Indi: Actually, I haven't used IE in about 2 years, however it doesn't seem possible to uninstall

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indi
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Posted: 1st Nov 2006 13:02
I never mentioned uninstalling it, i just stated not to use it, however if you follow those application installs above we can see at a glance most of your system and probably the problem at hand.

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Posted: 1st Nov 2006 13:10
I see.... sry, thought it was one of theese usual jokes around here because of the mention of 'tea timer'... didn't sound too serious

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indi
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Posted: 1st Nov 2006 15:56
good luck, the advice was clean. my hands are washed of the matter now.

Grandma
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Posted: 1st Nov 2006 16:13
Well, there IS a way to "uninstall" it. If you have XP just locate the "Internet Explorer" folder inside "Program files" and delete it and pull the plug, be quick tough because if you don't turn the power off fast enough then IE will restore itself.

Worked like a charm with my comp, did not work on my buddies though he claimed (it restored itself after next reboot), but then again he can never do anything right.

After i successfully removed everything that CAN be removed of IE and switched to Opera. The monthly spyware count seemed to decrease roughly 90%.

That made me a happy person.

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Nicholas Thompson
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Posted: 1st Nov 2006 16:29
Quote: "If you have XP just locate the "Internet Explorer" folder inside "Program files" and delete it and pull the plug, be quick tough because if you don't turn the power off fast enough then IE will restore itself."


That is probably some of the worst advice I've ever heard... Anywhere!

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Grandma
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Posted: 1st Nov 2006 16:33
Quote: "That is probably some of the worst advice I've ever heard... Anywhere!"




If it works, how can it be bad?

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Benjamin
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Posted: 1st Nov 2006 16:45
Never ever try to uninstall IE, there are some applications that require its components.

Tempest - P2P UDP Multiplayer Plugin (DBP/DBCe)
Download the free version
Grandma
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Posted: 1st Nov 2006 16:53
That may be, but i've been without IE for almost a year now. Haven't really come across any problem with that. Other than that the bad thing about removing it would be the need for pulling the cord out wich some PC's don't find particulary healthy at times.

Alternatively if you don't like the pull cord option you could always delete it from a second OS if possible or delete it from DOS. Should work aswell.

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indi
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Posted: 1st Nov 2006 17:03 Edited at: 1st Nov 2006 17:05
grandma, that method is pure noobsmack at its finest. your going to destroy your machine with hacks like that.

there are methods for doing it properly if something is wrong,
and in the long run you should just avoid using it.



IE5
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/217344

IE6
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/293907

and there are disadvantages to doing this.

http://www.stopie.com/removingie/

from the above link.
Many web sites are programmed to work only with Internet Explorer. For example, webmasters authoring a site may have not tested with other web browsers. Some webmasters may not be familiar with WC3 standards or taken the time to program their site so it is universally acceptable by all browsers. Probably 95% of all websites on the Internet should work with Mozilla browsers, but there it a site is not compatible it may appear distorted or inaccessible unless IE is used as a browser.
Windows Update (WU) requires Internet Explorer. As an alternative, you may be able to manually download security updates, but it will require more monitoring and work than letting WU handle this for you.
Some Anti-Virus Products require IE for updates. Live updates or automatic DAT updates used by both Norton and McAfee are built on Internet Explorer's foundation. You may be able to manually update your virus signature files but it could require more work.
Both removing and restoring IE is risky and difficult. IE is complex with extensive hooks built into Windows, for efficiency and functionality. Thus unplugging it from your system may impact Internet connectivity, Windows functionality, and break functionality in Microsoft Office and non-MS products.
IE is more than a browser, it is the foundation for Internet functionality in Windows. If you compare the install base for Internet Explorer 6 (43.5MB) to Firefox (4.5MB), it provides an indication IE is more than just a browser.

Grandma
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Posted: 1st Nov 2006 17:19 Edited at: 1st Nov 2006 17:20
@ indi

I fail to see how it would destroy my machine? Or if it is a hack at all.

First off all you can never get totally rid of IE, i can still open up IE on my comp simply by opening a folder and type an internet adress at the path thingy. I can see the problem when concerning Office and anti-virus apps, since i don't use that it hasn't affected me though.

I'm finished with school now, but the teacher i had basically ordered everyone to remove IE. I trust him as he's been using computers since......well punch cards, and loves his computer more then his wife it seems.

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Nicholas Thompson
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Posted: 1st Nov 2006 17:55
Quote: "First off all you can never get totally rid of IE, i can still open up IE on my comp simply by opening a folder and type an internet adress at the path thingy"

So your little idea of deleteing it and pulling the plug clearly didnt work!

You are incredibly lucky to still have a filesystem. Pulling the plug while deleting (let alone accessing) can cause all kinds of crap! The Filetable is a fragile thing at the best of times.

Quote: "I trust him as he's been using computers since......well punch cards"

Thats not always the best reason to trust someone in IT - in fact, it can often work against you. For all you know he might be basing his opinion on information from the punchcard days! I'm sure he's not - but the fact he told you to REMOVE IE implies he doesn't really know what he's talking about seeing as you cant remove it - unless you've misquoted him.

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Posted: 1st Nov 2006 18:03
Quote: "First off all you can never get totally rid of IE, i can still open up IE on my comp simply by opening a folder and type an internet adress at the path thingy. I can see the problem when concerning Office and anti-virus apps, since i don't use that it hasn't affected me though.
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As Nicholas T. said, your idea has not worked if you can still do this.

You realise that IE6 is simply replaced by a copy from C:\window\system32\dllcache if you remove it right?

It automatically replaces it upon deletion.

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Posted: 1st Nov 2006 18:08 Edited at: 1st Nov 2006 18:14
@ Nicholas Thompson

Quote: "So your little idea of deleteing it and pulling the plug clearly didnt work!"


Again this smily fits well

IE is only a threat if infected with various spyware, the file that gets infected is IExplore.exe (the one i deleted). The part of IE you can't delete can be reached from explorer's path bar, get it now?

btw, i didn't pull the plug when my computer was deleting it, i waited till he was done doing so and after shutting down all apps i could so the risk would be minimal.

About the teacher thing; he DID mentioned we can't remove IE completely.

Now will you stop with these attacks and rather discuss like an adult?


Edit: @ David R

I don't know if i have a screwed OS or if it is my skills, IE did not come back.

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David R
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Posted: 1st Nov 2006 18:10
Quote: "IE is only a threat if infected with various spyware, the file that gets infected is IExplore.exe (the one i deleted), get it now?"


You wouldn't of removed it if you haven't removed it from the dllcache. It will simply reappear, as I said

Nicholas Thompson
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Posted: 1st Nov 2006 19:24
Quote: "Now will you stop with these attacks and rather discuss like an adult?"

I appologise - I am sometimes a little sarcy

But the point still remains. Even switching the PC off whilest it is not shut down still has quite a risk of damaging the Filesystem (although you accept that by admitting "the risk would be minimal").

Personally, I'd never go as far as deleting software which is integral to windows, let alone "pulling the plug" at a point where windows is likely to be recovering from someone deleting a core application.

I can see the logic for what you're doing - but there must be cleaner and less risky ways of doing it and I certainly question the sanity of anyone who does anything like that on the grounds the "Grandma" said so (thats nothing personal against you!).

Another thing to bear in mind is that IE actually doesn't get infected by Spyware unless you visit a site that gives you spyware OR you install something yourself that infects it. The only reason browsers like FF or Opera dont get effects so much are:
1) Far fewer people use them (last I heard, its something like a 70-30 split of IE:non-IE ). Therefore if you're gonna make malware then make it effect the majority.
2) FF (and Opera? I dont know) dont natively support ActiveX which is one method spyware uses to get in.

I've always believed there is no protection against a stupid user. You can put as many firewalls, virus checkeds and spam filters on a machine as you like - but if they chose to click that flashing button which claims to increase their "potential", then there is bugger all you can do about it (IE or not!)

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Posted: 1st Nov 2006 19:45
@ Nicholas Thompson

There you go!

I understand it might not be a good idea to remove IE. It seems people here took me a little to serious as it wasn't intended to be an "advice" at all, but rather a comment based on the fact that someone said it couldn't be done. I truly regret mentioning it.

Your second last paragraph was offending as it kinda implies i didn't know that.

Your last paragraph is gold though. I stand by the same philosophy, altough stupid and inexperienced are two different things, the result may be the same.

Ok then, that's settled, must get back to doing nothing now.

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Posted: 1st Nov 2006 20:51
Quote: "altough stupid and inexperienced are two different things"

Agreed - although surely Common Sense is a kind of layer that sits above and over both of those to catch things missed by those. For example, a person might be a complete idiot academically (making them stupid) and they may never have used the internet before, however they might have good common sense which should (in theory) catch their thoughts before they "press the button".

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Posted: 2nd Nov 2006 00:42
You know what? After re-reading my post for spelling mistakes i thought about just that; "Hmmmm what about common sense?.....oh well hickeydooey".

Yeah, it must get kinda suspicius when you are the "1 billionth visitor to this website!" like every time you go to the site, or you win something from a "contest" you never agreed to participate in the first place. There should be a law against adverts like that.

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Posted: 2nd Nov 2006 01:28
Your advice from now on is marked with danger grandma, clearly some of us are from the punch card days as well, you base things on assumption and that my friend is danger with computers.

good luck, if we see a "help me fix my computer" from you as its happened with countless people prior then im going to laugh at you with a haughty but fair voice.

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Posted: 2nd Nov 2006 01:37 Edited at: 2nd Nov 2006 01:41
@ indi

Quote: "you base things on assumption"


Nope sorry.

Quote: "good luck, if we see a "help me fix my computer" from you as its happened with countless people prior then im going to laugh at you with a haughty but fair voice."


Haha don't worry about that, dusins of people deliver their computer for me to fix, i'm the fameous expert here. My motto is "If i can't fix it, it's broken byond repair".

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Definately get FireFox if u value ur life

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Nicholas Thompson
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Posted: 2nd Nov 2006 11:11
Quote: "My motto is "If i can't fix it, it's broken byond repair""

What a healthy ego!

Quote: "Definately get FireFox if u value ur life"

Is that a threat?

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Posted: 2nd Nov 2006 11:45
Quote: "What a healthy ego!"

I suck at many things so i need my area of expertice just like everyone else

You have to admit though, the risk of developing an ego like this if you live in an small village area where people know just as much about computers as various birds know about utilizing nuclear fission IS above average.

Quote: "Is that a threat?"

I think it was.

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indi
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Posted: 2nd Nov 2006 11:51
I like the cut of your jib.
i dont respect your 1337 skillzors with windas tho m8.

my relos from my dads side are norwegian. i think the town is called stravanger somewhere down the bottom of your country.

love to see it one day.

Grandma
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Posted: 2nd Nov 2006 12:31 Edited at: 2nd Nov 2006 12:37
Stavanger yes, it's actually become a small city now. I've never been there actually, but according to wikipedia it looks rather cosy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stavanger

This is the small crappy place i live
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voss
Well, in winter times it's a fun place. We usually get our fair amount of snow to go ski on.

As i was cruising wikipedia i checked out brisbane, nice looking city that.

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indi
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Im here on contract, i usually live in sydney mate. people call this place briz vegas. its not a very good city for nightlife and obscure hobbies etc.. more mainstream nonsense, however there is 17 game companies up here im courting

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Posted: 2nd Nov 2006 18:12
17........Nice, there's only one game company around here and that's Funcom (the guys behind Anarchy Online, Dreamfall, Longest Journey and others including MMORPG soon to come Age of conan: hyborian adventures)

Would like to join them someday

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Posted: 2nd Nov 2006 20:57
I didn't read all the posts here, but from the original question, this has happened to me and I just backed up all my important files and then re-installed windows.

I'm such a n00b (Dbpro Guy is my older bro btw!!!)

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